Quote from: topcat888 on November 10, 2012, 06:08:42 PM
I hope you don't think I'm a 'detractor' John because I'm not, far from it...  I just happened to stumble upon that very elusive string and wanted to show you, thought I might get a prize..! anyway, hopefully we'll never see it again... 

Of course I don't Top Cat. I know 8 ON 1 can lose. Does that stop me playing it?? No way.

it's a mystery how long I might go before I land on top of a loss. 500---2,000---5,000 games. No one knows. that's what H.A.R is all about.

People told me they couldnt find 200 straight wins with the method. So how come both Twister and I are around 500? No one can answer that.

Yet they all want to tell me there's absolutely no difference between long sessions and H.A.R But my results tell me another story.
And that's all that matters at the end of the day. 

Quote from: topcat888 on November 10, 2012, 03:34:41 PM
Yeah sorry about that John but they were 100% true numbers...  Luckily I just happened to be tracking it at that time...

Glad BV is still going strong, amazing strike rate..!

I've had a look at PP and you're correct its much faster on the live play...

Topcat so we know it could happen, but as I always say youve got to land dead on it. If you started your game even then one spin earlier or one spin later you might have missed that. I've been saying the same thing about 8 ON 1. someone found 11 4 GAPS on BVNZ. Yet twister is 511/0 and I am now 475/0. But the detractors can't even find 200 straight wins when they Bot the method. If that isn't proof that H.A.R is a superior way to play this game I don't know what is.

On BV I've been playing all three even chances. then shutting it down. And the two losses came yesterday both on RED AND BLACK. Today I've played 15 games and won them all. 

Quote from: topcat888 on November 10, 2012, 12:40:41 PM
What were you saying about the 8 in 24...  don't you just love roulette..! 

(DB, table one - just now)

that's very rare charles. I haven't caught one in 6,074 games. Dublinbet lol that's why Twister and me don't play there. Did you play that or track it Top Cat.?
I've been playing PATTERN BREAKER HEAVY on BV and its killing it out performing live play. Which stuns me. Latest stats.

PATTERN BREAKER ON BV

TOTAL GAMES PLAYED 56

TOTAL GAMES WON 54

TOTAL GAMES LOST 2

STRIKERATE 27/1

DOUBLE LOSSES ZERO

TREBLE LOSSES---NON EXISTENT.

Quote from: Tarantino on November 10, 2012, 10:25:21 AM
What progression do you use after all them games JL... Cause if my strike rate averages out to 10/1, the way i play it won't work.
Win 10 games 25 x 10 = 250.... Lose 1 game = - 175 , giving me an average of 75 units every 10 games ( not bad i suppose)...
My way i don't do recovery as in upping progression.
Reason i don't play O/E  is just personal choice really. I did keep record of O/E but don't play, and i saw a double loss ... Put me off
But reading through this article, keeping a record of O/E will help if i do have a loss. I could play a game to recover my loss quicker i suppose!
I have played roulette for 5 years, and to be honest i was losing faith in roulette. Until i saw this way of playing. I promised myself, i would play this way and no SHORTCUTS ... .

JL has learned me  2 magic words ............  PATIENCE + DISIPLINE....

Tarantino I play very conservatively compared to you and Pilot. Just 5 pound points. BUT, remember I play several methods. And I play for recovery too. So I don't put all my eggs in one basket so to speak. I am not saying you can't/won't surpass 10/1 with PATTERN BREAKER. The way you are playing its possible you could hit 14/1---16/1 longterm. Because 6 games a day isn't exposing yourself very much at all to randoms ebb and flow. So YES, you may lock a better strikerate than me Tarantino. But if you don't. You should still me happy that you beat this game LONGTERM in the first place. REMEMBER, we arent supposed to be doing this according to the experts. 

And yes without PATIENCE and DISCIPLINE you cannot beat this game longterm. That is the reason 99% of people still believe this game can't be taken. Without the right tools you can't get the job done.

Quote from: topcat888 on November 10, 2012, 10:08:22 AM
Tarantino, you are so right, I have noticed that as well.. If you think about it, the further you are away from the first set of three, the more likely 'any' pattern could appear...

There is something to this Charles, but keep in mind I have seen it all over the last 4 years. And you can lose a game in 27 spins aswell. But I have never seen random show me the 8 patterns in the minumum of 24 spins. This is what I call the dream bet of the method. It doesn't happen often. I have only 40 in 6,060 games. But when it does you should go for it by at least trebling stakes and covering the zero for insurance. 

Quote from: Tarantino on November 10, 2012, 09:39:42 AM
Hello everyone, i have been following this system, and have been getting very good results ( i was paul 2012) from another site ...
I play H/L and R/B only...
Before ' thepilot' saga  , my results were as follows...
H/L played 48 and won 46...
R/B played 48 and won 43...
But after reading how he plays i decided to copy it in a way...
After work i come home and play 4-6 games of  H/L and R/B only. And log off till the day after. In and out !!!
And i have played 29 games so far without loss !!!  Won them all !
And my progression has changed since i saw thepilot's progression.
I play 25...50...100... To win 25 units each time.
So up to now i have won 725 units... I know a loss will come soon, and when it does ill take the loss and start again on same progression.  The way i see it now, is that i am playing with ladbrokes money and i fully intend to play this way !
Thepilot post caused so much debate, i honestly believe it to have happened and i take my hat off to JL for a superb, simple system.
I have records of every game i have played and will keep updates on here for all to see. If you play with bigger progression, i have found that you play to the rules 100%...
PATIENCE IS THE KEY 
I also play till 60 spins only, if i don't get a trigger i log off... Read in JL's post somewhere most of his losses came after 60 spins !

Tarantino you have a great attitude for this method. I am curious though as to why you don't play ODD--EVEN. 29 games without loss for this method is fantastic.

For me I normally play 10 games per day LIVE. And if I get a perfect day I am very happy. Overall I am looking for 10/1 longterm. And I will be very surprised if anyone can consistently win above that region 10/1---12/1 in the longterm.

Anyone who plays 1,000 games of Pattern breaker H.A.R should find themselves sonewhere around that mark.

As I have said before, the real POWERPOINT of the method isn't so much the pure strikerate, but the reliability of follow up bets. Double losses don't happen often. And I've never seen a treble.

Regarding Pilot he has had the most amazing success with this method if he is being totally honest. I have recorded a winning streak of over 100 in the early days when I only played HIGH---LOW.

But I think he said in July he won over 160 games. It is possible playing HIT AND RUN. And its been the crux of my argument with the people who say there is no difference to sitting there and playing long sessions. THERE IS.

When you sit there playing long sessions you are travelling towards a loss. When you play H.A.R you have to land DEAD ON TOP of that loss.

So a freak winning streak way beyond the normal grip of probability is indeed possible.

Call it LUCK, TIMING whatever you want. There is a chance you will ride the most fantastic winning streak at some point when you play H.A.R

So what I say to newbies with this method is, you could lose 3 games in your first 20 you play or as Tarantino has done win over 25 straight.
Its the LONGTERM breakdown you look for. And over 6,060 games have consistently given me around 10/1 

Quote from: shogun on November 10, 2012, 08:10:21 AM
Thanks for this system JL.
Early days for me but i have 11 wins and 1 loss.
Very happy so far.

Well done Shogun you have right there about the average longterm playing H.A.R. It fluctuates for me between 10/1 and 12/1. Look at this as a longterm thing. 

Quote from: esoito on November 09, 2012, 10:20:55 PM
A good milestone reached on the journey to... (Anyone ever thought about the destination?)

Took about 5 weeks. Not bad. 

I am proud to be one of those 100 Esoito.

Quote from: Twisteruk on November 09, 2012, 09:29:39 PM
Just had my first double loss on PB, won on the Third EC 

They happen. But trebles are like eclipses mate. I am seeing so much more playing PB on BV. I am seeing a pattern in the breakodwns that is like clockwork to read. I really tested PB tonight on BV. Played all three even chances 10 times each. And won 28 games and lost 2 on RED and BLACK. I also had one dream breakdown of 7 patterns in 21 spins. Jacked up stakes and covered the zero for an easy win on spin one.

At the moment my strikerate on BV alone is better than my strikerate live. with 20/1 vs 10/1. But longterm I am sure it will come down to around 10---11/1. I will keep you posted with PBs performance on BV. Stats so far.

PATTERN BREAKER ON BV

TOTAL GAMES PLAYED 42

TOTAL GAMES WON 40

TOTAL GAMES LOST 2

STRIKERATE  20/1

DOUBLE LOSSES ZERO

TREBLE LOSSES----NON-EXISTENT.

Longest winning streak so far HIGH LOW and ODD EVEN 20 with 14 each.

Quote from: topcat888 on November 09, 2012, 05:24:24 PM
What are Paddypower like at paying out..?

That's one thing I do like about DB, they almost give you the money 'there and then' when you withdraw..!
None of this 'hold on to it for a week' just in case you change your mind..! 

Paddypower are very reliable Top Cat. The only wait is for the transfer back into your bank account 2--3 working days normally. I think Dublinbet is slightly overhyped because its one of the few the americans can use. And it is set in a real casino environment. But its as slow as you would expect. When you have the usual suspects tossing chips all over the place. But Paddy in my opinion is top of the pile.

Quote from: Twisteruk on November 09, 2012, 02:03:20 PM
No. You ignore the Zero mate

So if the numbers are as follows, 33 0 1 0 9 That is HLL

OK ?

Twister is spot on, you ignore the ZERO as if it never happenned. The only time I would cover zero is if you get the dream breakdown 7 patterns in 21 spins. You then up your stakes and cover the zero for insurance when betting against the 8th and final pattern. I would also cover the zero if I had a double loss and was betting on the third even chance in a session.

Quote from: albalaha on November 09, 2012, 05:50:07 AM
Johnlegend,
                   I want to know the best suggested settings from you of your PB, in Ophis MST.

I'm not the best person to ask about trackers Albalaha, I'm still using good old fashioned pen and paper. That's my tracker...

Quote from: subby on November 08, 2012, 09:16:06 PM
Good call, I use Ophis's tracker so I'll keep an eye out for this happening and go for it.

Yes Subby I'm 39/0 for this bet. Its like everyone knows or should know. You will never ever see random hit all 37 numbers on the wheel in 37 spins. Its obviously not as certain as that. BUT, a lot more playable.

Quote from: topcat888 on November 08, 2012, 06:57:42 PM
Brilliant, thanks for the clarification John...

One more question, if as you suggest for smaller bankrolls, you play just the 2nd and 3rd steps of the progression, aren't you going to miss all those first hit bets..??

Hi Topcat, yes you would miss out, this is Twisters preferred method of play. It would be better to ask him how he deals with it. I gather he has a plan B for when the first spin wins.

Quote from: subby on November 08, 2012, 07:54:54 PM
John can you expand on what you mean by this?

7 patterns in 21 spins?

Hi Subby what I mean is the minumum number of spins 7 of the 8 patterns could form in is 21. If you ever see this you have been handed a gift by random. Because its almost impossible for random to form all 8 patterns in the minumum of 24 spins. It happenned to me 39 times in the 6010 games I've played.

And when it happens you should at least treble your usual stakes plus cover the zero for as certain a winner as you will realistically get in this game.