Quote from: Bayes on November 24, 2012, 09:29:43 AM
John, are you saying you've played 580 games without a single loss? 

Good luck with the challenge anyway.

Yes Bayes, that's where I am right now. Twister is even better than that on BVNZ. Its never been challenged once either Bayes. Was taken to step 4 of the progression only 3 times over that 580.


But never to the 5th step, this could never have happened if I played continuosly. Thanks I will enjoy the challenge now at a decent level.

Everyone knows well I sing the praises of H.A.R. Why? Because I am trying to be a clever clogs and laugh in the face of reason, logic. Hundreds of years of maths teachings? NO! I sing its praises for no other reason than it has worked for me.

I would also argue that Supermans BV challenge isn't of good merit. IT WASN'T. While I was piddling around with pennies. And lacking drive and focus to do what I know I am capable of.

Now, Superman can log in see CLEANLY  where I have tracked, and where I have bet. There will only ever be a maximum of 3 methods used. PATTERN BREAKER, FIVE and 8 ON 1. Each has its progression.

So it will be very easy to now see that I am winning OR losing. With those three methods. There are no smokescreens now. My minumum bet for PB will always be 0.50 EUROS. For FIVE and 8 ON 1 O.25 EUROS.

I've been saying for years I play and win using H.A.R as my key play strategy. And so it will be shown. Anyone who adheres to it faithfully will show favourable results longterm, so long as it's coupled with a decent bet selection.  And smart money management.

A method like 8 ON 1 will never need anything but a one level progression. Its already been shown that 8 ON 1 would struggle to win even 200 straight games.

Against a large sample of static numbers  played H.A.R I am now 580/0 and Twister even more. There is the argument for H.A.R right there.

The bigger the odds, the more effective it will be. 

Quote from: shogun on November 23, 2012, 07:07:54 PM
RESULTS UPDATE FOR PATTERN BREAKER 23/11/12

TOTAL GAMES PLAYED 102

TOTAL GAMES WON 91

TOTAL GAMES LOST 11

STRIKERATE 9.27/1

DOUBLE LOSSES ZERO

TREBLE LOSSES ZERO

LONGEST WINNING STREAK 37

Hi Guys,

Another update. I have stopped playng Red/Black as i have had 6 losses and only 5 to the other 2 EC's. My strike rate would have been better not playing Red/Black.
Still very happy.

Shogun.

Hi Shogun. Yes red and black can bring you down in Strikerate, lets see how you do now leaving it out. Well done mate. 

RESULTS UPDATE FOR PATTERN BREAKER ON BV FOR 23/11/2012

TOTAL GAMES PLAYED 180

TOTAL GAMES WON 167

TOTAL GAMES LOST 13

STRIKERATE APPROX 12/1

DOUBLE LOSSES 1

TREBLE LOSSES ZERO

LONGEST WINNING STREAK 47 (RED BLACK)

CURRENT LONGEST STREAK 12 (ODD EVEN)

Well as you can see I was hit by my first double loss on BV. Now that I am playing at the new high level. Things are going to get done alot faster. Moving the wheel is no longer an issue. The strikerate has now settled firmly into expected territory. Holding at around 12/1. Next update around the 200 game mark. 

Quote from: atlantis on November 23, 2012, 04:49:46 PM
CODE 8 DC
=========
This is a development idea or extension stemming from the popular "CODE 4" system.
Track 8 numbers and record in format: D D C C D D C C    (D=doz; C=col)

Example Numbers: 14, 7, 26, 33, 15, 6, 36, 35

These translate into format:
2 1 B C 2 1 C B

Now bet against all VERTICAL repeats happening underneath (or quit when in profit)

Progression: 1-1,2-2,3-3,4-4 etc....
Reset if level or ahead.
If still behind after a win stay at current level of progression.

Example:
2 1 B C 2 1 C B
2 2 C B 3 3 B A     L2, w2, w1, w1, w1, w1, w1, w1 = +6 

Now begin tracking new 8 results for next game.
A.

Great to see you making your mark on this forum Atlantis. You are one of the most open minded thinkers out there.

This is fascinating. Really worth looking into. Well done. Im going to keep an eye on this while playing FIVE and 8 ON 1. Cheers. 

Quote from: subby on November 23, 2012, 07:49:37 AM
ok thanks

btw that's an early start for you posting that lol

I rise 5 everyday Subby 

Quote from: bcboilermaker on November 23, 2012, 12:24:56 AM
Hi Subby.


for my self, I consider a double loss as losing both HL and EO, in the same game session.

That's right B.C, its losing both in the same session.

Quote from: bcboilermaker on November 22, 2012, 08:48:25 PM
yes, interesting stats john.




   I have been playing the hell out of BV, really over playing the system. I realize that!  seeing how far  I can push it. So its all good!





but that being said I did have my first double loss this morning on BV.


   Although in hindsight, I probably never should have made the second bet.
firstly the game had gone passed 60 spins.
and the last two patterns to form against each other were HHH and LLL.




Was not a good bet!

Yes the worst pattern to end up with is 3 of the same. If an even chance is trending when that happens you can easily lose.


But I have overall faith in two constants. An overall strikerate of 10/1 snd a solid longterm recovery bet.

Live im on a very good run at the moment. 21 wins in a row beteeen HIGH LOW an ODD EVEN..

Quote from: bcboilermaker on November 22, 2012, 07:39:16 PM

Hi. John


Yes I definitely , play a more reasonable recovery. I try to win about half my first bet back.
My loss came  last night on game 25, it was on the second betting round , So the next few games I upped my bet and recovered easily.

It seems like 25-30 wins in a row is the threshold

Yes on BV that would seem to be the threshold. Live. I've broken the 100 barrier a few times. That was when I played ONLY HIGH LOW.

And only played 5 games a day max on different tables live B&M and live online combined. I've also been over the 40 barrier live a few times.

And on BV RED BLACK surprisingly racked up a streak of 47 games before it lost twice in 4 games. So this is how it can level out.

Im not fully confident in BV yet to risk treble stakes on the follow up bet to a losing game. Live I would bet that without thinking. Because it has the positive track record.

I will double after a loss when I resume play on Friday. And half stakes after 3 or 4 wins to protect profits. After a month if I can see a pattern very similar to live.

I will be encouraged to take more risk. BUT, you are right to have identified how good that second bet can be. I only have 8 losses on the follow up bet in 564 games over 4 years live.

My confidence and enthusiasm grows with longterm success with a method or strategy of play.

Quote from: bcboilermaker on November 22, 2012, 02:03:08 PM
playing Pilots Way.


5 euro base unit.


21 games won (42 bets) on both even chances, Zero losses.... I'm waiting for a loss then I will step up unit size.

It will come trust me B.C lol. When I started I had a dual winning  streak of  32


for HIGH LOW-- ODD EVEN. Now they're losing about 1 in 10. What I expect. I've also had my first double loss so be careful about raising too high.

Live I seldom lose two in a row, but its early days on BV.

Quote from: bcboilermaker on November 22, 2012, 12:56:53 PM
Playing pilots way, only  EO / HL . I'm 17 for 17 games played at betvoyager. alternating between , zero and no zero tables




That is 34 bets all won for 5 euro


Also FYI , I track zero, as low, black, and even.
just because I feel like tracking it that I still have a good strike rate!

That's some impressive stats B.C. I wonder how Shogun and Tarantino are doing.

Im travelling at mo, so no play. When I get back on friday. I will resume my fresh assault on BV with bigger stakes.lets see if I can hold onto 14/1.

Quote from: Twisteruk on November 19, 2012, 06:45:14 PM
If its with William Hill your Fecked. They will close you down before you can blink

BV and Paddypower have always paid out and never been a problem with me

I mean look at Paddypowers Table Limits, its 10k on normal table and 20k that's 20,000 ! on VIP

Paddypower like the Big Fish so If your there your be ok

Subby's advice is sound 


Were your results Live or RNG ??

There you go Tarantino. Now you know.

Quote from: Tarantino on November 19, 2012, 06:11:08 PM

Not saying it happens everytime, but my last 6 losses have all been a case of the above... 
I suppose when a pattern emerges like... LHL would u bet it wouldn't be HLH... next... I suppose this is where experience of playing PB, comes  in...

Tarantino, you can come to these conclusions. But then it could shift. I take the even chance as a whole. And H/L and O/E have an edge over R/B Live anyway.

Quote from: TwoCatSam on November 19, 2012, 06:03:18 PM
They don't sweat John because people like me are stuffing their coffers!! 

Lol! Oh  is that why Sam?. I thought you were killing them with the G.U.T

Quote from: subby on November 19, 2012, 04:49:36 PM
Split the bankroll between 2 different casinos and aim to take out £500 a month from both. Make sure they aren't connected financially...i.e. they are run by different companies, and you'll take out £1000 a month and stay under the radar better.

Good advice there Tarantino, that's what I try to do. My interest is to see if I can break BV. Im told they don't sweat over big winners.