Quote from: spike on February 04, 2013, 08:08:33 PM
Gamblers Fallacy sequences? You mean you think after
a bunch of events in a row, you are willing to bet your
whole BR on the next spin?

Of course you won't, because of GF. What you mean is,
the end of the sequence is near. DUH! But you can't
know exactly when it will end, nobody can. Like I said,
newbie stuff..

You don't need to. You know its highly likely to show in the next 10 spins. How many times have you seen a dozen sleep for 40 plus spins? I can tell you its not going to happen. there's more chance of you actually showing us a working method than that. Random has virtual limits.

Now you know...

Quote from: Robeenhuut on February 04, 2013, 07:12:36 AM
Google "screen capture" and download a free software in 1 min. For example Screen Hunter. If you really play online and have a dispute with a casino its really essential. 

I might attempt it in the latter part of the year. When I have some interest. Im not at the level where people sit up and take notice yet. That starts happenning from July onwards. Because I treat this like a business. I never attempt to grow more than 4% on BR in any one days play.

There are no spectacular daily wins with me. Not at this level. When you are winning 2 or 3% of a £10,000 BR that's another story. When I get up there. I will get involved in all this, but I want Superman to earn some of that money. His financial future is bright. How bright depends on the tolerance level of PP.

If they don't stop me he will become wealthy from very little work. We shall see.

Quote from: TwoCatSam on February 04, 2013, 06:03:00 PM
THE LONGER THE WAIT, THE SOONER THE CHANGE.

Jl

The above is an undeniable truth.  Question is, when will the change come?  Ah, if we only knew.

By the way, who wants to wait around for 20 reds in a row?  I'm 66. 

Sam

that's the problem Sam lol! Yeah I think its just an opportunist bet. You have several possibilities. But that's what I basically do. Find something as rare as 20 reds. But more playable.

Quote from: Gizmotron on February 04, 2013, 03:15:16 PM
I'll bet there are people here that know what I mean by spectacular opportunities. I would really like to know if people really don't know what to do with a sleeping dozen that sleeps for thirty spins in a row. How about a sequence of singles in the dozens that lasts more than 20 spins in a row? Do people here ignore 20 reds in a row? Perhaps Spike is correct here. Maybe very few here play the very best opportunities. Maybe they are as clueless as Spike. Let's  see about that.

I don't care if you delete this Giz, this is the first time I've got what you are going on about regarding spectacular opportunities. And of course you oil up the machine and get ready to take full advantage of these gems.

And Spike is clueless if he thinks 5 reds in a row offers an equal opportunity to 20 reds in a row. THE LONGER THE WAIT, THE SOONER THE CHANGE.

So at least we get a solid insight into what you are thinking Giz. Unlike Spike.

Quote from: MarignyGrilleau on February 03, 2013, 10:48:53 PM

I do not know what you mean by calling out. I don't think i know it all so i learn, and because i do learn i bet 1:10 that this bet selection can not work as it is.  And there your "factual outcome" will actually cost you money.
I sometimes wonder if you are serious on your statements. I openly share knowledge based on verifiable observations and i do not teach... Not only words or empty statements.- Back it up first, then we can talk.
Good Luck.
I read loads of systems presented on forums and i do not nag them, as most of the time the authors have or will arrive at a realistic expectation.

Well lets wait and see. Ignatus is having good success with it. I say to you as I say to others about my methods. Knowing something can lose, and meeting that loss are two different things.

I am deadly serious no one will take me seriously until July. Not even the guy im paying to verify my challenge. The realization will slowly start to come to him around the end of March. And it will most certainly start registering with you guys by July.

By years end there won't be a right thinking person who doubts me again. Then the ball will be in your court. Those who think 1 plus 1 thinking applies to a players potential to beat this game are in for the wake up call. You don't 100 fold a bankroll with things that don't work.

Now getting back to this thread. Ignatus is putting forward the notion that wheel based dozens have an edge over the layout. It requires alot more BR outlay. But it also returns in proportion to that risk. Im not an expert on this kind of play. But it looks promising from where im standing. Im testing this myself.

Quote from: Wildcard on February 03, 2013, 08:21:35 PM
Sputnik, for what it's worth, Turbogenius ran 1 million RNG spins keeping track of longest sleepers AND repeaters. The results are available at his website, you can find them here.



Hope this helps.

Its like I said I have never seen the 40 barrier broken for dozens. Random has virtual limits. that's just not a very practical one. Unless you are doing it Ralph style with his bot machine.

Quote from: TwoCatSam on February 03, 2013, 04:16:11 PM
Ralph

My point exactly.  Who would put in 10,000 units and be OK with watching it drop by half?  Here is just such a graph from years ago.

Sam

Exactly Sam. When its real hard earned money. We are far more cautious and jittery about taking risks. When its fun money we don't have that reserve. And as ralph and others have found out. It then becomes easier to see and find ways of beating this game.

Its like game shows, in the UK often the people that go all the way are the ones who don't really need the money. So they're prepared to take those extra risks. The ones who are watching every penny can't afford to risk 50k to win a million.

Its the mind that stops us REALLY going forward with this game. It really is.

Quote from: ignatus on February 03, 2013, 01:48:16 PM
Update: +662 SEK Real money!

Great stuff no one would like to see you prove the naysayers wrong more than me. Keep it going until you are so far ahead that the odd loss here and there means little. That is all we have to do.

Quote from: Sputnik on February 03, 2013, 10:45:56 AM

Do you know how many times one dozen repeat during 1 milion.

I will fix one computer with RX so i can run the simulation.
Had no time yet.

Bayes say around 13 to 14 hits during 1 milion trails.

If that is true, then i can play even money bets with out losing during 1 milion trails, pretty amazing.
Did one test in the past and i pass 800.000 and now i know why it works.

The probability and match is not 1 in 2 when i place my bets.
I apply Markow Chains Metodology.

If you have time to run RX once for 1 million that would be very cool.
Just to see the blending edge for one dozen to repeat.

Are you saying you can flat bet any dozen for one million spins and end with a worthwhile profit?

Quote from: ignatus on February 03, 2013, 08:47:53 AM

Great   


Well, I say enough to survive to the end of the progression.
                                     
That would be 1*12 + 2*12 + 3*12 + 4*12 + 6*12 + 9*12 + 14*12 + 21*12 = 720 units

Okay thanks Ignatus, it's a heavy progression for newbies. Even seasoned players. But ill test it out. I never dismiss anything until I've tested it for at least 500 games.

Quote from: MarignyGrilleau on February 03, 2013, 01:25:58 AM

You too have a lot to learn about the game.

Really, so when does class begin Marigny? The problem with people like you Spike and Gizmo is you think you already know it all.

That's why all three of you will be the first people I will be calling out. To explain how things that don't work, produced outstanding success in July and beyond. I will then hope you have the decency to admit.

Your beliefs on the outcome of trigger based methods and progressions, don't represent a FACTUAL OUTCOME, for this game. They represent YOUR PERSONAL OPINION, CHOICE. In your outlook on the game.

Quote from: ignatus on February 02, 2013, 10:23:19 PM

Why is that so? This whole strategy is based on the very frequent 123-move on livewheels. You haven't seen the pattern or even played it. So your argument is invalid OK

Ignatus a question. What is the required bankroll and staking plan for this method. Can you give me some examples please?

I would like to test it for myself. Unlike many who are taking swipes without doing the homework.

Quote from: Ralph on February 01, 2013, 08:22:34 PM
Jl back up your claims, I am so old I may not be around when you plublish your success, I start a post BEFORE I start the game. And explain how I will do the play.
Some screen shot or some similar!

Ralph who told you to get old? I don't have the know how to do all this screenshot malarkey. That's why im paying Superman handsomely to be my verifier.

I am sure you will hang on until April. And still be killing BV by July with your Bot machine. And besides you have Subby doing the Sparamus challenge. Now he has been slow of late. But has he blown his BR?

I've invested £250 of my own money in that venture. So I do put my money where my methods are. Now I don't know about Eurogrand. If this had happened to Shogun on PP. I would say hard cheese. Because that's the best in the business. Total honesty. You lose there you lose fair and square.

To lose three games in a row on three different tables isn't impossible but very unlikely. If I haven't done it in over 6,000 games. Then someone comes along and does it in 7 games on an unplaced casino. I don't know.

Quote from: shogun on February 01, 2013, 08:03:04 PM


I trebled my bet twice as we hardly ever see a treble loss. It was just to recover quicker.

I was playing H/L only on Eurogrand live.

I had 1 loss today and 2 yesterday and they were on 2 different tables

Maybe you should play as you were before Shogun. And play more conservatively. I don't know eurogrand. But no increases on loss after loss.

Quote from: shogun on February 01, 2013, 07:34:21 PM
RESULTS UPDATE FOR PATTERN BREAKER FOR 01/02/2013

TOTAL GAMES PLAYED  7

TOTAL GAMES WON  4

TOTAL GAMES LOST  3

DOUBLE LOSSES=0
TREBLE LOSSES=1

Well as you can see i have got off to a horrible start. 4 wins in a row and then 3 losses in a row. I am done with this for now. I know John it will improve but i have had the stuffing knocked out of me and i am to disheartenend to carry on right now.I have the breaking strain of a kitkat.

After the first loss i trebled my bet and when this lost i trebled it again    only to lose again.

Cheers.

Why did you treble it twice Shogun?. When you play just HIGH AND LOW. You don't bet more than once after a loss. That said you have been extremely unlucky here. Where did you play this? I have been playing this method for 4.5 years and over 6,000 games and never lost three times in a row. On HIGH LOW.

Or playing BOTH HIGH LOW and ODD EVEN. You seem to be running into them every time you play. Look at Subby, he has played around 150 games. And although he has lost 16 times. He hasnt had a single double loss.

Mind you he is playing on the best online casino in the universe. And so am I. Might be something to consider.