Hi Nick, did you try your bet with possitive progression?
Levels :
1,2 /  3,6 /  10,20 /  30,60 /  100, 200 /  300,600 (optional this last level)
Rise level after W session , reset at new high.
Down one level after L2. After twice in row L2 i would stop and wait
virtual W, then bet again for real.

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Here one of my non -random ECs bet
see excel file

***
Hello Kattila, I just love exploring non-random patterns like you have outlined, however, I am a coder and I need step by step instructions in order to follow what you are explaining.  Could you kindly using just 1 pattern show what the pattern is and how you obtain a bet selection?  More details.  Thanks.
***

Hi Nick, i have few methods based on same base, but let s start with one
easy from above. This one is with 2 group ( 1 and 2 ) other methods with
3 groups ( 1,2 and 3 ). Can use also splits .

Wait 8 different streets , or can be repeats but must be in the same
group and following the pattern  11221122. After the trigger  11221122
if new street hit and we lose , put that street in same order /pattern.
It s safer to wait 10 streets ( 1122112211) but long time to wait.
We bet (after trigger ) for position 2 or for series of 3.

Str /  pattern and group

4        1
7        1
11      2
6        2
12      1
4        1 (see repeat in same group)
9        2
2        2  bet group 2
7        1          L1,  bet group 2
3        1 new   L2   bet group 1
10      2 new    L3  bet gr 1
8        2  new  L4   bet gr 2
2        2           W


So bet for max. 5 spins, W or L5 , retrack.
Progression levels /possitive, rise only after W session if necesary,
never rise after L5, better  down one level:

1,2,3,5,10 /  12,15,25,40,70 / 80 ,90,120,150 ,200.

Other example,

Str / pattern

3         1
11       1
5         2
8         2
1         1
4         1
12       2
10       2  bet  group 2
2         1 new     l1   bet gr 2
3          1           l2  bet gr 1
7          2 new     l3  bet gr 1
5          2            l4   bet gr 2       
12         2           w

cheers

***
Playing a fixed Doublet does not change the odds but it does change the fluctuation in your results. This is all I wanted to show you, ie, playing with a Group of Spins has an effect.  This is simply the first step to understanding my Group of Spins theory.
***
I agree with you.

Did you ever try other ways of non -random, like fixed patterns made by splits or streets ?
Not complete EC s groups yet, but are growing groups.

Ex. streets :

Str  /  Pattern (chops)

3        1
7        2
12      1 
8        2
1        1
4        2
5        1
9        2 bet for change (to become series)

Or,

Str / pattern (series of two)

7         1
12       1
3         2
8         2
9         1
2         1
11       2
4         2    bet to become series of 3
                 ( or bet for singles)

I bet for max. 5 spins,  example next spins

9         1           L1
1         1 new    L2
5         2 new    L3
4         2           L4
11       2           W

many ways and patterns( non random ) to play

Quote from: BEAT-THE-WHEEL on March 21, 2018, 07:12:52 AM
Members and guests here, had read thousands of post here, many will noticed that,
if someone says...ber EC....

1) bet the single color to streaks..
Others will say the other side may sleep for 30spins..

2) bet the chops
Others will say the other side may previal...

3) follow the last..
Others will say, the chops may prolong...

4)Then follow 2nd last..
Others will say, the long killer sequence may show up...

5) bet strictly, only a color..
Others will say , horrible ecart may hit ...

6) bet the leader..
They say, leader suddenly become follower..


What method, that could win,
When ...

streaks hit, (bbbbbbbbbb ... )
chops hit,(brbrbrbrbr....)
Imbalance ecart hit...

I think, follow 2nd last, is the answer.
Because,  only a specific sequence can kill ft2nd last.


bbrrbbrrbbrrbbrrbb
brrbbrrbbrrbbrrbbr

and short sequence in clusters...

bbrr, r,bbrrb, b,brrbbrrbb

Hi B.T.W,

We all know the singles and series on ECs, BRBRBRBRBRBR, BBRRBBRRRBBBRR,
BRRBRRBRRRBRR, RBBBRBBBRRBB, etc...all this can be created by random.

But, if ...we have Always as trigger a kind of pattern like BRBRBRBR.....,
or  BBRRBBRRBBRR....  , in my case groups 1 and 2 ( 121212..../ 11221122...)
So you take what random gives you  and put them into your own order/pattern.
This can be done with streets or splits:

Street / *EC* groups ( singles pattern)

3          1
9          2
2          1
7          2
12        1
8          2
1          1
5          2

Not complete EC groups yet , this are growing groups .
For the moment each group have 4 streets, now can start
betting for the last group to repeat, so against pattern.

next spins

2          1         L1
10        2 new  L2
11        1 new  L3
8          1         W

-------------------------------

Other pattern

Street  /  group (series pattern)

4           1
7           1
11         2
8           2
7           1
9           1
12         2
1           2 now bet against pattern
5           1 new   L1
4           1          L2
8           2          L3
10         2 new   L4
1           2          W



Same ( chops and series) can be done with SPLITS, in this case
the trigger will be longer.



,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
-------------------------------

*dozens *  or  *columns* example

Splits      group

5             a
12           b
3             c
8             a
10           b
3             c
14           a
7             b
18           c
6             a
10           b
2             c  bet against,so  bet the last 2 groups
8             a             L1
11           b new      L2
15           c  new     L3
5             a             L4
13           b new      L5
6             a             W

Sooner or later the groups will change the position....
Also after that trigger from above ( *doz* abc..) can bet for the
second last group or for the last to repeat, so bet one group.


Also see this :
https://www.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=19239.0

Why not create your own EC s or  dozens by splits or streets ? Also
can create singles and series using  groups made by streets or splits.

Example *forced* series or singles  :

Street/ groups and patterns

2     a      or    a
6     b             a
11   a             b
3     b             b
11   a             b
4     b             b
7     a             a
9     b             a

Can  attack against series or against singles.
Bet for max. 4 spins  for W  or L4.  Next attack
after new  create/trigger . Use possitive progression.

Example  *forced * dozens ( forced into Pattern s ):

Splits / groups  and patterns

5      a     or   a
17    b           a
3      c           b
8      a           b
11    b            c
2      c            c
17    a           a
12    b           a
6      c           b
8      a           b

can attack two groups( last two to repeat)  or can attack only
one  group  (for example the second last group, or 3rd position).
Big chances to hit other positions(gaps/ distances) , not the created
pattern formation.

Quote :

steets/ group

Streets

Here some ideas if you want to bet against patterns...

steets/ group

3       1
11     2
8       3
10     1
1       2
7       3 
3       1
12     2
7       3   now bet the last two groups
3       1  L1
8       3  W

Can start after trigger 123123 or wait another 123 ( or just 12).
Attack only for  3 or 4 spins , then ( W or L3  or L4 )bet again after new trigger for 3 or 4 spins.

cheers

***
But I have no progression for dozens, maybe some positive progressions  by Kattila
But I never fully  understood them . ***

Tell me which one (s) you didn t understood and i will try to help.

_______________________________________




About the  123123......on dozens ....how about this ,
if we have 123123123 in row from 9 streets in row , or
9 splits in row ...what to do/bet  next.....
Be creative and use splits and streets (or just numbers)
to make your own *dozens* in the order/ pattern you wish....

Quote from: ice789 on December 26, 2015, 05:31:50 AM
Hi all,This is my favourite way of winning, very simple but very affective, if you want to try it here it is,(My last Post) wait for only 3 (original4) reds or blacks if its reds bet the splits 28/31, 26/29, 17/20, 8/11, 10/13. If its blacks 9/12, 18/21, 16/19, 27/30, >i plus 26,29 <I have posted a lot of systems and i always revert back to this one.Iv'e enjoyed my short term here good luck rev.


Biggest defeat?
LOSE STREAK?
I WANT PROGRESSION FOR THIS METHOD

I used bad English.                   

Hi Ice,
If i would play this method , i bet aftet the trigger
for max. 3 or 4 spins, but stop at win or at 3 or 4 Ls,
then bet again after new trigger for max 3 or 4 spins,
and so on. Progression i would use a possitive
progression,  rise one unit after win and back
one or two units after 3Ls. If win flat bet stay flat
not necesary rise bets after W, only rise after W
if need to recover some drawdowns and put
bankroll in new high, or close to last high.
So the progression looks like this:

1,1,1/ 2,2,2/ 3,3,3/ 4,4,4/ 5,5,5..so on...but don t
go to high ( at 10,10,10 for ex. stop, take the
lose).
Or
1,1,1,1/2,2,2,2/ ....so on....

More agressive one:
1,1,1,2/ 2,2,3,3/ 3,4,4,5/ 5,6,6,7/ 7,8,8,9.


Cheers

Quote from: BetJack on October 27, 2015, 12:23:03 PM
Loookig for MM..
Looking for way to play this...
I Have done some testing...
test are from random org ... so there is no house Edge...

How to Bet On it...?


TEST 4
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TEST 5
WWWWLWLWLWLLWWWLLLLWWWLWLLLLWWWLWLWLWLLLWWLWLWLLLWWL
TEST 6
WLWLWLWLLLLLLLLWWWWWWWLWWLLLWWLWLLWLLLWWLLWLWLWLLLLWWWWLW
TEST 7
WWLWWLWLWLWWWWLLWLWWLWWWWWLLWWWLWLLWLLLLWLWTEST 1
LWLWLLWLWLWWWWLLLLWLWWWWWLLWLWLLLWWWLWWWWWWWLW
TEST 2
LWWLLWLLLLLWLWWWLLLWLWLWWWLLLWLWLWLLLLLWWLWLLWLWLWWLLLWLWLWWWLW
TEST 3
WWLLLLWWWLWLLLLWWLWLLLWWLLLLLLWLWWWLWWLWLLWWWLWWLWWWWLWW
TEST 8
WLWWLLWWLLLWWLLLLLLWWLWWLWLLLWWWLLLLWWLWWWWLLW
TEST 9
WLLWWWWLWWWWWLWWLWWLWLLWWLWWWWWLLLLLWWWWWLLWWW
TEST 10
WWLWWLLWWWWWWWLLLWLWWWWLLWLLWLLWWWWLLWLWWWWLLLWWW
TEST 11
LLWLWLWLWLLLLLLWWWLLLWLLLWLWLWWWLWLLLWWWWWLWLWWWWLLLLLW
TEST 12
LLWWWLLWLLWWWLWLLWWWWLLLWLLLLWWLLLWLWLLWLWWWLWLLWLWWWW
TEST 13
WLWWWLLLWWWLWLWLLWWWLLWWLLLLWWLWLWLLLLLLWWWLWWLW
TEST 14
WWLLLLWLWWWWWLWWWLLLWWLWLWLWWWWWWLWWLWWWLWLWLWWWL
TEST 15
WLLWWWWLLLLWWLWLLWWWLWWWLLLWWLLWLWLLWWWWLLWLLLLLLWWWW
TEST 16
LLLLWLWLLLWLWWWLLWWWLWLLLWWWWWWLLWWLLLLLLWWWWWLWLWWWWWLLL
TEST 17
LLWWLLWWWLWLWWLLLWWWLWLLWLLWWWWWWWWWWWWLLLWWLWLLWWLWLLLL
TEST 18
WWLLWWLWLLWWWWWWWWWWWWLLLWWLWLLWWWWLWWWLWWLLLLLLWL
TEST 19
WWLWWWWWWWLLLLWWLWWWWLLLLWWLLLWWWWWWLWWLLLWWWLWWLWLWWLWW
TEST 20
LLWLLLLWLLWLLLWWLWWWWLWWWLWLWWLLWLWLLLLWWLLLLWWLLLWWWWLWLW
TEST 21
WWLWLLLLWWLLLWLWWLLWWWLLWLWLWLWWLWLWLLWLWWLWLWLWLW
TEST 22
LWWWLWLWWLWWWWWLLWLWWLWWWLLWLLLWWWLLWWWLLLWLWWLWWW
TEST 23
WWWLLWLWLLWLWWWWLWWWWLLWLWWLLLLWLWWLLLWWLWLWLWWWL
TEST 24
LWLWWWWLLLWWWWLWLWWWWLWLLWLLLWWWLWLLLWLWLWWLWLLWW
TEST 25
LWWWWLLWWWWWLLLWWWLLLLLLWWLWWWLWLWLLWWWWLWWWWLWLWLLWLLW
TEST 26
WLWLLLWLLWLLWLWLWLWWLLWWWLLWLWWWWLLLWWLWLLLLLLWLWLWWLW
TEST 27
WLWLWWWWLLWLWWLWLLWLLWWWLWWWLWLLLWWLWLWWLLWLWLLW
TEST 28
WWLWWLWWLLLWLWLWWWLWLWWWLLWWLLLLLWWLLLWLWWLLWLWWWWWLLLW
TEST 29
LLWWLWWLLWWWWWLWLLLLLLLWWWWWLLLWWWLLWWWWWLLWWWLW
TEST 30
WWLWWLWLWWLLLWLWWWWWWLLWWWWWWLLLWWLLWWLWWLLW
TEST 31
WWLWWLWLLLLLWLWWWWWLWLLWWWLWLWWLLLLLWWWLWLWLLLWWLLWLWWLLWWWW
TEST 32
WLWWLWLWWWLLWLLWLWWWLWLWLLLWLLLWWLLLLWWLWWWWLWWLWLWWW
TEST 33
LWWWWWWWWLLLLWLLLWLWLLWLLWWWLWLWWWWLWWWWLWWWWLLL
TEST 34
WWWWLLLWLLLLLWWWWWLLLWLWWWWWWWWLLLLLLLLLLLWWLWLWWWWWLWL
TEST 35
WLLLWLWLWLLLLLLLWLWLLWWWWLWLWLLLWWLLWWLLWWWLWLWLWLLWLWWWWWLLW


Guys what do you think ?

Try  this :

( vW  virtual win) start with vW, stop at 2Ls

TEST 1
LvWL1WL1L2stop vWL1WL1WWWWL1L2stop LLvWL1WWWWWL1L2stop vWL1WL1L2stop LvWWWL1WWWWWWWL1W

TEST 2
LvWWL1L2stop vWL1L2stop LLLvWL1WWWL1L2stop LvWL1WL1WWWL1L2stop LvWL1WL1WL1L2stop LLLvWWL1WL1L2stop
vWL1WL1WWL1L2stop LvWL1WL1WWWL1W

TEST 3
vWWL1L2stop LLvWWWL1WL1L2stop LLvWWL1WL1L2stop vLWWL1L2stop LLLLvWL1WWWL1WWL1WL1L2stop
vWWWL1WWL1WWWWL1WW

Progressions:

1.  +1 after W / -1 after L    ,  or
2.   +1 after L /  bet same after W    , or
3.   +1 after L / -1 after W

For all 3 progresions:
Reset to 1 unit when new high in bankroll ( or when recovered around 50%....70% from loses)

cheers

I know for Years how to solve this kind of LW s but on my own way ( i use triggers and virtual play).
I attack only twice after trigger (virtual win)  i this case( EC s),  and i attack 3 times after trigger if i bet
one dozen . I try to avoid long losing streak  with this LW strategy ( the killer is when come WLLWLLWLL...
but also this one can be solved sometimes / not always).   Using you Lw example :

Wvirt L1L2 stop L L LWvirt L1L2 stopLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLWvirtW1W2WvirtW1W2WvirtW1W2WvirtW1

so  flat bet(ECs) +3 units
----------------------------------------
 
Other Lw strategy ( i use it more on  2 dozens based systems and sometimes on ECs) :
Wvirt L1 stop LLLL Wvirt L1 stop LLLLLL...............Wvirt WWWWWWWWWW   stay on the W streak until L (stop)

so flat bet (ECs) + 8 units

cheers

I started 7 years ago  with 70 euros and was online , if i remeber well was goldenpalace online casino.
Without any basic in  roulette i started with the *magic* Martingale on red/black  and won (with luck ofcourse)
230 euros.  Next day again was a veeeery lucky day , started to win more on red/black with the Marty , then i
started my attack on one dozen and after up and downs and using  higher bets  my bankroll finished at 1200 euros ! Wow  i was so happy and sure that s the way ...Guess what next day ?  You all know ....all 1200.......i will tell you this in spanish way ....................
* Se hayan ido a tomar por culo *      ....No Marty ...no big unit progressions...


cheers

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Hi guys,
I am not an ECs expert ( i play most inside) but i start to like this EC bets,
i have good results in real play with this method.
I  am open to new ideas for the  MM part , so new/better  ideas welcome.

cheers

Hi Ignatus,
i just want to tell you i have tested and played this system (very similar and more complete, see my Excel file)
a few years  back and i can tell you will tank  like any other system in the long run,   but....still not bad bet selection
from my point of wiew and never play this with progression (or if you will at least try from 0,10 units) try only
flat bet  with different bet selections  like .....bet the dominant / or hot from the last 4 or 6 spins.....
or bet follow the last (FTL) after few chops .....or your own bet selection.  After 3 Ls stop and bet again  after new trigger
( in my case i can jump in other system, see Excel  file there are 4 systems and can track all together).