RESULTS UPDATE FOR PB 4 DL FOR 22/12/2012

TOTAL GAMES PLAYED 50

TOTAL GAMES WON 45

TOTAL GAMES LOST 5

STRIKERATE 9/1

BALANCE 30 UNITS PLUS

DOULBE LOSSES ZERO

LONGEST WINNING STREAK 18

Okay how I've been playing AMKs newest idea is to track just HIGH LOW until a game loses. A loss TRIGGER is counted when random delivers the 4th pattern immediately after the 3rd. I then immediately play another game on ONLY HIGH LOW. And bet against this happening again.

HH-.--1
HL----2---3
LL----4-------------THIRD PATTERN 4TH CYCLE
LH------------------NOW I BET THIS PATTERN doesn't FORM NEXT.

At only 3 UNITS to buy into this method. Its offers great value and turnover. Three wins matches a lost progression. The strikerate of 9/1 is more impressive than you might at first realize. given such a small buy in and faster turnover than my original PB. Next update at 100 games played.

Quote from: Gizmotron on December 22, 2012, 04:55:35 PM
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Having you take me literally is nothing but childish. Look in the mirror Bub. You are the one claiming "we will all see, just you wait."  I've been around for years. I've seen lots of claimers just like you come and go. When you come back as alias Number Three would you please first take a big number two. Cause you are full of it.

Not going anywhere, claims that will be proven unlike yours. That's the difference.

Quote from: Gizmotron on December 22, 2012, 04:43:04 PM
I won't take orders from the peanut gallery. The truth is that this thread questions the validity of HAR being a provable theory. A request for properly conducted research under peer review is needed. My own research has already confirmed the position that HAR has no capacity to change long term values expected in a testing of large numbers. That's all the proof I need. There has never been a rule based system, progression, or set of rules that have effectively beaten the game of Roulette. There is no way in Hell  that you have achieved what everyone else on Earth has failed to achieve at. There is no way that a magical three stepped Martingale is that successful method. Who is kidding who?

Then youll have some explaining to do in 6 or so months. This I can't wait for...

Quote from: Gizmotron on December 22, 2012, 04:16:47 PM
Let's see if I have this right. I've been discussing my methods and theories with people that I know have long ago given up on inadequate systems that never have proven to be useful. And in this past year openly shared every secret and attempted to successfully communicate every answer to every question asked of me. Including the answer that the only proof that anyone will accept is proof one gets for himself. I worked on this method for more than fifteen years. It takes years of playing experience to master it. And most important of all. I know human nature. The majority of people here hope that you are right. Nobody wants to work hard for a method that fulfills their dreams or plans. Having you demand that proof is like listening to a baby demand that his diapers be changed or to feed him. All I have for you is wait until July.

No good. Post a clearly defined method for ALL to see. And prove it works or have it tested. You are so above us all, this should be a walk in the park.

Quote from: KingsRoulette on December 22, 2012, 04:18:17 PM
I  personally feel that Bayes scientific explanations regarding Hit and Run is basically perfect but if the way PB is being played is wrong, what is the right way?
              Isn't every method basically merely a Hit and Run? We enter casinos at random times, start playing at random tables and with random sessions. Does this save us from getting bad runs even if we play random methods as well. There is always a fight with random versus random, whatever you play.
           Every method has same fate. Can anybody disprove this?

Same fate KR?

Quote from: Gizmotron on December 22, 2012, 03:58:33 PM
Hey MISTER LEGENDARY MAN, show me one person that can tell me when the mathematical probability for the next quality trend will start and how long it will continue to be effective. If you are handed the real method that works and you can't see it then you of all people have experienced the greatest lesson in irony. What's more, Your 7.4/1 magic pill is known.

Its time you stopped playing Mr superior Giz and throw down. POST A METHOD and PROVE IT WORKS. I DARE YOU?

Quote from: Bayes on December 22, 2012, 03:55:37 PM
That's not what I meant. If you do that then it could be HAR at work or it could be the system. The point is, you won't have shown that it's specifically HAR which has given you the results.

Its always a three prong attack Bayes. Bet Selection, Money Management and H.A.R (LUCK) If one of them is missing I am not going to make it. All working in conjunction with eachother. Executed by a disciplined steadfast player. Great things are possible.

That's all I will show.

Quote from: Bayes on December 22, 2012, 03:44:21 PM
John,

You admit yourself that it works FOR YOU. To my mind, something that "works for me" is a method that just doesn't work, period. The natural conclusion to draw if some have won with it and some haven't is that it's just a matter of luck.
I wish you luck with the challenge, but even if you "destroy" PaddyPower it won't mean that you've proved that HAR works. To show that HAR is effective we need a control group. If HAR is as effective as you claim then it shouldn't take long to show beyond reasonable doubt whether it works or not.

Okay Bayes we will leave it at that then. Its just all luck if I go from 200 units to 2 million.

Quote from: Trebor on December 22, 2012, 03:36:08 PM
If that's not saying it's my fault for having no staying power then I'm a chinaman (no offence).

Trebor I simply name checked you and Shogun. As you both had similar breakdowns. Im not saying anything is your fault.

Quote from: Gizmotron on December 22, 2012, 03:34:31 PM
They don't call you legend for nothing.

So here is where hit and run really works. In this place and these conditions, any person depending on luck or magical beliefs gets killed as a reward for their miscalculations. The place is Mt. Everest. You screw around with promises and you die. I prefer the real world.

If I didn't know better, and I can't prove anything, I would say that this is an elaborate hoax, JL is some kind of new type of troll craft, and that in reality he is some under paid and frustrated junior high school math teacher. This is the same person that was Fender1000 and promised that the future would prove his preaching was true. Now we are asked to wait once again. What I'm waiting for is someone that got burned by this to walk up and hit him and don't run.  There should be a consequence for trashing a forum by posters publishing outright fabrication designed specifically to deceive.

Exactly what im in the process of doing now Giz. And where is your method and proof that you are right? Deceive who? You are overexaggerating everything here Giz.

You should know that if you tell a 1,000 people you can beat this game. Not even 10 will take you seriously. Please tell me you know this already. But then show a 1,000 people success. And then maybe 11 will take you seriously out of that 1,000. But at least those 11 will know I am not what you are implying.

Quote from: Bayes on December 22, 2012, 03:26:12 PM
John, this thread isn't about attacking you or your systems. A lot of gamblers believe in HAR and they probably always will, but it doesn't have a leg to stand on. Here's another analogy -

Bill & Bob

Bill & Bob are two hedgehogs who both live in an area divided by a road. At night both of them cross the road at random times, but only once per night. The road isn't a busy one, with an average of maybe 1 car per hour.  Bill is a purposeful kind of chap who doesn't dither when crossing the road; it takes him ten seconds. Bob, on the other hand, is more laid back, he likes to soak up some of the heat absorbed by the road during the day, so it takes him a full minute to cross - six times longer than Bill.

Question: Who is more likely get squashed first?

If you said Bob, you'd be right! 

So does this validate HAR?

NO!!!

Bob may be the FIRST to get squashed, but don't forget, his time spent on the road is 6 times as much as Bill's. The number of road crossings isn't the same as the time actually on the road, and this is the only factor which determines how likely it is that one or another of them will be squashed.

Similarly, if you play 6 games per session then you're going to lose a game, in terms of the number of sessions, BEFORE someone who only plays one game per session. It does NOT mean that HAR is a superior strategy, it just means that the one-game-per-session guy will have to play more GAMES, on average, before he loses.

Thinking the HAR way can be dangerous. How often do you hear that someone thinks that they can "get away with" using a martingale because they're just "in and out" quickly (and therefore, it's implied, they will be less likely to be caught out)? Too many players think that HAR gives them some kind of immunity from randomness.

Bayes I know this isn't a personal attack on me. But im giving my side of the story. All I say is this. If I sat there and played 40 games of Pattern Breaker in a row. You can be certain I would lose at least once. So now tell me why I can win 40 or more playing H.A.R if it has NO ADVANTAGE?

Quote from: Superman on December 22, 2012, 12:53:36 PM
As hit and run remains a topic of discussion it would be good if everybody could vote so we can all see what percentage of members are actually doing it AND if it is working for them.

Personally I don't believe in it as it boils down to luck.

Check 

Quote from: Trebor on December 22, 2012, 03:04:38 PM
JL,

I stayed away from the main PB thread so I wouldn't see you say about me what I have now seen you say.

For the record. I remain unconvinced about the virtues of HAR as it makes no sense to me either but decided to have a go testing according to your methods. I accept that if I had carried on my results might have become better, of course they might also have become worse.

This has nothing whatsoever with a lack of staying power or impatience on my part. There was always advice on how my results might improve if I made some subtle change to my playing, BV suddenly became suspect, for some unknown reason one EC was "better" than the other two, I was playing too many sessions, the list goes on.

I would love for you to be right so I hope your supervised test lives up to your claims and it remains verifiable.

I think I'm right that you claim to have been winning with your methods for at least 13 years.

Trebor

Trebor what have I said about you? I am talking in general terms. Rest assured come July next year the numbers will tell my story. The following year if Im still alowed to do this. Its going to be something. Superman may still not believe in H,A,R but he will sure be glad he is involved with me playing it. Lets put it like that.

Quote from: TwoCatSam on December 22, 2012, 02:38:55 PM
On the "other" forum, ego will prove/disprove the thing with his eight-sided dice.

As I read this a thought comes to mind:  Luck can hold math at bay--for a while.

Sam

Yes but can it hold math at bay for 4 years Sam? You can't prove or disprove H.A.R, because its random entry into the cycle. Of course there are elements of luck, timing whatever involved. I've proved to myself that H,A.R is a superior play strategy for me. It might not work for everyone.

But as long as I play this game. Its how im going to play. I've played roulette for 20 years this coming february. In the first 11 years I played the game I could NOT WIN. And the reason was I played like most people play. Since I adopted the H.A.R style of play. I have never had a year I didn't make good profit.

You stay with what works for you personally no?

Quote from: Superman on December 22, 2012, 12:56:59 PM

Nobody here is calling you a liar, you should stop saying that.
 
You say you have been playing this way for years (I think the last time I read that you said 4 years, not sure), but you also keep saying you stand the chance of getting shutdown within the next 6 months, why is that?

Superman you know who has called me a liar, and worse. No not 6 months Superman. But you will of course be to the first to realize I am going to take PP to pieces. Now if you were them. And you know that unless you stop me. You are going to lose millions over the next 3-5 years. What would you do?