Quote from: Sputnik on June 20, 2014, 01:41:06 PM
System or method, same thing.
Guessing or feeling and mechanical system/method, same thing.
If you can not out guess 50/50 then is no better then mechanical methods/systems.

I have no trouble guessing at 100% , until the first loss. What's truly funny to me is that you don't  know why. Perhaps someone will feel sorry for you and clue you in.

.A system  no, a method yes.

Quote from: warrior on June 16, 2014, 03:44:04 PM
Ok here how would you bet this?
Hhn nhh hhn nhh nnh hhn hnn hnh hnh nhh hhn hhn nhn nhn hhn hhh hnn nnn  hnh hhh hnn hnn

if "h" was a single dozen then I would play the stretch as a dominance. If it was an EC, then "h" has a slight advantage. Again, played as a dominance . It would be much easier to see patterns if it were in my charting form.

Quote from: Garnabby on June 16, 2014, 03:30:47 PM
N=2 is one way, but only when you're guesses don't directly involve the outcomes (of P-B, R-B, etc.)

There is one interesting exception which I know of, but otherwise, Spike was quite right.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.  Some see a bag of gold nuggets, while others see absolutely nothing.  I thought Spike seeing nothing was so revealing. Spike tried to convince everyone that I was just trying to learn his secrets. I'm not too interested in blind techniques of imaginative deficient players.

Quote from: warrior on June 16, 2014, 03:21:26 PM
Bet selection is what exactly to elegant paterns?

Bet the pattern.

Keep your Matrix formed charts and topics off this thread and out of my blog. I'm a craftsman of visual dexterity . My form of charting allows me to see many forms of characteristics of trends in just a few seconds. Matrix charts are almost completely worthless to me. They require close scrutiny to reason them out. There is no way to expose the global effect with them in under two seconds. After using them my head feels like I have been doing taxes all day. So please start your own discussion on the Roulette board or in the General Discussion area. Thank You.

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Quote from: BEAT-THE-WHEEL on June 16, 2014, 02:16:50 PM
XXVV,
HERE your 21 numbers.

Here are 21 numbers taken from a recent live game and following is matrix that can be applied as tool for analysis.

BET STRATEGY=matrix3
BET 1st &2nd  ,
or bet the un hit, if 1st   same to 2nd  .

28H,25H,6L .....BET L&M=HIT!
16M,27H,19M  .....BET M&H=HIT!
17M,11L,31H  .....BET &=LOSE
10L,27H,25H .....BET L&H=HIT!
28H,14M,29H   .....BET H&M=HIT!
27H,36H,23M   .....BET M&L=HIT!
22M,0

Mike. Where is your work? Where is your research? You want answers? You have been given an invaluable bit of information. Capitalizing on a perfect recurring pattern was not on your radar screen. You figure out the stats. Get somebody that has a desire to create useless data so that you will be prepared to exploit these occurrences. As it stands right now, it looks like you will let opportunity slip by you.

I find it the most interesting point of interest on these forums. Most people don't have a clue how to get past the first bet while attempting to use any form of a trend as a bet selection method, in other words, guessing. They claim I won't share and therefore it's all baloney. The biggest complainers tend to be the most demanding and needy among us all. They just want a simple mindless form of rules that will give them a trip free ATM kind of life. Never mind developing skills as a craftsman.

Quote from: greenguy on June 16, 2014, 08:19:05 AM

Hmmm, I just read that thread. As useless as tits on a bull.

See what I mean. That thread was my first attempt to share the existence of perfect, long lasting patterns. Funny how people that can't see them have expert opinions on how the don't or can't  exist. The topic that started this more recent discussion is about taking advantage of rare occurrences. How is it possible that you have never seen a perfect recurring  pattern?

Spike has no use for perfect patterns. From where I'm standing that's not so smart. Perhaps I should check for the context of his remark. Thanks for also including the link.

It's  always been my advice that educated guessing produces an effectiveness layer. There is no way to refute that, Not even Spike's wisdom. You see he also says that you have to guess more right than wrong. Well that's a wL list if I ever saw one.

Quote from: Garnabby on June 15, 2014, 06:45:12 PM
P.S.  If three grand is all that you made on that one, then YOU GOT RIPPED OFF!

It was my first one. I had never taken a huge chance before. I started out all in and kept everything in for the first nine spins. After that I started keeping winnings. My first loss was a $500 bet. I walked away after the first loss. I agree with you though. I could have done better.

Quote from: Mike on June 15, 2014, 06:54:00 PM
Gizmo, so an elegant pattern is one which continues for.... how many spins?
How many elegant patterns are possible? what is the smallest pattern you can identify as a potentially elegant one?

20 to 30, as I said.

There's no handbook for pattern recognition. If you see a perfect occurring pattern, what does it matter what form it has taken? Consider it a bag of gold to ignore.  Take a Math pill and drink it down with the coolaid. I suppose you need instruction   on how to bet one too. You are lucky I'm talking to you. You are like the side kick to spandex boy.

Quote from: Garnabby on June 15, 2014, 06:45:12 PM

That would be one in a trillion?  Guessing.

The topic of the thread was something about taking advantage of rare events. That pattern occurred back in 1993. At the time of my first posting I had only experienced one other perfect pattern. In the last seven years I have experienced three more. All three of the most recent ones happened from a set of groupings I call the tens. You can easily see them by looking at any standard marquee attached to a Roulette table.

Quote from: warrior on June 15, 2014, 06:04:00 PM
Show me what it would like please.

On the American wheel I have these twelve numbers: 0, 00, 1, 2, 5, 6, 17, 18, 27, 28, 31, and 32.

H - means that one of these 12 numbers hit.
n - means one of these 12 numbers did not hit.

This is what happened:

HHn HHn HHn HHn HHn HHn HHn HHn HHn HHn HHn HHn

I made over $3,000 in half an hour. I started with $60.

Quote from: NathanDetroit on June 15, 2014, 06:20:18 PM
Taking  x as the dominant would that be a an example of an elegant pattern ?


X O X X  O X

That would not be.

An Elegant Pattern is a perfect repeating pattern that continues to hit perfectly for from 20 to 30 consecutive spins.