Quote from: AMK on December 17, 2012, 12:42:11 AM
Wow, since 1993 dino.


Do you have any stats etc. you might remember over this period?


Could you talk a little more about how many games per day you played, methods, MM etc.




ps
Hope not to go off topic JL.

No worries AMK its all good. Dino is right, in its purest form that's what we would do.

I got my alltime best results with PB playing just HIGH LOW for just 5 games a day.

Quote from: dino246 on December 16, 2012, 02:51:35 PM
Hi all you PB players....enjoying reading all the observations to IMPROVE this great concept.

Would advise only playing LIVE DEALER at Smart Live.

There is a nagging doubt regarding their Autowheel/Airball.

I've been using them on/off for 2 years now.

Preferance is given to Supercasino Live Dealer.

Hope this helps.
Dino.

Thanks for the advice Dino, I use airball occasionally. But I've heard others voice opinions of doubt too.

Quote from: Trebor on December 16, 2012, 12:56:44 PM
It's a real wheel and I've not heard anyone question it although I've heard Smartlive haven't got an unblemished record regarding payouts etc.

I'll just do H & L as you suggest but since I was playing each EC in every session I don't see that makes it "chopping between even chances" .

Trebor

Playing all 3 even chances didn't work for me Trebor. And its not working too good for you either. that's why I suggest the change.

You should see a longtern improvement.

Quote from: Trebor on December 16, 2012, 10:41:00 AM
JL,

I'm testing (on paper) as I thought you were playing.

If every time I get poor results you turn round and say I need to change my methods there is no point me going on.

I'm not going to test on a live wheel in real time but this is what I propose to do.

Smartlive (autowheel) make available the last 185 numbers. I'll log on and play a session using only high and low once a day.
Please say if this is unsuitable in your opinion.

Trebor

I don't know Smartlive. But if it's a real wheel it should be fine. You are not changing the method Trebor simply going with what my results show me is the strongest way to play it. All I want to see is if this improves things for you too.
I couldnt rise above 10/1 for a long time playing both HIGH LOW and ODD EVEN. And going back to my original way. All of a sudden im 13/1.

You should see improvement from 7/1. The reason is you are not chopping between even chances going with the first one to qualifiy anymore. You are LOCKED into one E/C. And I know for a fact longer winning streaks will result from doing this.
You will still get your short streaks. But at some point you will lock in on a 20 plus streak. And it could go to stellar heights. Taking your strikerate above 7/1 for sure.


Chauncy47 is running at 13/1 playing HIGH LOW and ODD EVEN. ON A REAL B&M double zero wheel. I couldnt match that on a single zero wheel. But playing HIGH LOW on its own I can. You go with what works BEST for you. ALWAYS.

Quote from: Robeenhuut on December 16, 2012, 10:19:13 AM
I think that Subby plays O/E as well and Mister Tarantino had the best strike rate on R/B. 

Yes but neither of them have two winning streaks of at least 24 games back to back either Matt. Or a streak over 100.

I proofed PB on just HIGH LOW. My results since I brought in ODD EVEN haven't touched what I got in the beginning. So I am back to my original way. And already its improved my strikerate from being stuck at 10/1 for a long time to 13/1.

Quote from: Trebor on December 16, 2012, 09:59:56 AM
I started my test playing on BV single zero as you described at the time.

I'll play along and do as you say but don't change the rules again please.

Trebor

Trebor you should never be precious over how you play a method. That's a fatal mistake made by many. You go with the best way. I started out playing PB on just HIGH LOW. So that is the original way. And I now believe best way.

My results have improved already since dropping ODD EVEN. I never favoured playing RED BLACK. That was an experiment to see if I could get close to Pilots numbers. IT didn't WORK. If something isn't working you don't stay with it.

I know how I proofed this method since I started playing it. And I have never improved upon that. And that is playing just HIGH LOW. For ideally 5 games a day.
So I think you should have a go at the ORIGINAL way to play the method. Your strikerate should improve. Im also no longer on BV. Im playing 100% live now on PADDY POWER. So I know I am getting fair results. there's no doubt in my mind.

Quote from: Trebor on December 16, 2012, 09:46:30 AM
@JL

Can't see how that info will alter reality but I'll go through the figures. I will say this, using progression I was reasonably up until the two double losses. Well that's progressions for you.

@ Subby.

I'm not doing a regular 1, 2 or 3 a day, just as and when.
Started beginning of November so averaging about 6 a day. That's two sessions playing all three EC's.

However I am playing hit and run. It looks to me like you're wanting to blame me for my poor results. As JL responded to me once I can only post the results I'm getting.

Trebor

Trebor, try dropping ODD EVEN and RED BLACK. And just play HIGH LOW as I am doing. I will be very surprised if your strikerate doesn't go up over the next 100 games. 

RESULTS UPDATE FOR PATTERN BREAKER FOR JL CHALLENGE FOR 16/12/12

TOTAL GAMES PLAYED 85

TOTAL GAMES WON 79

TOTAL GAMES LOST 6

STRIKERATE 13.16/1

DOUBLE LOSSES ZERO

LONGEST WINNING STREAK 28--HIGH LOW

CURRENT WINNING STREAK 24--HIGH LOW

Since reverting back to my original way of playing PB. And only playing HIGH LOW. I have achieved something I haven't done in over 18 months, since I started playing both HIGH LOW and ODD EVEN.

And that is have two back to back winning streaks over 20 games. This has taken my strikerate up to over 13/1. Again a place I haven't been in the same period of time. This appears to be the strongest way to play the method. The sacrifice of time pays off in increased strikerate. Which saves time in the longrun on recouping losses.

Quote from: subby on December 16, 2012, 12:15:41 AM
90%+ of speramus spins are airball table on paddypower. I play it as I need the 50p option for insurance. Sports roulette isn't on early in the morning when I play so I use airball at that time. Sports table is the only other table with 50p bets allowed. The other tables are £1 minimum

Mmmm that's interesting Subby. Your strikerate has been pretty good. But could it be better if more live games were played? I am ONLY playing the sports table at the moment. And I have won 16 straight games on there playing just HIGH LOW.

Quote from: spike on December 15, 2012, 10:17:32 PM
Why, it could be a year before all those math degree
guys are set straight by you. Maybe even 2 years.
The Zone, that was just a bad deal, but you've got
the bull by the horns now. I can see it, Man of the
Year on the cover of Time magazine.

Don't you see that too, in your more lucid moments?
You still have lucid moments, don't you? But really,
how would you know. Forget I asked...

The ZONE is no bad deal. Bull by the horns? You must be an American. Im not after fame and glory. No one will ever know me. This isn't going to change anything outside of these forums. All its going to prove is IT CAN BE DONE.

I still won't be able mold any individual for success. They either have what it takes or they don't. That will never change.

Quote from: spike on December 15, 2012, 09:45:39 PM
Yeah, the experts are dopes, what do they know. Just
wait till July and you'll show em, you'll show em all. You'll
turn the gambling world on its ear, that's what you'll do.
In July. Or August at the latest. Maybe mid September,
but the point is, the math heads will be calling you sir,
and the casinos will be your servants.

In July. Or maybe a little later.........

Its ongoing. July is the point most people realize I am for real. The penny drops for all when PADDYPOWER close me down. When they realize if they don't, they will lose a fortune. Maybe, just maybe even a few of the more stubborn champions of math tells all about random school. Will realize at that point.

Its not ALL SET IN STONE. That's the reason I do this. And no other reason.

Quote from: spike on December 15, 2012, 07:24:31 PM
You know, when you make comments like this that are
just totally wrong, you have the potential for hurting
people who play for real money and might believe you
know what you're talking about.

Variance plays NO favorites with anybody. It has nothing
to do with how much you bet or how long you play. You
can bet once every two days and variance will kill you
sometimes. Variance isn't an idea, it isn't a myth, it isn't
something you fool by being clever. Any real player that
says he isn't affected by variance is a liar, plain and simple.

Variance means your edge isn't high enough for you
to avoid inevitable losing streaks. The BJ counter who has
a 2% edge over the casino, and plays full time, can expect
a profit at years end. But in that year of playing, he can also
expect losing streaks that last for weeks, sometimes months.
He can lose half his bankroll. And he has the edge!

Now imagine some poor guy who has a system that depends
on progressions and doesn't even have the edge. He can expect
devastating negative variance that might wipe out his whole
BR. It doesn't matter if he sits and grind for hours, or plays hit
and run. Variance plays no favorites.

Saying you're not affected because you 'don't stay there long enough
to be hurt' is the talk of somebody who's never seen real casino play
in his life.

Spike we have to agree to dis-agree. You have far too much reverence and respect for random. I have enough. But if you have too much you will never beat this game. Your mind will be locked into the theories that say NO IT CANNOT BE BEATEN LONGTERM.

I have been playing this game for nearly 20 years. I have seen it all, if I say something works for me IT WORKS. End of story. You can make of it what you like. But don't try to tell me I don't know what im talking about. You have never given a working model to this forum for anyone to test and fail. Until you do, you are simply offering theories of no real substance.

Its your take on random and its behaviour. But its not set in rock. And it doesn't mean everyone else will fail if they don't hang on your every word. This fact you must absorb. The edge is created from H.A.R and MM. With a low buy in method like PATTERN BREAKER.

With another method that has a very powerful strikerate. The edge is already there. All you do is apply H.A,R to avoid travelling towards a loss. And your winning potential can be incredible. This talk of edge, house edge puts unecessary restraint and fear in peoples minds, Its overrated. If your method works, it works. No house edge or negative expectancy is going to change that.

Quote from: Gizmotron on December 15, 2012, 07:38:50 PM
JL
Please explain how you come up with 242 / 1 odds with your version of hit and run?

THIS IS YOUR CHANCE TO PROVE EVERYTHING.

Please don't pass this up. I'm convinced that it's only 7.4 to 1.

Giz im not talking about PATTERN BREAKER. I have three main methods I use these days. The one I speak of isn't known to many on this forum yet. Its called 7 ON 1. It has odds of 242/1

Sounds expensive and its for people who have a decent sized BR. But its potential?? that's something else.

Quote from: subby on December 15, 2012, 08:33:28 PM
if it can be done on airball can it be done on the live spin wheel with the person spinning the wheel?

I am playing airball just now and this thread concerns me a bit...

Subby how many games of PB have you played on Airball. And what is the breakdown. I've never fully trusted airball myself. But its better than an RNG. And the results have no real difference for me compared to live wheels.

The thing that tells me if something isn't right is my strikerate. And you have to consider this. If they could make these things cheat. Who will they cheat against? The guy laying 50 quid on a straight. Or the guy laying 5 quid on an even chance. This makes the argument for H.A.R for me, get in there and play the games and come out.

Quote from: Gizmotron on December 15, 2012, 03:32:36 PM
His average winning streak is posted, it's 7.1/1 . It's right in there with the 7.4/1 expected result.

Oh how did I miss that? Let me reword the question. Trebor what has been your longest winning streak. AND MOST COMMON winning streak before loss?. Not your OVERALL average.

So for example how many times did you win say 3 games before you lost and so forth?