Quote from: spike on November 28, 2012, 08:41:33 PM
Then I'm probably next, I guess. I just have
a low tolerance for nonsense. How many times
did we see this 3 and 4 and 5 years ago. Somebody
comes along with the Grail and squaks about it
for months about how he'll change the game forever,
until he finally peters out and disappears forever.

If what you do doesn't beat the edge, you're done.
Sad but true..

Spike im going nowhere. You and Giz amd many more carry on thinking as you do. I will carry on winning.

The fact Giz keeps harking on about a three step marty shows how backward your thinking is. I could make PB work with level stakes. Digression. ANYTHING.

Because it WORKS plain and simple. The bet selection married to H.A.R is a winner. Simple as that. And it will be PROVEN. Beyond doubt over the coming years. 

Quote from: spike on November 28, 2012, 07:09:02 PM
All systems can win at one time or another.
The big question is, does Pattern Breaker
beat the house edge? It most certainly does
not, therefore in the scheme of things its just
a hobby system. To win consistently you need
an edge greater than the casinos, its really
that simple. And that difficult.

You are thinking OLD Spike. Your thinking is the reason 99% of players will LOSE.

Imagine a person was introduced to the game. They knew nothing of negative expectancy, house edge, gamblers fallacy. They were sinply given a method (SAY PATTERN BREAKER) told how to play it.

And played and won. They kept playing and winning for 1,2,3,4 years. Now you know where my mindset is. I washed all the negative thinking out of my head and started afresh. And until you do that. You are going NOWHERE.

Quote from: Chauncy47 on November 28, 2012, 07:14:39 PM
Hi JL ... I have an amazing run of PB going right now and will post stats for you to see, hopefully tomorrow.  I always like to mention that I don't just play PB.  I mix it up and play PB, P4, Code 4, D&C and even a bit or warrior's Hybrid D&C and a few others ... I hit randomness from so many different sides that is plays really well to the H&R strategy.  It's just my opinion and it's working for me

Look forward to that Chauncy47. And to ALL the people who don't know this. Chauncy has to overcome the daddy of them ALL. The DOUBLE ZERO U.S WHEEL. 

Quote from: Gizmotron on November 28, 2012, 03:19:41 PM
Let's do some simple brain storming. It takes two hours to play 60 spins. Add to that an average hit and run interval of another hour and you got three hours per session. You might average three sessions per day. Let's say that you played five days a week. That comes to 15 sessions per week. If you don't take any time off then you get 780 sessions per year. At a rate of three sessions per day you could only reach 3100+ sessions in the past 4 years. I believe you claimed 6,000 sessions. I also assume that in the last four years of this working that you never bothered to clean out the casinos. Instead, you came to these forums to explain your success and give guidance to your followers. My favorite of all being the meaning you explain for common superstition. Something does not add up. In fact, something smells fishy.

Giz you are out of touch, I could play 25 games a day if I want to. Its called Live online. the ball spins every 30 seconds. You track the marker board there's 20 odd numbers waiting for you already.
Sometimes I can get a game in 3 MINUTES. Because 7 patterns are already formed or about to be formed. You have several tables to swap between. Get the picture??

You have a problem with me Giz that's fine. You are out to discredit me since I landed here. You are concerned not about me but the bigger picture. MATHS, your ego. What you believe in now for years is on the line.

But Subbys going to show you. Then I will too. And you can't discredit RESULTS. there's a guy who owns half a dozen forums. He sells gimmick computers for horrendous sums of money.

If it gets out that a simple method like PATTERN BREAKER. Can win. How foolish does not only he but the people who spent all that money feel? You all bought into the maths explains all theory.

I didn't, now you know why I come here. You get a Subby or Chauncy47 very rarely. I can't even come close to their discipline. If you had 10,000 players like them this games in BIG TROUBLE.

They don't buy into the math explains ALL theory either. And they are going win a heap as a result. If I even open the minds of one out of evey 500 people who read my threads. I've accomplished what I set out to do.

To answer your queerie why don't I cream the casinos. Again you are out of touch. This isn't hollywood. If you let them know you can take them. They close you out. The smart player is the one nobody notices. But he takes what he needs and goes.

The loud mouth player who lets everyone and the kitcken sink know he can win a fortune isn't going to last long.

Its okay Giz, you will keep trying. But the results will keep COMING. Until the day comes where even normally indifferent minds start asking questions.

Like wait a minute, How come they told us this game of negative expectancy could not be beaten longterm. But these guys are doing it MONTH IN, MONTH OUT?? as Subby says. Keep on keeping on.

Quote from: Bayes on November 28, 2012, 03:47:53 PM
@ John,

What worries me is that IF you consistently fail to get results in the challenge, you will then turn round and say: "it's because BV are cheats!".

It just seems like a get-out clause which you can always fall back on. But I still think you deserve credit for taking it up in the first place. You were doing ok with my RNG after a shaky start. The sooner I get something else set up, the better. I'm working on it...

Bayes consider this, I can beat the fun mode anytime I want to staking sums that wiped the other guys out in real mode. Now what im feeling Bayes is BV don't cheat on a low level. But on a higher level it looks suspect.

So if I play smaller and make 200 euro over a greater time span have I failed? Its the time limit I've never been comfortable with Bayes.

But I don't intend to leave it on an RNG Bayes. I want to go live too eventually. Ill do it all. The RNG is just stage 1.

Quote from: Gizmotron on November 28, 2012, 02:17:13 PM
That proof I provided, that you so easily dismissed, had a stretch of ten sessions, at hit and run tactics, that dropped to a 2.3 / 1 hit rate. When you get normal randomness results like that you might want to consider that it's just part and parcel of the game and not some casino targeting you with some cheating conspiracy.

So now tell me why I've never dropped below 5/1 in 4 years live Giz? Only had 8 double losses out of a potential 572.

NEVER run into a treble LIVE. Im telling you straight. No simulation can duplicate what I experience hitting 5 different tables for one pop at a time. No way. It simply cannot.

Quote from: Bally6354 on November 28, 2012, 02:11:39 PM
What makes me laugh is some casinos I visit have a £5 minimum bet on the dozens/columns and yet 10p on the inside numbers. You could just bet 6 splits at 10p each and cover any dozen or column you wanted for 60p. Works great if you are a progression fanatic.

I was going to start playing at BV this week on the no zero wheel but this thread has talked me out of it. There are plenty of live wheels out there. I would rather up the bets and play a slower game than risk any dodgy goings on with RNG software.

I have read threads on a few gambling forums where some long term posters have a lot of statistical analaysis showing the percentages are way more in favour of the casino than what they should be. Some of these are not just the disreputable firms you read about either.

At least we have the choice to play where we see fit. I would always go by the rule that if it doesn't feel right, don't play!

I get that feeling with a few 'live' dealer wheels as well. Namely the 'supercasino' studio live dealer wheel and the 'smartlive' autowheel. Just my opinion.

Brilliant idea Bally. Right I shall become a nightmare for BET365 now and unleash the FIVE LOL!!!

Quote from: Bally6354 on November 28, 2012, 01:47:12 PM

The devils advocate in me says that you could win 6/10 even money bets playing pennies and the guy betting £5 wins 4/10. That makes it a 50/50 game.

The casino get rich and the players betting pennies think they are going to get rich and start betting £5.....you know the rest. 

Of course I could be completely wrong and hope I am.

I will answer that over the next 8 weeks. What if you don't raise to 5 pounds. Just grind out the wins at a lower level?

I will see. 

Quote from: Tarantino on November 28, 2012, 06:18:27 AM
I play at Ladbrokes, Paddypower, 888 , William Hill. I mix it up a little.

I have tried playing PB on days off about 8-10 times a day, and u always seem to lose one, which didn't help. So my idea is to just play for 3 units ( 3x 25 ) and log off. Always seem to win at first bets !

I play at 2 of the online casino's and win 2 x 3 units, but thinking of just trying to win 2 units on 2 casino's now.  I want to test PB , Tarantino style and mirror image in full.

My thinking behind just playing for 6 units is if you lose in one of them 6 games i will play an extra 2 to recover my loss. So ill take that day as earning nothing !

But if i can win 3 days out of 7 my winnings will be 3 x £ 175.00  £525.00.... And im so sure most weeks winning 3 out of 7 days is possible !

I like your thinking Tarantino. Less is more wiith this method. It really is...

Quote from: malcop on November 28, 2012, 01:38:25 PM
This goes back to what I have said in previous posts, "I feel more comfortable playing live dealer only"


May be RNG is too random if there is such a thing as been too random 

Or maybe its not random enough Malcop, LOL that's the other possibility. Either way.

I will do everything I can to beat it over the next two months. it's a challenge.

Quote from: Gizmotron on November 28, 2012, 03:38:35 AM
I don't think that BV cheated anyone. I think that fundamentalist Pattern Breaker players came up with another magical explanation for another normal random occurrence.

Giz that's not what we are talking about here. A method that delivers 10/1--12/1 playing for pennies. Suddenly starts delivering 6/1 playing for Euros. Im giving them the benefit of the doubt.

Because I have played this method more than anyone else, I have seen randoms ebb and flow over a large sample.

Yes it can draw down to 5/1--6/1. BUT IT NEVER STAYS THERE.

I will repeat, IT NEVER STAYS THERE. So, If I never see a winning streak of 10 or more games. When playing for pennies I was getting streaks over 30.

There is definately something wrong. Look at what SUBBY is getting playing on a fair live wheel.

That's all you have to do. he gets streaks of 5 and 7. BUT, also 13. And is currently 15 plus.

Exactly what I've experienced over the last 4 years.

And exactly why I argue these points with you in the first place. EXPERIENCE is priceless.

Quote from: bcboilermaker on November 28, 2012, 05:05:03 AM

Hi. john


In a few days I will continue with playing PB at BV
Tho I will play less aggressively, I know I pushed PB  to its limits at  BV and it bit back!
That is fine !  It is learning experience, Some may say learning the hard way, but for me I have to try it, and see for it my own eyes.


For now I will just play live, BV was to tempting to just keep playing.


learning the game for me  is similar to my welding career, you have try things any number of ways. even purposely doing things wrong so you, can understand why and how things are the way they are.

Bc the main thing is you know you can win with this. If I win 200 euro on BV. I will gaurd it preciously.

I think there's no question its harder to win betting 20 euro stakes instead of 20p stakes. I've been thinking why does a company like BV let you bet pennies when another company BET365 has a minumum bet of £5 on their RNG for the outside bets.

Quote from: Twisteruk on November 27, 2012, 09:48:01 PM
2 Euro

The difference btwn 50 cents and Euro's is amazin

Plz kick me in the nads if I ever say Im playin there again lol 

Well im going to prove just that Twister. I will play at both levels. What about 8 ON 1 Twister. How was that doing on BVNZ?

Quote from: Twisteruk on November 27, 2012, 09:37:18 PM
Yep I said it before about a year or two back but I let my guard down and went back coz its faster and no zero

Im never playing there again as the strike falls through the floor when you up the ante

Like I said, its my own fault. I will recover it all on Paddypower 

Twister what were you staking, when BVNZ showed you the near impossible?

Quote from: Twisteruk on November 27, 2012, 09:34:45 PM
Oh, I am awake. that's how I noticed BV changes when you increase your stake

I don't try to find patterns, they find me.

Im totally with Twister on this. Because I could go on the fun mode. And beat it night and day at any level of staking. WHY? Because there's no real loot on the line.

Now im not saying 100% BV cheat once you are playing at decent levels. But Since Sunday Shogun, Bcboilermaker and now Twister have worrying experiences to share with us.

I will honour my challenge and play on. I know there's a different way to get around this RNG. I think on the job. Going head first into the storm won't do it. If im runniing at 6/1 playing euros. When I was 12/1 playing pennies.

I've got to mix it up in both worlds. If this thing cheats at higher levels it then becomes absolutely obvious.