Quote from: ignatus on February 01, 2013, 11:05:48 AM

I won 4000, playing live. Never got a very bad streak so far, 7-8 spins without hit at most. TRUE. There may be extreme cases, but then one can play with stoploss at 4 losses in a row to prevet that.


Think it's bad people claiming this strategy won't work when they haven't played it.

Ignatus if its working for you its working. don't be put off by the  detractors who say mechanical trigger based methods don't work.

They work fine. The arrogance of people who swear they know better without even showing us a working method never fails to amaze me. So keep playing and winning. 2013 is the year that trigger based methods and progressions come of age.

The realization that consistent winning with THE RIGHT METHODS that use such pratices is very possible. Will start to enter into alot more minds by years end.

RESULTS UPDATE FOR CODE 4 HORIZONTAL FOR 31/01/2013


TOTAL GAMES PLAYED 400


TOTAL GAMES WON 399


TOTAL GAMES LOST 1


STRIKERATE 399/1


BALANCE= 625 UNITS PLUS


LONGEST WINNING STREAK 334 GAMES


CURRENT WINNING STREAK 65  GAMES




This method continues to perform very consistently after the first loss. It reminds me of FIVE which I have started playing again. Longterm consistency is extremely important, We don't need a method to be invincible. We need it to make profit longterm. I am confident CODE 4 HORIZONTAL is such a method. 

Quote from: esoito on January 31, 2013, 12:04:03 AM
"People want so badly
to believe they can play safely from the security of their
homes, they'll kid themselves all day long that RNG wheels
are as safe as their local casino."


YES!!  A very good point. 

Assuming just for a moment BV's randomness control is honest (Ralph is cleaning them out very successfully!!), it sure raises issues about the Playtechs et alia who offer no such controls -- apart from reassuring motherhood statements that few experienced players believe.

In fact, I clearly recall a former casino programmer (or so he said) who revealed the shonky nature of RNGs in a forum post.  Might have been at RF...  Was a while ago...

You can play safely at online live wheels on most sites. RNGS thrive because they satisfy the inherent lack of patience found in most humans.

Everybody virtually is in a RUSH to win. That makes it easy for dishonest sites to take advantage. The get rich quick mentality is alive and well. And will always be the downfall of the masses in this game.

Ralph appears to have broken BV through sheer saturation. Running a bot and coming to the table with a large BR. He bets without fear accepting  nerve shakng drawdowns. As he realises random can run. But its running around a playground. And sooner or later the law of averages brings it back to class.

The average Joe would have neither the BR or patience or inclination to do this on a real wheel. This style of saturation play can only thrive with machine Vs machine.

And so it goes on.

Quote from: Bayes on January 29, 2013, 09:11:57 PM
How about 39 spins without any dozen repeating? superman will back me up on this, he was there when it happened.

Yeah nothing special there Bayes. I have 19 recorded 30 plus sleepers for the dozens. I have seen a single dozen hit 11 or more times in a row, 22 times. And a dozen not repeat 30 plus many times.

I've never seen anything break the 40 barrier though. BUT WHO HAS THE PATIENCE? This is where a bot on an RNG holds value. Picking up on the bets no one could do on a live wheel.

Quote from: Bayes on January 29, 2013, 05:36:58 PM
Gizmo, I would argue that the hash function is safer, because even though you can see the spins on a live wheel, they could in theory be fixing the outcomes. Suppose that they have a sophisticated system of magnets hooked up under the wheel which they're able to turn on and so attract the ball away from wherever most of the chips are placed. They would have to be selective in using this because in the long run (if they activated it every spin) things would even out and there would be just as many players who would gain as lose, and they would also be running the risk that someone might figure out what's going on and place their bets on a sector which has the least chips on it, but for the sake of argument let's say they they have this kind of setup.

If they were, how would you know it? comparing sessions wouldn't necessarily give you proof that they weren't, it might just mean that everyone was being cheated, in fact it's hard to see how it could be any other way.

This one made me laugh out loud Bayes. there's and old Abbott and Costello film where this happens. But its very obvious because of how the ball moves.

Im not saying it doesn't or couldnt happen. But it makes you think. IF, this game is supposed to be bullet proof. And all methods are rubbish waiting to be torn apart by random and the house edge. WHY DO THEY NEED TO CHEAT?

When I've played many times, and I know im at the wheel with another 150 or so players. You see the winners list after a spin. You often see players who have won big. What you don't know is how they played to win what they did. And how many people were playing on that spin.

The casinos rely on the long run to make their profit margin. Most players are foolish and greedy. They are destined to give the casinos their profits and gripe all night when they lose. Most winners are lucky. Or betting huge amounts and covering most of the layout. So when they win it might appear they won a small fortune.

But they had a small fortune at risk. Then there's the smart players. Picking of occasional small profits. Going unoticed. As all the attention is on the big spenders. If there's been any cheating going on in the time I've played online. It hasnt affected me.

Quote from: shogun on January 28, 2013, 04:26:27 PM
Thanks JL, Great info. I am going to try my best to stick with it this time. When i gain confidence with it i will raise by bet a little.

Thanks subby that is a great post and is a must read for anyone playing PB.

Cheers 

You are welcome Shogun, once you have the tools its the mental discipline you must master. When I lacked in that department I was a loser.


Since I found that mental strength to stick to the plan. I've been a winner. don't underestimate that element of the game. Its the difference between winning and losing.

And the biggest single reason this game will always be there for us who have it to profit from. Roulette being mathematically impossible to overcome is a myth.

The human mind can conquer just about anything.

Quote from: MarignyGrilleau on January 28, 2013, 11:37:32 PM
It would be very easy to prove me wrong immediately if you had verifiable sessions. But you don't. So what i say above stands as the present truth.

It stands as nothing. Its my results. I will prove I win with ever growing REAL SUMS OF MONEY. Not endless bot tests in fun mode. But REAL HARD CASH on a LIVE WHEEL. Read that over and over until it sinks in.

Then when  I've 25 folded my bankroll for starters. I will come looking for you to explain how all these losing methods managed that. Be ready.

Quote from: MarignyGrilleau on January 28, 2013, 10:55:44 PM
I would like to warn all the newbies, that the above results claimed as facts, are in fact fiction. Any resemblance with reality is pure coincidence.


note: Anyone who shows results without any backing up to support it, is merely making an empty claim without anything of substance to show. Despite all the promises placed on the future...

Any resemblance with reality is pure coincidence. What on earth are you talking about? You may choose not to believe my results Marigny. But don't be making statements like that.

You will be one of the first to shy away from admitting you were wrong 5 months from now.

Quote from: Ralph on January 28, 2013, 08:53:53 PM
JL, I just wonder about the possible  flaw in your method. You claim it will never lose. In such a case I should divide the table max with the progressions needed and use  higher value chips. If your method does not work with other than lower chips, you have not told us why. Or may it be so you need the lower chips value due to the table max divided with the ground chip becomes the progression needed?


Some of my methods frankly is so, and have a risk to lose, if minor.

Ralph, I don't claim it will never lose. Bayes already showed it will lose in his simulation. What I said was I've yet to see a loss in nearly 4000 potential losses. And today I have hit the 1000 mark in wins.


RESULTS UPDATE FOR 7 ON 1 FOR 28/01/2013


TOTAL GAMES PLAYED 1000


TOTAL GAMES WON 1000


TOTAL GAMES LOST ZERO


STRIKERATE 1000/0


Well 7 ON 1 has hit the magical 1000 barrier in consecutive wins today. I don't know how to feel about this method. It didn't stand up to Bayes tests. But I have yet to lose a game. I've had one challenge on the progression in 1000 games.

So it stands that I've never seen more than six consecutive 4 GAPS on a live wheel. In almost 4,000 potential games. One thousand now played.

I know how everyone feels about that heavy high risk progression. I don't like the risk on the 5th step myself. 81---81 is alot to put on a single bet for a 1 unit return.

I only take this risk because I can well afford to do so. If I have the patience to wait for a treble trigger as I was doing on 8 ON 1. I will get less games, have to wait longer. But only have 80 units on the line.

Everything has its price with this game, and the two things we never have enough of in this life are in the balance here. TIME AND MONEY.

FIVE my other method that deals with 4 GAPS. Also has broken the 1000 winning game barrier. And only has 80 units on the line. But I have 3 losses on record. One suffered in real play. But all things considered its overall still the most successful method I've played.

I have to decide whether to continue pursuing 7 ON 1 at 242 units risk. Or to play both 8 ON 1 and FIVE in tandem with eactother. Both only risking 80 units a piece.

Quote from: Robeenhuut on January 28, 2013, 07:47:10 AM
Im just curious John. You can prove all doubters that you are right by just posting transaction history from an online casino you play at. Ladbrokes if memory serves me right ?  Now you are on PP.

Im everywhere Matt, lets let Superman earn some of that money this year. He will be my public relations man.

Nobody will give a hoot until about september. Then I will never have to prove another thing. You just watch this year. Its the year that changes more than a few minds.

Quote from: shogun on January 27, 2013, 05:34:28 PM
RESULTS UPDATE FOR PATTERN BREAKER FOR 27/01/2013

TOTAL GAMES PLAYED  3

TOTAL GAMES WON  3

TOTAL GAMES LOST  0

STRIKERATE   3/0

BALANCE=3 UNITS PLUS

DOUBLE LOSSES=0

Right i thought i would start playing PB again.
I will only play H/L this time but still playing HAR.
I am playing to win 1 euro. Last time i upped my stake my strike rate dropped.

JL just a few questions. How long should i leave between games to remain HAR?
What money management do you now use to recover a loss quicker?

Cheers.

Hello Shogun. It doesn't matter so long as you come off the track you are on. It could be 5 spins later or 5 hours later. But if you are tracking like this

HHH
HLL
LLH
You have to break away from it. You are ALWAYS travelling towards a loss. The longer you stay on the track the more certain that loss is.

MONEY MANAGEMENT. Lets get something clear right here. PATTERN BREAKER is as much if not more about money management as it is about bet selection and H.A.R.

it's a low buy in method, that means all three of the afforementioned must be working in harmony to succeed. Look at what Subby has achieved using zero money management. If he had been using money management. He would have smashed the 300 barrier already.

TWO suggested ways to money manage PB.

SUGGESTION 1, Play the classic 1,2,4 progression. And as soon as you lose double or treble (depending on BR size) on the very next game. For ONE GAME ONLY. Then drop back down to 1,2,4. And continue to play until you lose again. These follow up bets are a way of pulling back loss faster.

SUGGESTION 2, Have a multi level staking plan in opperation.

LEVEL 1----1,2,4

LEVEL 2----2,4,8----STANDARD LEVEL



You use this plan as follows. You ALWAYS begin at level two, if you win 5 games in a row. You drop to level one and stay there until you lose. Then repeat.

The idea is regarding the first suggestion, double losses seldom happen. And with the second suggestion. Most winning streaks are at least 5 games long. So by dropping down after 5 games. You are protecting your gains from the inevitable loss ahead.

If you hit a sweet run you just collect additional profits, with the peace of mind that your first 4 games secured the progression.

PATTERN BREAKER is a grinder with the occasional joy of seeing some wonderful winning streaks.
The player MUST NOT raise his stakes too fast. That was the problem with some of you guys when you first tried this method out. It was winning well so you tried to grow ahead of your bankrolls growth. And when you hit a bad spell got a good hiding. And of course lost faith and interest in the method. Ideally your total BR should be at LEAST 20 times the size of your progression.

So if you are using 1,2,4. You MUST have at least 140 UNITS TO START.

PATTERN BREAKER is about using all three tenets of success in harmony. And faithfully. If you do this LONGTERM. You will reap the rewards. 7 UNITS will never ever buy a better method. I promise you that. 

Quote from: Gizmotron on January 26, 2013, 04:51:21 PM
Take that, all you naysayers of the Elegant Pattern. Unless you have the IQ of a good round of golf, anyone could have become a millionaire with this. That ends this argument forever.

Anyone could have become a millionaire betting on a repeater. BUT you have to know its going to happen. Nobody knows.

Quote from: TwoCatSam on January 26, 2013, 06:25:27 PM
Now, John, I like that!  Any you probably answered it for me before.

Thanks!

Sam

Okay Sam you are welcome.

Quote from: TwoCatSam on January 26, 2013, 05:38:21 PM
Not raggin' in John, but the question still nags me.  Why does a man living in the UK need Superman to loan him a BV account?

Free people in the UK can open accounts anywhere, can't they?

Sam

Sam its for verification purposes. Superman has the account to make sure I can't cheat by loading in more funds for example if I were to get wiped out. That's the reason.

Quote from: MarignyGrilleau on January 26, 2013, 01:59:49 PM
I would love 2k too. Even 1k. I can wait until December, as by then it will be such a tiny fraction.

I thought you were already winning truckloads Marigny. You and ralph have it wrapped up. Or that was my understanding. Ralph has botterized the RNG world. Tiny fraction for who?. Superman gets 50% all the way. 2K is the minumum. If all goes to plan.

By December ill be on his Xmas card list.