Quote from: weddings on May 30, 2013, 12:37:31 AM
don't you get connection error gramp? That's what stopping me to play there.

I do But not often to stop me playing.

I started playing BV for posting the videos. Its not bad huh! Slowly getting the hang of it and nice way to play out of hours when the casinos are shut or to add some spice to your playing life.

For the last 10 days up 106EUR playing 0.05 chips. Not bad a return I guess. Is it always like that? Seems to be fair play!

OK! The reason I started was to figure out if there is a better way of understanding when to stop, other than going for a percentage loss/gain or a set number of spins. Seems like, there is none.

Now, I wanted to share a method that I have been adopting for some  of my sessions. It is based on standard deviation of your bankroll. Anyone following/adopting such a thing. If not, I will share the way I am doing it and will look for feedback on how to improvise it.

Gramps!

Ignatus mate!

Can you post the next 2 sets of 50 spins?

Cheers
Gramps

Quote from: Chrisbis on May 29, 2013, 02:29:07 PM
I think its something to do with the number of loses in a row, because, as you may notice, he never goes above 6+6 progression.

That's because in the spin data that I have posted so far, it never crosses 6+6. I will give away that it is a 10 step progression
Also, as I mentioned, forget the slow down. I realized it will confuse things, that's why I posted two sets of spins with numbers. I guess enough clues to get you guys going

Quote from: Chrisbis on May 29, 2013, 02:29:07 PM
I still think the puzzle is not solved .

You are absolutely right I don't think its solved yet.

But I admire the efforts put by you guys.

@Atlantis - Well done. However, there is no error in recording, as you have guessed. Also, I am ready to give the prize away if the method that you have described which worked for the 2nd set of spins, works also on the first set of spins. Can you apply and figure out whether it is working the same way. If the method works consistently on both set of spins, I give away the prize money eventhough it is not matching my framework, as there are always multiple solutions to the same problem Fair?


Now coming to another free clue, eventhough this is different from the 123 framework, there is an element in 123, that is being used here. It is pertaining to selection on DBL/FTL etc.

happy times!
Gramps!

Great chart Chris. Happy hunting One more clue, just forget slow down at 40 at the moment. Even if you don't get it, I will give it to anyone. Just focus on the last set of spin data that I provided(70 spins) and the spin data that I am going to post now (40 spins). That will avoid the confusion. Forget the 53 spin data from video, as there is a complex MM at the end which will confuse things.

Go crack the "race to 50" and race yourselves to a 50!

[reveal=40 spins, +50 units]
Spin           Bet placed     BR
11                            0
1              2              1
8              2              2
11              2              6
6              2              7
31              2              5
23              4              1
22              6              -5
5              8              -13
13              10              7
18              2              8
15              2              12
21              2              16
34              2              14
23              4              16
2              2              17
33              2              15
35              4              17
31              2              18
35              2              19
12              2              17
35              4              25
23              2              26
19              2              27
25              2              28
32              2              29
31              2              30
2              2              28
4              4              30
34              2              31
13              2              32
19              2              36
3              2              34
13              4              42
10              2              43
32              2              41
4              4              49
23              2              47
16              4              49
19              2              53
[/reveal]

Quote from: Bayes on May 28, 2013, 09:46:34 AM
It may not be enough to guarantee you'll win flat betting, but it's certainly enough to come out with a profit using smart MM.

Toughest nut to crack

8Ignatus,

I have attached the excel with my approach. It is pretty straightforward if you are able to follow the instructions that I have marked in yellow.

I have also played your 50 spins, and unfortunately I couldn't show the play when the tables turns against you as it was an easy session. Perhaps out of the second and third set of 50 spins, may be one of them turns out to be difficult so that I can show how we can recover from 1 or 2 losses.

As you can see, I have played 50 spins and came out with +119u as the final outcome. Slow and steady !

Perhaps, either you can play the 2nd and 3rd set and post it here or if you can share, I can play and post it here. Your choice! I prefer you doing it, so that we can see whether you are able to follow and understand what I have stated as rules.

- Gramps

OK. As promised, the spins. Unfortunately, I lost the file that contained the spins for the video. So, I have decided to play "race to 50" again. Following is the spin data with the numbers that came up, the units bet and the bank roll position.


As I have told, the prize money remains at 50 EUR. But one small correction, anyone with the correct guess on the method will get 30EUR prize money and the rest which is 20EUR will go to Vic as a sponsorship to keep the forum going. Hope all in agreement and help get Vic get some sponsorship, while raking some money on their own


[reveal=Spin data here. 50 units from 70 spins]
Spin    Units   Bankroll
11          0          0
12          2          1
28          2          -1
2          4          1
35          2          2
19          2          0
10          4          -4
22          6          -10
33          8          -18
21          10          2
1          2          0
10          4          -4
23          6          -1
16          5          9
13          2          13
33          2          11
9          4          7
5          6          1
19          8          -7
22          10         -17
5          12         7
30          2          5
14          4          7
30          2          5
7          4          1
19          6          4
24          5          14
29          2          12
24          4          14
26          2          12
11          4          8
11          6          2
19          8          -6
2          10         14
10          2          15
18          2          13
33          4          9
18          6          3
30          8          7
11          6          1
34          8          -7
25          10         4
11          2          2
15          4          -2
10          6          1
10          5          11
26          2          9
23          4          5
24          6          -1
27          8          3
33          6          15
25          2          16
13          2          17
6          2          15
29          4          11
22          6          23
13          2          27
33          2          25
14          4          27
14          2          31
2          2          32
23          2          33
4          2          31
25          4          27
29          6          30
26          5          40
23          2          41
17          2          45
23          2          49
35          2          50
[/reveal]

Enjoy the game!

Just happened to read the entire post! Was with grandkids over the long weekend. So much fun!

Now before I add my two cents here, a bit of background of me as I haven't introduced myself to anyone around here. I used to work for Cammegh in my working days. For people who don't know, we produce roulette wheels. Yes, roulette wheels. I graduated through the ranks there and retired as a director. For close to 2-3 years, my job was a wheel balancing expert, advicing and supporting casinos on ensuring that the wheels are balanced. There are various complex methods that we use to determine whether the wheel is balanced or not from physical inspections to running the spins produced through a number of tests.

One of the tests is on standard deviations. Standard deviations not only on the numbers, but on every playing position. I often hear people say that wheel don't have memory. Our job was to induce memory into the wheel to ensure that a balance is produced. We treat wheels which don't exhibit memory capabilities and produce balanced behaviours as outlaws and detain them They see their way out of the casinos so that their banks are not broken.

That experience has taught me a lesson that there is nothing called gamblers fallacy when things are approached scientifically with an expectancy of deviation not continuing on a long term. Casino's determination and manufacturers will to keep them balanced has created a whole new world which can be dominated by people who show patience and discipline to track the spins to go into balance. What Bayes and drazen are following is absolutely one of the methods to beat a balanced wheel.

Also, we cannot ignore the fact that there is a thin line that separates art from science. As Sam rightly said, it is a premonition or in my words an art to deduce what science tells us and get our playing positions right.
I shall close with an interesting anecdote, I used to read the methods from our sister forums and run them on my machines to see whether they are exhibiting a behaviour which is balanced (result in a no win, no loss position on flat betting ). That's when my engagement with these forums started and am relishing it.


Great discussion thread Sam!

Chrisbis     This is not for cracking the framework as you are still far off.  This is for your knowledge of details, ability to extract insights from it and the desire to crack it.  I have decided to increase the prize by 50% and give that to you.  Pm me your uk bank ac details or PayPal. I will do the 25eur transfer.  Well deserved. 


Now as in the observations.  There is no change in driection . The nature of this framework is very dynamic yet static becaus it's all decided at the start. only clue that I can give now is its only dozens and columns.  There is a slowdown, but the explanation is not quite rigt.   Let's see more answes. 

If I don't see any further ability to crack, I shall release the numbers that came on the marquee.  . Big clue right. Watch out!

Ignatus,I shall hlp you here. can you take 3 sets of 50 spins and post only the first 50 here. I wll explain the approach and show how to do for this set. Then yu can rn the same against the other sets of 50 spins and report bck here. what do you say?

Quote from: Rouletta on May 25, 2013, 03:43:10 PM
Hi Grampa, Chrisbi and all
I think I have the closing bet; last Spin
Bet 3+3 on each Doz/Col............Balance is 136.15
Bet Wins on BOTH Bet Selections (+9+9=+18)
New High Bal is 154.15, session ends.
Is it correct Grampa....?

Cheers

Rouletta

Here goes my first clue for the weekend. Last bet is 6 units on 3rd dozen which wins me 18 units.  Close the game.   a bit different from what you thought? .  There is a reason why it is called a challenge. 

Well done chrisbis.  You are almost there but not quite there. What you have explained is the starting point of my framework.   I will release some more clues over the long weekend so that we get some help in cracking this. And you all will be please to know that the prize money will not get impacted with these hints.