Quote from: Twisteruk on November 12, 2012, 06:52:31 PM
JL

I read on a Forum Post that you used to disregard a block of 3 if it contained a Zero. I've never read that or knew that. Is that the case ? If so what changed your mind ?

Cheers Bud

Strikerate  Twister, I have seen an improvement in the methods performance since I started doing this.

I think its because it displaces the perfection of random. My strikerate live and RNG has gone up since doing this, and that's what we all want.

I will advise Speramus to play this way too when they get rolling. mmmmm we are honoured the mighty Ophis on the thread.

Quote from: shogun on November 12, 2012, 05:54:54 PM

It probably goes without saying but I will any way     I grab the first 20 numbers off the marque to start my game.

Snap Shogun that way you usually have 4 or 5 patterns instantly

Im finding that one of the three even chances always qualifies for a game within 40 spins.

Quote from: Trebor on November 12, 2012, 11:12:34 AM
Hello again JL,


The MST tracker treats zero's as in the original instructions. That is if a 0 comes in a group of three it ignores all three as far as tracking goes. Has this rule been changed?


Trebor

Ignore the zero but keep the numbers either side of it. So keep all numbers reject zero.

Quote from: Tarantino on November 12, 2012, 10:14:37 AM
My records playing "thepilot" way is as follows...

Playing H/L and R/B  ...
Won 40
Lost 1...
Winning streak 35.... current streak is 5...
I have been playing my progression like i said, 25...50...100... Total 175...
Winnings 40 x 25 = 1000      Loses 1 x 175 =175      Profit 1000 - 175 =  825
Only time will tell if it works this way... For me, the less games u play, the less chance you have of getting caught. I play only 4-6 games a day, depending on work and kids etc...
Question for JL....
1. What have you been doing when you have to bet on H/L or R/B at the same time, do u still bet... Or O/E in your case, have u ever had to bet on all 3 at the same time ?

Wow great results Tarantino, well its never happened to me. When I've had 2 I've gone with H/L. Because I normally don't play Red and black.

Quote from: Trebor on November 12, 2012, 12:41:39 AM
Like I said I'll check the tracker and see that it's correct or not.


Trebor.

Okay Trebor stay positive 

Quote from: Trebor on November 11, 2012, 10:57:20 PM
I've no idea. I'll need to track it manually at the same time to see.

Trebor

I've answered a different question.

The tracker knows because I enter it manually. I don't know how it treats it when building up the, what are you calling it, matrix?

This is my concern Trebor, because I believe Zero is actually our friend with this method, it changes the course of

random in our favour.

The perfection of random is no longer so perfect when a zero drops. Remember the difference between winning and losing

can be as little as a single spin.

I know for certain I have cheated the laws of probability by playing H.A.R there is absolutely no doubt about that for me

Before 2004 when I played like all the losers play I couldnt buy a win. I really couldnt. I used to play 8 hour sessions at a

casino. And always lost in the end.

And I still track manually using pen and paper Trebor. YES I know its slow, BUT I don t miss a thing. And you cannot afford

to miss a thing, when the difference between winning and losing can be a SINGLE SPIN.

Quote from: Twisteruk on November 11, 2012, 10:08:37 PM
So if you have 2 EC's win that +2 Units and if the third one losses -7 Units, so you take the 5 Unit loss on that game and don't recover ?

In my experience one of the three EC's losses too often to take 1 Unit of each, no ?

Yes Twister as you know I would normally play to recover IF the first EVEN CHANCE loses, because I normally

play for the first win.

But try telling BV that, because apart from two losses on RED BLACK. I have 23 rounds where all three even chances have

done the business.

Of course its early days Twister, but Lets see how things stand when I reach 500. What I am hoping for is a strikerate

somewhere between 16/1 and 24/1 longterm. It will tell me that Pilot really could have achieved his average of 20/1 for an

entire year. Especially as he was only playing a strict 6 games a day. that's some discipline, I have to hand it to him.

Quote from: Trebor on November 11, 2012, 09:04:33 PM
Well now your asking JL.


I'm using the MST tracker. I hope you not going to tell me it doesn't work correctly.


All I do know is that one of my losses was due to a zero. Well might have been anyway.


Trebor

So how does a tracker know when a zero hits?

Quote from: Twisteruk on November 11, 2012, 08:58:46 PM
JL

Can you point out to the viewers what you are now doin different inlight of the 'pilot event' as opposed to before ?

I mean make it crystal clear step by step, so no one can say, "huh?"

Hello Twister.

1, I am playing ALL 3 EVEN CHANCES each session for ONE WIN EACH.

2, I am doing this 4---6 times a day to get the numbers in about a 6 month time frame.

3, Mr Zero I ignore its existence totally. So when it hits I don't record it. NOW, this is crucial and may be making ALL THE

DIFFERENCE Twister. Because what happens when a ZERO hits is it changes the structure of the PATTERNS. And I

believe leads to a greater strikerate. SO IGNORE THE ZERO.

4, I will not play a recovery bet. This is PURE stand alone strikerate we are aiming for here. And at the moment it looks like

its going to be justified.



that's how I am playing it on BV Twister. 36/1 after 75 games. VS Pilots 20/1 after 2000 plus games. Lets see what the next

6 months brings.

Quote from: Trebor on November 11, 2012, 07:37:27 PM
Thanks JL. It's just that I read recently that most losses came from sessions that went on beyond 60 spins. In any case I only had one such session.


I have to say that so far I'm having typical results for me with this.


I'll carry on since I can't lose any "real" money and hope it turns round.


Trebor

I don't see how it shouldnt. You think you are unlucky Trebor I know that. But I don't see how you should run under

10/1 longterm with this method H.A.R There are players doing better than that. Pilot of course being the most sesnsational of

them. Now I am in a situation where I have to see if its possible with irrefutable proof. Because Pilot made the claim for

PATTERN BREAKER and thanked me for the method. And got peeved and left when people started showing the doubting

Thomas signs. Even I am not 100% sure. BUT, I am willing to play it for a year and find out if its anywhere near possible.

Unlike everyone else who said NO WAY.

ONE THING I want to ask you Trebor, when you are tracking spins and a ZERO hits how do you deal with it? ?

Quote from: Trebor on November 11, 2012, 07:09:47 PM
Sorry about that. Got the figures wrong. I've modified the post.


I'm playing each even chance once per session but only if they qualify within 60 spins. Should I not?


I've played 9 sessions over 2 days but it is the weekend.


Do you think that's too many in that space of time?  Not sure how long a gap time wise I should leave.


Trebor

Trebor don't exclude games that take beyond 60 spins to mature. This is EXACTLY how I have been playing.

I log in and track and play ALL three even chances (NO MATTER HOW LONG IT TAKES) Then I shut down and do it

again later. I am playing 15---20 games per day when I have time. So as to get the turnover the same as Pilot in a shorter

time frame. don't try to be too clever with this method. Play it and believe in the longterm strikerate. It should go no worse

than 10/1 longterm. Pilot was getting 20/1 and that's amazed even me. Many have called him a liar in not so many words.

But no-one has played it like him. So I am going to do it for the next year. If I get anywhere near 20/1 How can anyone say

it wasn't possible for him to do this?? I certainly won't doubt it. 

Quote from: Trebor on November 11, 2012, 06:22:03 PM
Spurred on by JL's success I'm giving this another go playing for pennies on BV single zero.


I'll only be playing when I've got an idle moment so that should make sure it's hit and run. I started yesterday. Results so far.


TOTAL GAMES PLAYED    26


TOTAL GAMES WON        21


TOTAL GAMES LOST          6


STRIKE RATE APPROX     3.5 TO 1


DOUBLE LOSSES              0


TREBLE LOSSES               0


LONGEST WINNING STREAK      9






Early days?


Trebor

Are you seriously playing this on BV single Zero Trebor? How are you playing? And how many even chances at a
time. Also if you have played 26 games how have you got 21 wins and 6 losses.? 

Quote from: shogun on November 11, 2012, 05:51:06 PM
Hi John,
Your BZ results are great. Is this BVNZ?
I am at 23 for 1 on Eurogrand 

Hi Shogun no this is BV single ZERO. I log on play all even chances Pilot style. Then shut it down. I've been doing this

5 to 6 times over the last 4 days. And I am doing it for a reason. Many people doubt it was possible for Pilot to truly achieve

the numbers he has. I worked out his strikerate was running at about 20/1 PER MONTH for a whole year. This is out of this

world. At the moment I am beating that by some margin but its early days yet. I want to see if I can get anywhere near his

numbers over the next year on a smaller scale. Of course if I do alot of people on another forum we won't mention will be

taught its certainly possible. Winning streaks in excess of 100 are possible I've had 3 in my 4 year history with this method.

But I only played HIGH LOW when I got them. Since I added ODD EVEN to the mix. the longest winning streak I have had

is 34 games. But this is LIVE. Playing BV there's something else going on here altogether. I don't know yet, but I have a

feeling PATTERN BREAKER is going to BREAK BV. And I will have the proof if it does sitting in someone elses account

by summer next year. I will not rerturn to that other forum until I have proved this method is a roulette killer beyond doubt.

Well done with your play. We should be getting about 11/1 with this method. But sometimes it can surprise you.

PATTERN BREAKER ON BV UPDATE.

TOTAL GAMES PLAYED 75

TOTAL GAMES WON 73

TOTAL GAMES LOST 2

STRIKERATE APPROX 36/1

DOUBLE LOSSES ZERO

TREBLE LOSSES NON---EXISTENT

LONGEST WINNING STREAK 25 SHARED BY HIGH LOW AND ODD EVEN.

Well a great run continues on BV for PATTERN BREAKER. The strikerate stands at 36/1 at the moment which is

staggering. I haven't gone that high for PATTERN BREAKER LIVE in over two years. Also I have never had two even

chances form winning streaks over 20 at the same time. Obviously I realize this can't go on forever. But im enjoying the run

while it lasts. I know by the time I've played 500 games. It is very likely to have dropped down to the middle teens at best.

Quote from: VLS on November 11, 2012, 05:18:44 AM
Thank you al'. You reminded 11/11 is my day.
Sam, does my age really matter?   

Any case... still I'm in my 30's, enjoying my family and stronger than ever!

Many happy returns Victor...