I was referring to the past mod stuff.  I got no idea what you moderate now.

Anyway the rest is my opinion.  Probably not going to change it anytime soon, nor will I continue beating that horse to death.

QuoteRe: Andy Dulay
« Reply #2 on: Yesterday at 05:22:26 pm »
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I'm really not sure what the confederate flag has to do with baccarat..does ones avatar define them? ..people are responsible to govern themselves so why would this be an issue what AD was assisting in selling to others...does a supermarket be held accountable if a shopper doesn't like a product they bought from them?

Here is what I find funny....johno is egalite and the magical Rolex watch....but Did you know he is also OZ on the btc forum....the same OZ that claimed to win 100 shoes in a row using a otbl method and who has claimed to be one of Ellis's million dollar winners....oh an he is also Ozon here..
I guess now we see behind the curtain....

Maybe some of you don't want to talk about ADulay - fine, but IMO when you got a moderator who was involved with scam sites (maverick and Ellis) and knew it questions should be asked.

You got to ask what the motivation is for a guy to be a moderator on all these different sites.  Andy doesn't really add much to the forum even though he apparently has vast experience with Baccarat and is privy to many, if not all, the betting methods from Ellis thru Mark T and even Alvin.  So maybe he just does it to get free systems and then he can give them t his friends or whatever, who knows but it's still weird.

I would prefer people to use the same avatar in a particular site but Johno was NOT involved in the 100 shoe fiasco of OTBL or any of ECD's stuff.  So that part you got wrong.  I don't know about the other because I don't go on those sites.

Quote from: AsymBacGuy on December 11, 2015, 12:58:21 AM
I don't have the recipe for the secret sauce, neither gr8player does.

There's no a secret sauce as baccarat is a mathematically unbeatable game.

My strategy as I already told you is not different to yours only I prefer to bet very few hands or at least I seriously bet very few hands. Call it a very selected trend following strategy, call it whatever you want.
You'll win 30,50 or even 60 units in a single short session, I can't do that as I don't want to lose counterpart sessions getting me 30,50 or 60 units deficit.

My methods are so diluted that the betting frequency will be hugely spread into several shoes. Fluctuations of my betting spots appearance are so great that giving you an average betting ratio per shoe is just ridicolous. An average number could be 3-4 main bets per every 10 shoes.

It'll be my duty to promptly communicate to you my "new" WR as I added to my plan some more frequent patterns, otherwise Lung will kill me right on the table spot.

So we're playing the same game with the same strategy, only I select more my spots.
No secrets, just the assessment of very long WL testings and infinite hours dedicated to this f. game.

Take care and say a genuine hello to your beautiful wife.

as.

Don't try to get on my good side with the beautiful wife stuff because I got no good side!  I'm still that "small petty man" that GR8 loves so much.

IMO you're blowing smoke above.  You've said for months that you studied a gazillion shoes or whatever and decided on a certain pattern or iteration or whatever to bet on and that it was an infrequent event thus you had to wait sometimes several shoes before an event showed up.  So that implies you have a specific selection does it not?  You yourself stated that this bet would require a large base to make it worthwhile.  It's not ridiculous to state event opportunities per x number of decisions.  In fact, it is something that MUST be known in order to devise a proper staking plan!

So if you have a specific selection and have gleaned  millions of shoes you got to have some idea of the WR and the frequency.  What am I not understanding?

I've never said you must tell anyone or even doubted it exists (though I got my doubts).  What's the problem in revealing the statistics of your preferred placements?  So if you don't know or don't want to say just be honest and say so.

It's just my opinion but the WR got to be awfully high to make such a bet practical.  But . . . as we discussed privately a long time ago such a bet could be introduced into other bet placements that could more or less guarantee a healthy profit.

You know, John, for you and everyone else that's reading this the idea that you look for certain trends and bet them like I do, like Gr8 does, and now like you do apparently, gives absolutely no advantage and makes frequency of bets or numbers of trends you follow totally irrelevant.  So betting 15 times a shoe like Gr8 for 2 trends or betting like I do 30 times a shoe for 4 trends makes no difference.

Read Sqzbox thread about the 3 steps to winning.

You can have the last word.  I'll delete this thread after I give people time to read it.

Quote from: AsymBacGuy on Today at 10:33:30 am

QuoteJimskie you don't deserve any answer when you insult people you don't know, expecially considering your age.
as.

Really?  That's a pretty lame excuse.  I'll ask it once more.  You have been saying for months (years?) now that you have the secret sauce.  And not just on this forum but others as well.  So I never asked you to reveal your stuff.  All I asked from day one (before any insults) what is the average number of bets per 100 decisions and what was the strike rate percentage.  You said you have tested over a million shoes so you MUST have those simple stats but you never respond to that question which I deem is a fair question.

Quoteexpecially considering your age.

  My wife says I'm old and grumpy.  But she's a lot younger - I tell her to wait until she gets my age!  heheheh

  That does help!  These methods are easy if you know them.  Try to explain them . . .  another story.  I've written two "manuals" for Baccarat play.  Granted, one was a bit complicated and took me 20 pages to explain it along with visuals.  The other was easier but still took a little doing before it could be understood by the uninitiated.

Quote from: bjb007 on December 02, 2015, 10:33:06 AM
What can I say?

You can say anything you choose but have chosen to say nothing. 

Quote from: Gizmotron on November 30, 2015, 08:00:59 PM
Just in case you can't see it, notice these from the beginning of the first set of dozens. There's a shifting dominance of one dozen to another dozen while the last dozen dominates as a sleeper.


.....x....xxxx.xxx...xx..
xx.x..xxxx....x...xxx....
..x.x..................xx



The text of the chart is in proportionally spaced font style that is the same for dots (not hits) and X's (hits). So if you look up the columns perpendicular to their written form you can see which dozen hit in the set for each spin. It's a horizontal chart, the bigger chart being 100 spins. At the end of each row is a number representing how many times in that 100 spins that dozen hit.

I'm still at a loss to read the above.  Perhaps some one else can chime in and enlighten me?  No?  Perhaps nobody gets it?

Quote from: Gizmotron on December 01, 2015, 10:41:54 PM
It is not necessary to predict the results of future events in order to effectively exploit future opportunities:

Sounds like semantics and/or double talk to me.  Opportunity abounds at every spin.  To examine PAST events and successfully exploit that OPPORTUNITY can be qualified as either a positive expectation or a negative expectation.

Quote from: Lung Yeh on December 02, 2015, 01:09:59 AM
Now I have my own board?? (Courtesy of Jimske?? Thanks).

:)My pleasure!

QuoteWell, after every loss, I shut my mind and move on. Make money from my businesses, sell assets and come back again. Playing baccarat makes me happy. I often console myself when I lose that it might as well be some of my business partners or management screwing up and losing me money too. Same thing except that in baccarat I lose the money myself.

I told myself the last trip will be the LAST trip if I lose. But I often lie. To myself. So I am going to try again. And I am working out with aymbac on the Asian trip. Just to let the forum know that the offer did not die off. But we (Asymbac and me) will have to agree on further disclosure in this forum. Truth is some of us here have no tolerance for different opinions and approaches and are quite vocal, dismissive and condescending to those who have different approaches.

God bless.

Disclosure to the board?  Why?  I wouldn't except if I was hoodwinked.

Opinions are one thing.  Stressing opinions and passing them as fact without appropriate documentation or explanation quite another.

It appears you are addressing me.  Making too many assumptions about what I think and do.

Quote from: Gizmotron on December 01, 2015, 07:33:01 PM
Why does there have to be a mathematical edge for there to exist an advantage?

I suppose it has something to do with predictability?

QuoteIf there are fluctuation waves that exist in early play, where the waves cycles above and below the base line value of the expected long term distribution of outcomes, commonly known as the house's edge, then for a while, the player has a mathematical short termed possibility of choosing to exit the game while in a positive position, especially if that position is just 1 unit up.

IMO the only reason there exists a HA is again the inability to predict from random outcomes.  What you are speaking of here seems to me to be a long way round to what I call "bias" and it is something I work with all the time as a trend player.

QuoteI find it disconcerting, that at a discussion forum about gambling, that my point is anything that excludes unclear. So don't act like I don't make sense. My point is simple. Why do I have to end my sessions on the base line value of the houses advantage or worse? You can't negate the existence of being ahead early on in a session. You can't deny the existence of fluctuating results from a session of betting. You are also clearly oblivious to the knowledge of coincidental circumstances. It is clearly possible to exit a steep downturn whenever you feel like it.

:)Am I?

QuoteIt takes all the spins to create a house's advantage. The casino doesn't make you bet the same amount and every spin too though. You have the control on when to quit, when to increase a bet, and when to pull back your bet amounts.

Now you sound like the late Stetson Bailey.  No argument with the obvious.

QuoteI can't play more than 300 spins in a session. There are often three or four magnificent opportunities that occur every 300 spins. I don't ignore them, you do. You use arithmetic as an excuse not to discover what I'm trying to show you. I'm glad you do that stubborn thing though. It makes discussions here kind of my advantage. And what's funny about that is you have no idea what you are missing, and that comes through with that stone wall of probability is king thingy you do.

You sure you speaking to me here?  I do nothing of the kind you suggest. 

Quote from: gr8player on November 30, 2015, 10:08:51 PM
Good one, Jimske....you feel better about yourself now, do you?

:))Look, you're the one that told everybody you lost 250,000 not me.  This really isn't personal with me.  I brought it up assuming that you lost it because at one time you were totally out of control and thought you might have some insight for Yeh.

Oh, BTW, I one time played for months accumulating a nice big bank (12k) and lost it all back in one night at one table - Blackjack.  I went home with tears in my eyes.  I was out of control.  It was a wake up call for me.  Though I have occasionally gone gone tilt for small amounts it doesn't really happen to me because I have learned how to navigate it.  No one is immune to this.

Frankly, I think you should just look at your loss as a business venture gone bad and move on.  Doesn't matter if you get that money back.  A big mistake people make is "trying to get my money back."  It ain't your money anymore.  It's commendable that you were able to overcome.  Good for you.  But I could really care less.

Quote from: Gizmotron on November 30, 2015, 06:58:55 PM
RePosted:
Here, they will be on topic.

Everyone knows that card counting 21 players wait for opportunity. It's not a mathematical advantage unless they deliberately target a favored condition.

Look at these spin results for 100 spins and 12 different dozens tracked in groups of threes: notice the red dominations?


.....x....xxxx.xxx...xx..x.x.....x..x.....xx..xxx.....xx..x....x...x.......x.x..xx.x..x...x...xx..x. -- 34
xx.x..xxxx....x...xxx.......x.x....x..xxxx..x....x...x..x..xxx..x.....xx..x.x.xx..x....xxx......x..x -- 38
..x.x..................xx.x..x.xx....x............xxx............xx.xx..xx..........xx.....xxx...x.. -- 24

....xx..x.x.x..x.x.x..x....xx..x.x..xxx...x.x.x..x....xx...x...x...xx.x...x.x...x.x...xx..x......xx. -- 36
..xx.......x.x.........xx.x..xx....x.....x......x.x..x....x.x.....x..x.xx..x..x..x......xx..x....... -- 26
xx....xx.x....x.x.x.xx...x......x......xx..x...x...xx...x....x..xx.......x...x.x...xxx.....x.xxxx..x -- 34

............x..xxx.x...xx...x...xx..x.x..x....x.x.x.x.x.....x..x..xx.x.xx.x.....x...x..x.....x...x.. -- 31
..x..xxx.xx..x....x..xx....x.x.........x..xx...x.......x..x.....x.....x....xxxxx.x.x.xx...x.......xx -- 32
xx.xx...x..x..x.....x....xx...xx...x.x..x...x....x.x.x..x..x.x...x..x....x........x.....xx.xx.xxx... -- 33

...........x..x..x.......xx...xxx.x.xx.......x..x....x..xx...xxx................x...........x.xx.x.. -- 24
..x..xxx.xx..x....x..xx....x.x.........x..xx...x.......x..x.....x.....x....xxxxx.x.x.xx...x.......xx -- 32
xx.xx...x...x..xx..xx..xx...x....x.x..x.xx..x.x..xxxx.x....xx....xxxxx.xxxx.......x.x..xxx.x.x..x... -- 44


You could just bet on positions that look like they are heading into a domination, if you know how. Bet $2 per number in the dozen that might be in a state of domination; bet $1 per number on the other dozen that coincidentally appears not to be asleep.

So this explains  mathematical edge?  What are the dots for?  Go ahead and explain this  in simpler terms for those of us like me who are intellectually impaired.

QuoteBTW, Gr8player plays like a genius level professional player too.

So you continue reminding us.
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Quote from: Sputnik on November 30, 2015, 06:51:13 PM
Lung you should not belive in Everything on this forum.
When they say they have 53% or 60% strike ratio - so does it not have so much about how they bet as every one can have that strike ratio some-times - is not rocket sience.
The game is 50/50 and has negative expectaion - so no one can keep 53/60% strike ratio and no one can succed flat betting with out using some kind of progression.

When you read Jimski, GR8 and AS post and replys you have to understand they don't have any bet selection that is better then Follow The Last or any other kind of march.
It does not matter what kind of march or betting you do as no one can outguess better then 50/50 with negative expectation.

All combinations has the same probability even if you might get other impression reading what other has to say - so is it only illusion.
I feel sorry for your loses and maybe you should stop playing all togheter.

Cheers

Ditto.

Bring it to your own thread please.

Quote from: Lung Yeh on November 30, 2015, 04:41:04 PM
it's a disaster. Lost US$500k. I intend to give up or there will be dire consequences. 😞😞😔😔. Too tired to discuss. As is usual, lost control... And took credit from the junckets and then use credit cards. I think I have bipolar disorder...

Sorry to hear your terrible loss.  Not that it really matters to me- it doesn't, but I have no desire to see you or anyoone lose money to the casios which I disdain.

The colors, the light, the sound, the comps . . .everything about the casino environment is designed to lull one into a place of "dreamland" to separate patrons from their money.  Sure, Giz is correct as to greed being a part of the problem gambler syndrome but NOT the only problem.  The adrenaline rush, the dopamine all contribute to actual chemical changes that affect some more than others. 

Ask yourself.  Can you stop?  How do you think Gr8 lost 250k at this game?  Apparently he is now cured and that is good.  Maybe you should ask hiim how he overcame that "addiction" and compulsive behavior?

Nope, why should I delete this post above Gr8.  It's ON TOPIC.

Screw you GR8.  I got every right to delete any post I am able.  It's your opinion as to WHY the delete button is there.  I have a different view.

QuoteNo, we both know the real reason that you deleted my post and Gizmotron's positive response to it.

Nonsense.  Total misread.  I can take what I dish!  Your posts were deleted because they were OFF TOPIC.  You still haven't explained in any satisfactory way why one "negates an edge" by betting every hand.  Neither has Gizmo and neither has asymbacc.  So get off your high horse telling me what "we both know"

QuoteYou're a small, petty man Jimske, whose only response was to hit the delete button in order to feel better about yourself.

:))That's your opinion and you're entitled to it and the personal attack if you so wish.  In the main - my comments are about Baccarat.

So go back to Betting Every Hand thread and please tell the world how one destroys his edge by betting every hand.