Quote from: Trebor on November 25, 2012, 12:41:57 PM
In a strange sort of way it's a small crumb of comfort that you've had some bad luck Shogun.


Not being funny and I hope it picks up for you, but that's the sort of thing that happens to me.


In the last two days I've had a few losses. Not back to back but it's knocked my strike rate for six.


Trebor

Trebor are you playing ONLY on BV single zero?

Quote from: shogun on November 25, 2012, 10:48:38 AM
It is not a good morning for me.
Now had a double loss on live table. My first one. I had increased the second bet to recover quicker.
A treble and a double the same morning 
that's it for today.

Bad days happen Shogun. Personaly I wouldn't have gone so heavy on BV after just starting. My play today on BV got off to a bad start. I lost the first game on ODD EVEN AGAIN. But it was due to a zero.

Pulled back 2 sevenths of the loss on HIGH LOW which has been my keeper today. THEN lost again on ODD EVEN after doubling stakes, taking me about 5 euro into the red. High Low again came through for me.

Then had dual qualifiers with HIGH LOW---ODD EVEN and they BOTH WON pulling me back to Level.. Then won the next three games.

To leave me about 5 points down for the day. But still 5 points in profit overall.

And in tracking saw 16 blacks. So its all going on today. Its only because I raise and lower stakes that im only 5 points down today after basically losing 21.  So here is where things stand overall.

UPDATE FOR PATTERN BREAKER ON BV FOR 25/11/2012

TOTAL GAMES PLAYED 202

TOTAL GAMES WON 186

TOTAL GAMES LOST 16

STRIKERATE APPROX 11/1

DOUBLE LOSSES 1

TREBLE LOSSES ZERO

LONGEST WINNING STREAK 47 (RED BLACK)

CURRENT LONGEST STREAK 19 (HIGH LOW)

Quote from: shogun on November 25, 2012, 09:06:13 AM



Thanks for the advice. I will stay with BV a little longer playing for smaller units. More as a test than anything. If i am happy with results i will continue. I may have been very unlucky time will tell.
I do think it maybe be best to leave out Red/Black as i have had more losses with it than the other 2 EC's together.

Does anyone know if there are other playtech casinos that use different tables to Titan or Eurogrand. The tables they use are Aphrodite and Vesta?

There are two players in the Playtech arena Shogun. The ones you mentioned are used by BETFRED and WILLIAM  (POOR LOSER)  HILL. To my knowledge aswell as others like you stated.

Then there's another feed also Latvian/Lithuanian based? Used by PADDY POWER--LADBROKES. And some other online UK bookmakers. And they are excellent. PADDYPOWER is the best online alround casino IMO. 

Quote from: Robeenhuut on November 25, 2012, 08:39:49 AM
Shogun

This is roulette. Just use a common sense here. You lost on BV 3 times with PB in one session. That never happened to John or Pilot. I think that BV already discovered that it may be a winning method and started cheating. And i would stay with R/B.
Pilot played all 3 EC's and had 180 wins in a row. Good luck.

Hello Matt I hope youre wrong. Welcome to the forum 

Quote from: shogun on November 25, 2012, 08:27:02 AM
Great thanks for your help John.

You are very welcome Shogun. Your confidence and knowing what to expect grows with time and experience.

That's why I don't worry about Subby for example. He will get wherever he wants to go. If he sticks to the task. Random doesn't do things evenly. Its OVERALL you look for. Longterm. When you get that 15 plus winning streak.

And it goes past 20, 25 possibly even 30. I've had them. So start to wonder when its going to lose. Get on top of a 40 plus. And you know why you play H.A.R 

Quote from: shogun on November 25, 2012, 08:16:05 AM
I stopped playing Red/Black live. Thought i would try it on BV. I will drop it here as well.
John so you play for a 1 unit win and then what? When do you play your next game?

Thanks.

Okay I do play the double. But no trebles. I log in play for ONE WIN and logout. Come back later and play another. Im 192/14 doing it that way.

I had 7 patterns in 21 spins yesterday so doubled stakes. If I lose a game I will double stakes for the next couple of games.

I've never lost the first game of the day twice in a row EVER live or RNG. So today I would expect to win my FIRST GAME. All these things you consider.

Quote from: shogun on November 25, 2012, 07:45:32 AM
Hi John,
I think you maybe right. I could have entered the game at the wrong time.
I will not give up on BV just yet. I will lower my unit value and play for a 1 unit win. See what the results look like.
I was playing with 5 euro units so it was a total loss of 105 euros.
Live is still going well 

Live will always go well Shogun. I have a 4 year history with it. it's a winner. Yes my only doubt about BV is what happens when you rise to higher staking.

While you are playing with pennies or smaller stakes 1 or 2 euros. I don't think they will bother with you. But from 5 euros up? Time will tell.

So yes play the 1 euro bets, and stay with it and see if your overall strikerate after say 100 games is somewhere in the region you expect. DROP RED BLACK THOUGH. DROP IT. 

Quote from: shogun on November 25, 2012, 06:41:48 AM
Hi Guys,
I thought i would give Betvoyager a try. Played my first game on the European table yesterday and won on 3 EC bets. Played a game later on the no-zero table and again won all 3 EC bets 
I thought great i have somewhere else to play. Fired up the European table this morning and had a TRIPLE LOSS. All 3 EC's lost in the same game, my first game 

I have not had a double loss live. Not sure i should play on BV again with PB.
Sooooooo annoyed with myself 

Shogun that doesn't make me feel too confident as I am playing my challenge on there. Hard to believe. How much did you stake?

don't give up just yet Shogun, im playing on there and its been very fair since I started. Even now I am playing for Euros I am 12/1. You were incredibly unlucky to land on that. But you may not ever hit it  again.

What im doing is playing for one win then closing down now. My original way, I lost my very first game yesterday on ODD EVEN. Said okay, doubled stakes and won on HIGH LOW. Then came back five more times and recovered the loss and went to a new high..

So stay with it for a while. Twister sums it up perfectly. With LIVE you definately know random beat you. With RNG there's always a slight doubt. I've never felt I was being cheated.

If it kept throwing double losses or trebles at me. Then you know somethings wrong. But my overall strikerate is 12/1. After 192 games. And that's EXACTLY what I expect it to be around.

So my advice Shogun is PLAY ON. But just play for single wins then shut down. 

Quote from: Chauncy47 on November 24, 2012, 08:28:15 PM

I agree with everything you said JL.  Today was a classic example of "most" players I observe down at the casino.  I sat down next to a gentleman and he is aggresively and nervously puffing away on cig betting inside on as many numbers as he feels will hit.  I sat next to him for almost 20 minutes before I placed my first bet, which was on HIGH...and it lost.   

Placed my second bet on HIGH again and won.

During this whole event, this guy pealed out ...I have no idea how many twenties and kept playing, so I thought I would hang out and observe either this guys breaking point or a great comeback.  It wasn't another 7 minutes and he lost that too, he stood up, spoke the f-word to himself and left the table. 

I see that so many times week in and week out.  That guy is still scratching his head ...

Patience, Confidence, Staying Power, Discipline, Creativity .... are all ingredients in the Hit & Run recipie.

That's it Chauncy47. He is what the casinos expect and WANT. We don't give them what they want.

Quote from: Ralph on November 24, 2012, 02:37:01 PM
Pb how it works or not, I do not want to take up here, but I use to win that small faster. Using a bet real and not wait for 60 spins.
I can not image how it will make any profit, may be profit but according to what I have seen it takes very long time. Even if it gives a plus how much?  My personal view is it will not working, but I have not tested it deep at all I have not even  done any test. I think waiting, and waiting for a "trigger" is good in that sense you do not risk any at most of the spins.  I test some of this kind of  methods, and they may work or not.  If you got the numbers which suit it, that's depend of if you are lucky to get it. I do not think there are any sure ways, you got to have some luck. There are better or worse ways, so using a method  that's to do. How can any like to spend a month to get a few, is such method ever useful?

Ralph, you know the only reason in my opinion that this game is thought of as unbeatable longterm by the masses. Is humans inherent lack of PATIENCE and STAYING POWER.

You just gave the EXACT reason the majority will never know any different. This works longterm because of the discipline to wait for random to create your bet for you. Instead of Going straight to the table and betting on say red or whatever gives you a quick fix. But when it goes wrong you lose it all.

I can't tell you how many times I saw the fool who thought for example random couldnt show him 12 reds or blacks 12 odds or evens, A dozen sleep for 20 spins. Or a dozen get hit 8 times in a row.That gambler that waits for 3 or 4 reds. Then starts his martingale.

He wins again and again and again. Maybe a 100--200 times in a row. Then it happens staring him in the face is 13--14--15-16 or more of his nightmare. it's a stiff drink at the bar time. The total wipeout came saw and conquered.

Why I wait Ralph is simple. IT WORKS. I will happily take a consistent 10/1 month in month out over quick wins and then a total wipeout. In my experience you have to WAIT TO WIN.

All three of the methods that have given me the best results I have yet seen have one thing in common. They WAIT for RANDOM. And there's something re-assuring about doing so. It would appear to me to be the true key to beating this game.

And the reason the 1% will win. While the 99% scratch their head and leave the casino with a face like a pug dog chewing a hornets nest. 

Quote from: Trebor on November 24, 2012, 04:18:58 PM
JL,

This has probably been asked and answered before but I can't find it.

When you have a double loss do you take it on the chin or up the stakes betting against a treble loss?

Trebor.

I would bet to recover a portion of the loss on the third even chance. This is why I track all three live.

Even though I only play HIGH LOW---ODD EVEN.. Lets say red black were to qualify before the other two and lost.

My confidence would now be very high that I am going to win one of the remaining two. And I would stake higher than normal.

I just lost a game on BV with odd even. And immediately recovered two sevenths of the loss on HIGH LOW. Im waiting for prime times to raise and lower stakes. This will make all the difference, even IF I get a low strikerate.

And if I get that nice 15 plus streak at some point. I am going to profit even more. 

Quote from: shogun on November 24, 2012, 03:39:50 PM




Hi John, that strike rate was for red and black only. Overall it was over 9/1. If i had not played black or red i think it would have been 13-14/1.
Still very happy so far and sticking to HAR.

Yes Shogun. You could hold 10--1 to 14--1 quite easily with PB. Anyone who plays it for over a 1000 games is going to see what its all about.

I've talked alot about PATIENCE over the last couple of years. But do you know what's just as important as PATIENCE?? STAYING POWER.

Being able to stay with a method during its not so glorious times. Knowing that longterm its going to deliver. Forums are loaded with system hoppers. People who as soon as they arent winning , winning, winning.

Abandon a very good method and move on. These kind of players ultimately get nowhere worth being in the long run. that's why you have to have that staying power to stick it out.

Its always the LONGTERM.

Heres something I want to put to you guys. One thing I agree with in what the detrators of H.A.R say is this.

You never know WHEN you enter the cycle IF it's a good or bad time. I've never had any argument with that.

What I have basically been trying to put across for nearly two years is THIS. No we don't know what randoms going to show us when we enter the cycle at random points.

But when its GOOD its going to surpass anything CONTINOUS PLAY will deliver. Its harder to gauge this on 7/1 odds such as PB works with.

But when you go bigtime 242/1 for example. As in the case of 8 ON 1. You start to realize H.A.Rs true significance. Landing on that loss is so much harder than travelling to meet it.

8 ON 1 played H.A.R could go years without losing. I can see someone starting to play it in 2012. And reporting a loss 3 years and several thousand wins later.

That's something you would never EVER be able to report. If you sat there and played a 1000 straight games.

Quote from: shogun on November 24, 2012, 03:04:50 PM

Yep you are right subby. I had to learn the hard way. I think i was running at 5.33/1 for Red/Black 
We will see how it goes now.

That's not good Shogun. But even if the strikerate was 5/1. I could make a profit with PB. And you all have to know on occasion, It could drop that low.


But H.A.R is a strange thing. Yes it can lose close together like continuos play. And it WILL.

But when it catches one of those 15 plus streaks. You understand its value. Im currently on a streak of 17 LIVE.

Before that I had two close losses.


Here is the last 50 odd games LIVE I've played, as an example of what H.A.R can deliver


5 WON 1 LOST. 4 WON 1 LOST. 9 WON 1 LOST. 13 WON 1 LOST. 3 WON 1 LOST. 2 WON 1 LOST. 17 WON---CURRENT.

Quote from: Chauncy47 on November 24, 2012, 02:03:31 PM
JL,  here is a quick snapshot of October/November results:   
280 Games Played.
Lost 11 total games and 9 were due to zero(s).  Lost 1 on  H/L and 1 of E/O.  I have had a good run over the past 60 days with PB.  So the zero's usually get to me before anything esle. *LOL*  I never play when the last pattern is HHH, LLL, OOO oe EEE and I never play R/B.  Had I played R/B, I certainly would have more losses.   The  amount of my opening bet is also based on the number of spins it took to get to the trigger.  For example, if the last pattern to form falls between 40 and 50 spins, my opening bet is much more aggressive, which is not often.   If I breach the 80 spin count, I start over.  Also, if I get a pattern that has formed 3 times in under 45 spins (doesn't happen often for me)  I will bet against it forming a 4th time.  Those are just a few observations that have worked for me that I can share.  I will pull the results for the past 6 months so you can a better picture of the stats.  If you stay in the "moment" or in the "now" so-to-speak, when you are playing this game and really observe everything that is going on and not just focus in on the one trigger you are waiting to occur, the game offers a lot of opportuity to challenge randomness on many different levels, but you just have to be in the moment, open your mind and be aware of everything going on!

Great stuff Chauncy47, red black are definately not as strong as the other two.


I realized this a long time ago. And yes betting against 3 of a kind the weakest of all the 8 patterns.


Chauncy47 the moderator Esoito has suggeested we space our posts out like I have done here.


It makes for easier reading. Great to have you onboard.

Quote from: Chauncy47 on November 24, 2012, 12:52:15 PM

Thank you very much!  Looking forward to a great year of roulette with everyone!!

Hi Chauncy47, can you start posting your stats for PB here please.


It will help to show others how you do against the toughest wheel of them all. And welcome. We now have just about all the best from the old forum.


Lets enjoy it while it lasts.