Hello,

I have forgotten the english word that describes the following type of progression/system:

We bet mentally on both EC (Black and Red) with a specific progession(martingale for example).
The actual bet that we put on the table is the result of subtracting one bet from the other.
For example, if according to our two progressions we should bet 2 units on red and 3 units on black, our actual bet is 1 unit on black.

There are various such systems. I have forgotten what they are called. What word should I use to describe such a system?
"(Supplementary? Complimentary? Contrary? Cumulative?) betting"?
I know there is a specific word for it. I have read it many times but I have forgotten it.
Do you know how we call such a system in english?

Thanks for your help.

Hello GreatGrampa,

Where are you?
Anyone know?

Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on September 16, 2013, 05:01:41 AM
The bettor sets a stoploss of -50% of the bankroll.

If he shouldn't lose more than 25$, then the... "bankroll" is 25$. There is no point to specify a bankroll and at the same time specify a different "stop loss". They are the same thing.
To put it another way, even if his bankroll was 1 mil. if the stop loss is 25$ then he only has 25$ to play.

Hi Mr J,

Your calculations are wrong.

When you bet 5 numbers as a group you spend 5$ and you end up with 7 * 5$ units = 35$  Profit = 30$

When you bet 5 numbers individually, you spend 5$ and you end up with 36 * 1$ units = 36$ Profit=31$

So it is better to bet them individually.
The only reason to bet the numbers as a group is when you want to keep your bets low, because on can use the minimum bet for five numbers, which otherwise would need 5X minimum bet.

Quote from: Mr J on September 12, 2013, 07:09:24 AM

A) If we wager $5 on the above as ONE bet and hit, we get $30 net plus
our $5 = $35 TOTAL.

B) If we bet $1 on each of the five numbers and we get a hit........ we get $31 net no! you get $35 net!($1 more) plus our $1 = $32 TOTAL. $36 TOTAL

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Very good effort!

Very interesting. Thank you!

Hi Atlantis,
Can you describe the progression?

Quote from: GreatGrampa on September 04, 2013, 11:38:19 AM
Interesting and there is no one solution A lot will depend on what's happening in the table.

Indeed! A lot will depend on the specific sequence we face. We should find an adaptable formula and not a blind progression.

GreatGrampa,

I wish you the best.
Thanks for everything.

Hi weddings,

What progression did you use, because it isn't mine.

Hello Nick,

[for simplicity purposes, please allow me to change the problem a bit and make the hits 33 instead of 30. (the logic remains the same even for 30 hit, but the calculation is much simpler for 33 hits.]

How about this progression:

B=(LU/(33-WS)) +1  (we always round up)

B=bet in units
LU= Lost units so far
WS= Won spins so fa

The idea behind this progression is that we just need to recuperate our losses with 33 wins. (or the wins we have left from the 33 initial wins)

Example:

1rst bet = 1unit Loss
2nd bet = 1/33 +1 = 2 (we always round up) Loss
3rd bet = 3/33 +1 = 2 Loss
4th bet = 5/33 +1 =2
etc.
Let's say after 40 spins we are down 100 units and we have won 10 spins.
Next bet would be:
100/(33-10) +1= 100/23 +1 = 6 units
.....
Now let's say after 70 spins we are down 280 units and we have won 20 spins so far
Next bet would be:
280/(33-20) +1 = 280/13 +1 = 23 units
... etc.
Of course from then on, as we get some wins and the denominator decreases, the bets will increase rapidly. Still, I believe we won't reach the 500 units limit.

Gentlemen , I think I solved the problem 

Nick, could you program this?

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Hi Nick,

Thanks for the interesting reply.
As you already know none of the 3 progressions work, even if you use your bet selection of only betting after RED appears
(Failed session)

In my opinion, bet selection does not have any effect in our issue. As crazy or "unexpected" (yet possible) it is to have only 33 Reds in 100 spins, the same is true for only 33 series of Reds after Red appears 100 times. To simplify things...
We are looking to beat 67 lost bets with 33 won betsl
(no matter what bet selection we use, no matter the triggers or if we bet continuously, that percentage is equally possible and equally ruinous) That's our problem.

I have some interesting ideas to share in a next post.
Keep up the good work

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Hello Badger,

Thanks for the excel.
Betting inside doesn't help and confuses things. You could do exactly the same by betting on the RED even change. The logic and the result is the same.
Nice effort. However that approach wouldn't work if the hits where scattered among the 100 spins and especially if there were a few hits relatively early.