Thank you for successfully illustrating the side of the loyal opposition so candidly. My favorite part is both of you ignoring my example and/or being ignorant of it altogether.  I guess being an actual math oriented fundamentalist is actually very easy. I'm still waiting for the all mighty of all mantra "past results can't predict future events."

Quote from: Xander on June 10, 2014, 05:42:55 PM
So what you're saying is that all of the experts and mathematicians are wrong, but you're correct?  Do you by chance have any "elegant" math that you can show us to back up your wild claims?  Or do you still require people to pay for your "elegant" tutoring?

Guys, "reading randomness" is an oxymoron.  You can't read random, because it's just that, random! There are no "elegant patterns" that can be exploited.

-Xander

I have exploited five perfect patterns in the last 20 years. This is from the first one:

.324 x .324 x .675 x .324 x .324 x .675 x .324 x .324 x .675 x .324 x .324 x .675

This pattern occurred for 36 perfectly symmetrical spins in a row.IF YOU REALLY NEED THE RESULTS I'll have to use my laptop. It's basic distribution arithmetic. That's mathematical proof that a basic pattern can continue to repeat.

Quote from: Xander on June 10, 2014, 05:39:39 PM
Most intelligent posters would be more impressed if your were to post some "elegant" math to support your "elegant" patterns. [smiley]aes/erm.png[/smiley]

.324 x .324 x .675 x .324 x .324  x .675 x .324 x .324  x .675 x .324 x .324 x .675

This pattern occurred for 36 perfectly symmetrical spins in a row. IF YOU REALLY NEED THE RESULTS I'll have to use my laptop. It's  basic distribution arithmetic. That's mathematical proof that a basic pattern can continue to repeat.

Like I said, there are those that are stuck on the math. This: 1/37, this has all of them fixated like a deer in the headlights.

Why are math oriented people discussing at a forum about bet selection. Something does not add up.

Quote from: Xander on June 10, 2014, 05:39:39 PM
Most intelligent posters would be more impressed if your were to post some "elegant" math to support your "elegant" patterns. [smiley]aes/erm.png[/smiley]

Impressive.

Quote from: wannawin on June 10, 2014, 03:30:43 PM
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My first discussion regarding elegant patterns.

http://www.gamblersglen.com/cgi-bin/teemz/teemz.cgi?board=_master&action=opentopic&topic=7309&forum=Roulette_Message_Board

Quote from: Mike on June 10, 2014, 05:44:37 AM
He is right, though, in saying that there's no way of exploiting rare events, and there's no way of "reading" randomness either. The very idea is an oxymoron. How is it possible to predict the unpredictable? which is what random outcomes are.

There that same mistake is. It never fails. Someone always thinks that reading randomness is a claim of predicting future outcomes. It's  actually a process of confirming continuing situations. It has nothing to do with fallacy or prediction.

What's troubling is having to deal with people that can't understand it. Further more they get up on their high horses about this "straw man" argument. Well this might sound very odd to you Mike, but your argument is undeniable. There are very few people that would disagree with you around here. There's one big problem though, you don't know what reading randomness is for and how it is used for bet selection.

Mathematical fundamentalism and probability can't predict when a win streak will occur and how long it will last. Those are two things that happen every day, and they do this without any need for prediction to make them happen.

QuoteHow do you identify there was a winning pattern. Do you see such series occuring three or four times in a row and then flat bet? What is the trigger to say it is a winning pattern?

This is what I do. I recognize  a pattern. I wait one spin to see if it continues. In the EC bets I place one bet that fits the pattern. If it wins then I ride it until the first loss. Now the odds are that I will lose 50% of all trys, in the long term. But 50% of the time I have a chance of hitting a win streak. That's balanced with the fact that only half the wins will end with only one win. But the rest  of the streaks are all wins.

In my example, this was not a perfect pattern. So that cut down on the opportunity. You can use any pattern selection method you like. What you are looking for is any continuing situation. All you do is make small risks on things that are continuing to work. If you lose a bet then that usually means the pattern is over.

Quote from: Leapyfrog on June 09, 2014, 03:47:59 PM
"Answer this? Do you see the absence of singles or the occurrences of only one single after every color change in this stretch of spins?"
Yes and a loud YES.

Thank you. That puts you in the camp that sees patterns in the EC's. By the way, that pattern occurred last night at the casino. I had no trouble exploiting it. It only takes one flat bet to try. The winning pattern was after every color change there was two more of the same color. I placed bets after each color change, only one for each change. I won four times before losing once. That's when the pattern dissipated.

Quote from: Leapyfrog on June 09, 2014, 03:28:24 PM
Gizmo the answer is a no brainer and you know the answer you will get. This is a fact.

But the question is what do you derive from this fact.

The only fact I see is that you didn't answer my question, one that was never directed at you, I might add. You then proceded to offer up a "red herring" by asking another question. You need to get your answers from somewhere else. I'll  continue to get my answers my way.

Quote from: Xander on June 09, 2014, 06:24:39 AM
I have a question:  Do these elegant patterns ebb and flow?  [smiley]aes/wine.png[/smiley][smiley]aes/wine.png[/smiley][smiley]aes/wine.png[/smiley]

Sorry, but the facts are not "elegant", and they do not "ebb and flow".  Flamboyant terms and made up jargon is amusing at best and will not dazzle anyone. There are no patterns in the ECs that you can exploit, since you have no way of knowing whether a trend is likely to continue or end.  -Xander

Answer this? Do you see the absence of singles or the occurrences of only one single after every color change in this stretch of spins?

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Quote from: Xander on June 08, 2014, 11:16:31 PM
There are no exploitable patterns in ECs.  I simply used the word "patterns" to describe all of the possible outcomes.
There's no way of knowing whether a pattern will likely continue or end.  To believe otherwise is part of the gambler's fallacy.

-Xander

There must be a fallacy for fundamentalism of not knowing the future. Even worse is preaching the never ending mantra. Get this: you don't need to see the future in order to take advantage of it. You also don't need the inability to see the future from preventing you from taking advantage of coincidence.  But you can't see it. That's because of your stubborn opinion.

Not seeing into the future does not prevent Elegant Patterns from occurring. And fundamentalism does not enlighten anyone but the easily impressed. So please ignore my comments if they differ from any beliefs that you might find too ignorant.

I have spoken about extremes that are few and far between. The discussions occur under the topic "Elegant Patterns."  A sequence of spins can form into perfect repeating patterns. I've discovered them in the dozens. That's any dozen. You can make up your own. What happens is that the same dozen keeps hitting either in a streak or in the same repeating pattern. It's  not just a dominance, but a perfect sequence without error. At times like these you can place bets as if you know future outcomes. Now mathematically there is nothing to prevent them from occurring. There are no figures published that say when they will occur or for how long they will last. It takes a craftsman to see and exploit them.

For many years I have been criticised for suggesting their existence. What I find far more interesting is that nobody else has reported exploiting them or even having seen one of them. A common one is the same dozen sleeping for more than thirty spins in a row. The more rare is a same dozen hitting in a perfect sequence as a pattern of some kind. You will never see anything if you are not looking.

Seeing opportunities comes from instant recognition due to visual dexterity  caused from viewing properly illustrated spin results, charts.

Who's to say that the RTM should take over quickly. I once observed a single dozen almost perfectly sleep on four tables, all in the same area of the casino, for more than four and a half hours. It was one of two events that convinced me to study the true anomalies of randomness with regards to Roulette.

Roulette methods do not have to depend on the results of a single independent trial. The tactic for a session can be the culmination of a number of continuous or interrupted spins. A good example would be getting more reds than (blacks & greens) in a sequence of spins. Just about everyone knows that I seek sleeping dozens, like prospecting for gold nuggets. They are everywhere. You just need to work to find them.