Quote from: Tarantino on November 19, 2012, 04:00:14 PM
Red and Black have turned out to be the worst of em all ! So thinking    of playing H/L and O/E only from now on...

I'm in it to win money and i won  £1775.00 last month, which works out about £ 400.00 a week cash  ...

As long as the strike rate is 10/1  on average, there is no reason why this can't be done again next month.

A quick question JL... If someone keeps taking money, each month off there lets say Paddy power for example.... Do you reckon they would keep paying , or do u think they will make there excuses and close the account. Do u know of anyone who has had this happen to them. 

Well you just anwsered WHY I stay under the radar and don't try to upset any online casino and win too much from them.

Its hard to say mate. Twister knows more about Paddy Power than I do. I will PM him in case he doesn't read this page. I've heard that William Hill are poor losers. So if they identify you as a solid consistent winner. They will close you down. I think Paddy Power are about the best online live casino there is.

But I don't think theyd be too happy if you took tens of thousands from them either. None of them would. The only question is, what is their tolerance level? 1,000---10,000--50,000. 

Quote from: shogun on November 19, 2012, 03:54:30 PM
Thanks for the great  money management advice subby and john 

You are welcome Shogun. Play with those guidelines. And you will not go wrong.

Quote from: Tarantino on November 19, 2012, 03:39:08 PM
My records up to date, are as follows...


High/Low...   Won 84.... Lost 6     Strike rate 14/1

Red/Black...   Won 80... Lost 9     Strike rate  8.8/1

Odd/Even...   Won 40...  Lost 4     Strike rate 10/1

Total Games  Won 204... Lost  19...   Average Strike Rate  10.7/1...

Playing "thepilot way", which i have been ( but 25,50,100 progression) my winnings are as follows...

Won 204 games x £ 25.00 = £ 5100.00..
Lost 19 games x 175 total progression =  £ 3325.00       Total Profit  £ 1775.00

I played 223 games , which works out about 7 games a day for a month.  So playing "thepilot" way can be profitable. To be honest i have had a week off work, and been playing more games a day. Before that week off, my strike rate was better, so i believe more money would of been won if i carried on playing 4-6 games a day only!

During my games , i have seen all 3 triggers ( H/L ..R/B .. O/E..) all hit at the same time in one game ... I picked to play 2 of em, and both won.

I have'nt seen a game where 7 patterns formed after 21 spins yet, but im sure it will one day.

Hi Tarantino. Congrats on your results. You are doing very well. Your breakdowns for each even chance are very close to mine.

Well im happy that three or four players on here now are showing similar results to me. So people arent all saying well it works for him. But we can't win toffee.

Those are the people who play 20 games lose 3 or 4 and dismiss the method and me. Then sneer at anything positive I post about it and my results. Well done again. You stake five times more than I do Tarantino. I think its about time I raised lol! 

Quote from: subby on November 19, 2012, 11:04:44 AM
That should be the mindset of anyone who plays Pattern Breaker.

Unit wins are the key here, not the VALUE OF THE UNITS

Mindset should be a 20 unit grind each month regardless of what values those units are.

We all need to become godam unit grinding casino destroying robots 

If a pirhana (unit won) bites a whale(casino) it'll not do much damage...if that pirhana takes multiple small bites out over months...and grows(grow your banroll) up to be a bigger fish and bigger mouth (unit value increases) where it's taking larger bites(higher unit values) from the whale...then that whale will eventually have lumps chomped out of it to the point where serious damage is being made (large withdrawals)

It is growing that wee fish up to a point where the teeth(method of playing) lets it take larger bites....grow your deadly little fish slowly and watch it bite ever harder and deadlier for you 

That's how its done, but now find 10,000 people who can do this. That was my argument with someone who owns another forum.

He didn't want to even acknowledge that, so skirted around it with the same lame argument you will always get from his kind of thinking. Its like what I intend to do with 200 units next year. You don't try to double it in one session. You try to

grow in relation to your powerbase. And if you can even grow it by 2.5% on average for the vast majority of the sessions you play in a year. Lets say 200. You will be one happy player by years end.

The players who try to turn 200 points into 400 points (THE VAST MAJORITY) Are the ones who will more than likely get wiped out at some point. Join a forum. And say no, no it can't be done. I didn't do it so neither will you. And that's where we stand on these forums. the majority hold negative thoughts about any hope of beating the game with negative expectancy.

Their days of listening and putting the work in are long gone. They can not see success because their own ego won't allow it. For them to see it can be done. They must also admit they didn't know it all, and were going about it the wrong way. And that's where the problem lies.

If there are even 5,000 human beings on this planet that can think an play like a Subby, Chauncy47. And myself. I will be absolutely astounded. Because I know how hard that kind of resolve, discipline and staying power is to find within yourself.

You are always fighting the twin demons GREED   and IMPATIENCE   Will this ever change overall? NEVER!!

Quote from: subby on November 19, 2012, 09:56:53 AM

This is the key point of correct money management and PATIENCE..you jumped the gun too far too quick. Stick to something like...

Ideally you need a BR of 140 to bet £1 units (20 times a total loss of 7 units betting £1 units)

When you hit a BR of £280 ........................You can then move up to £2 units
When you hit a BR of £420 ........................You can then move up to £3 units
When you hit a BR of £560 ........................You can then move up to £4 units
When you hit a BR of £700 ........................You can then move up to £5 units

When you have a BR of 20 times a loss you should really ever be down in money ever again and be able to take out 20 units a month without fear of losing everything 

Just my thoughts mate 

Subbys money management plan is perfection. You always risk in relation to your overall POWERBASE. I personally use 25 x my risk for PB. But I have a recovery bet too so that makes sense.

Quote from: bcboilermaker on November 19, 2012, 08:59:26 AM
I have just began tracking my results. I record each game in a excel file.




I played forty games this weekend


playing between live tables at william hill, and at betvoyager on the zero and no zero tables.




Out of the forty played games, 3 of of those game lost on first round , which took me to the 2nd round of betting where I recovered my loss, plus more winnings.


 
round 1 wins       round 2 wins


H/L   18                       3
E/0   15
zero   3


So basically that is a first round strike rate of 13/1
I cover zero on every bet.

Nice stats BC, Like Subby you are staying with HIGH LOW---ODD EVEN. They are the strongest of the three from my records.

There are many ways you could money manage PB. For example its unusual to have all three even chances win on the first step of the progression.

So if your first bet wins on the first step. Its likely one of the other two won't. Twister was only playing the 2nd and 3rd steps of the progression.

To do this PURELY game to game would of course require more PATIENCE. But it would only put 3 units on the chopping block as opposed to 7. Making recovery much easier. The third step of the progression (4 UNITS) is the costly part.

That's another option to think about. I personally have always played the full three steps. With HIGH LOW---ODD EVEN Live. And relied on the solid hold of the recovery bet if my first bet lost.

As Subby is doing I only play for one win per session normaly. And that has brought me a solid 10/1 over 4 years.

On BV im playing close to what Pilot was doing to see if his extraordinary 12 month strikerate was anywhere near possible. But I use recovery there too because I have targets to achieve.

Quote from: shogun on November 19, 2012, 07:45:48 AM
Hi John,

The winning streak was all 3 EC's combined. I am playing 3-10 games a day all on playtech live tables. I switch between Aphrodite and Vesta tables.
I have been thinking about a recovery bet or maybe playing the 2 EC's with a 6 step progression and playing for a one unit win.

Shogun.

Thanks Shogun yes I know those tables. Betfred run them to my knowledge. I wouldn't play two even chances like that just yet.

What I do is something like this.

BET 1=2--4--8

BET 2=6--12--24

So you aim to recover about half your loss. I also favour this for HIGH LOW and ODD EVEN LIVE. Its been very strong with those two. I wouldn't recommend it on one of them and RED BLACK. Which live is the weakest of the three.

At BV RED BLACK is the strongest at the moment. But RNG may not be affected by the layout of the wheel so much. yes 3--10 max is a good number per day. PLAY ON!

Quote from: shogun on November 19, 2012, 05:14:50 AM
RESULTS UPDATE FOR PATTERN BREAKER 18/11/12

TOTAL GAMES PLAYED 66

TOTAL GAMES WON 60

TOTAL GAMES LOST 6

STRIKERATE 10/1

DOUBLE LOSSES ZERO

TREBLE LOSSES ZERO

LONGEST WINNING STREAK 37

Hi Guys,
I thought it was about time I posted some results. Got off to a great start won the first 3 games and had a loss. Then went on to win 37 games in a row. Because I was testing to start I only played with £1 units but as it was going so well I increased to £5 units. Then I started to get more losses and only got back in profit yesterday.
I have 2 losses on each of the EC's making 6 and 2 of these included a zero in one of the 3 bets.

I will post another update in a few days.

Shogun.

Nice work Shogun, that's a typical breakdown for PB. Was the winning streak  combined between two even chances or all three.?


Also how many games are you playing per day, and are they live or RNG.?


Yes don't try to lift off too fast. Optional, when you have say 50 points profit in the pot. Start playing a recovery bet.


By doubling or trebling stakes for one game straight after a loss. That will increase your profit margin more rapidly.


I've said this a long time, the REAL POWER of this method isn't the pure strikerate which can fluctuate from 5/1 right up to 20/1.


Its the RECOVERY BET. which is very solid. I've averaged 75/1 over nearly 6,200 games.

Quote from: topcat888 on November 18, 2012, 04:13:25 PM
John, I know you have started to bet all three EC's in one session pilot style, is this exceeding your expectation or do you still think the original one win per session is better/safer..??

Topcat its too soon to know. Im currently 14/1.. My normal way holds 10/1. But its stood the test ot time. Over 6,000 games. The only thing that's surprised me is red and black. 45 straight wins is something.

Quote from: bcboilermaker on November 18, 2012, 01:23:57 PM

For B/M play I thought about a phone app, that you could use to track pattern breaker and signal bets.... but that mite not be practical because once your actually betting at the table you can no longer use your phone. 


That would a problem if you playing a recovery bet, and that recovery bet was a triggered immediately after a round one loss.. you may not have time to check your app/ or react to the immediate recovery bet.

so instead, little something I came up to make playing B/M casino easier.
basically just a card you can write down the groups of numbers, and then just cross off the patterns as they come up.
this should keep you organized and make tracking simple


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that's all you ever really need BC, pen and paper has never been bettered for me.

Quote from: Trebor on November 18, 2012, 10:30:31 AM
I know.

I would need to look closely at my play to explain. All I know is that I have good winning periods and some losses. My bankroll seems to overall stay pretty level.

Trebor

Trebor needs to apply money management to his play to pull out in front. He has had a winning streak of 19 games. So he can get decent runs. His sample is much too small to form any conclusions. I had periods where I lost 3 games out of 10.


It happens. Its the longterm and longterm ONLY you think about. When that 20 plus streak arrives. You see why this all works.

Quote from: Trebor on November 18, 2012, 10:02:07 AM
JL,

From when do these stats apply?  In post 24 on this thread you palyed many more games.

Trebor

That's my overall results LIVE Trebor over the last 4 years. This is just my results on BV so far. 

RESULTS UPDATE FOR PATTERN BREAKER ON BV FOR 18/11/2012

TOTAL GAMES PLAYED 150

TOTAL GAMES WON 140

TOTAL GAMES LOST 10

STRIKERATE 14/1

DOUBLE LOSSES ZERO

TREBLE LOSSES ZERO

LONGEST SINGLE WINNING STREAK (CURRENT) 45 RED--BLACK

LONGEST COMBINED WINNING STREAK 32 HIGH LOW--ODD EVEN

SHORTEST SINGLE WINNING STREAK 3 RED BLACK

SHORTEST COMBINED WINNING STREAK 4 HIGH LOW--ODD EVEN


The strikerate has settled into familiar territory, RED AND BLACK continues to surprise me. And now has a winning streak that has outlived the other two by 13 games.

Live the longest winning streaks I've had over the last year are 34 for HIGH LOW. 26 for ODD EVEN. And 23 for RED BLACK. So 45 for RED BLACK on BV is impressive. Next update at 175 played games.

Quote from: Superman on November 18, 2012, 07:58:04 AM

LOL me too mate, at one point I had my full set of codes, mainly welded with DC low hydrogen pipework for air conditioner systems, preasure vessels were my favourite though, there's nothing better than sitting in a black tin can breathing fumes lol.

That was about 20 years ago, now I code for web applications, which also made it possible to code bots n trackers etc for roulette. So even as a welder/boilermaker you too can code your own things if you put your mind to it.
 
It's your cash, if you can afford to lose it and won't starve if you do, then do with it as you want to, your choice buddy.

Wow Superman, that was quite a career change. 

Quote from: bcboilermaker on November 17, 2012, 11:56:43 PM

thanks john.
nice to see you as well, stepkvh, subby, TCS, twister. 


I will be posting here from now on.
over at .cc I would be considered delusional, and mentally unstable.... those guys got a lot of nerve. lol... considering Im 28 years old,  hold two journeyman tickets, as a boilermaker mechanic and a welder....I have actually earned and bled for the money I gamble with... I don't need somebody else trying to dictate how and when and where I should or be getting my gambling advice.  lol its ridiculous.


but anyway to date I have played a few hundred PB games.


When I joined the forum, I have been learning , practicing many systems and experimenting at the same time. So I was not really recording my results....
but know with confidence I can play a few methods... and really track my results!


I understand my staking plan my be unconventional, but its my money I will see what happens for my self.


if a strike of 10/1 round one
75/1 ?  round two... that is where I see the real strength. play more games at more tables to create the second round betting opportunity.
like I say... "my style" I will keep you posted on results

Bc you earned it, you can do what you like with it. I will only ever suggest how I do things. Yes a certain forum owner has a lesson coming his way next year.


To actually call most of the members deluded and unintelligent. But we move forward. This method is a keeper. If you have STAYING POWER.


I have such respect for Subbys mindset for this game. He is going a long way over the next few years. He has the same tenacity and discipline as CHAUNCY47. And that spells longterm success.