Thanks for the link Bally. Very interesting one. Some one who knows German what is Raucher mean. I can see there are 7 manual tables and two airball ones but what is raucher and nichtraucher mean.

1545 Newton Abbot racing
Its written Makari all over. Market is suggesting no different. 11l win sure does mean some thing. But see the jockey in form on it's a Gimme. With Close chases and win in the opening race definitely McCoy is up to something. The horse he is riding is not an easy one to train and hasn't won for two years now. Eventhough it represents some value at 3.4 and am going for the favourite at 2.1.

Quote from: Tomla on October 22, 2013, 03:57:13 PM
I divide into catogories or different bets, and slowly go up in money won with no stress. 

Hey Tomla, interesting. Can you explain this a bit further if you can. Just for the benefit of everyone here.

 10th June 2014 - Ghana vs S Korea - International Friendly

Count down is closing down and we are only a couple of warm-up games away from the most awaited event. Somehow the hype at England seems to be well managed this time around and is near to zero when compared to what I remember from the last two world cups. Perhaps we have come to terms with what our team can deliver. Ghana vs South korea is a very interesting clash. One team completely down with a virus and other team who has not won in my recent memory. Am sure Ghana will be looking to forget their own hand of god from last time around, which should give them some motivation. This looks clearly a Ghana win with a clean sheet and I will go for a parlay on both of them with 2.52 and 2.62. Those interested in playing safe might as well combining this with laying Ghana win to nil at 4.3.

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More or less a three way competition between Manjakani, Rolling Maul and Sergeant Thunder. Manjakani slightly preferred with Champion jockey in charge but a closer look suggests that he is not suited for McCoy's style of riding. Another one to note in the trio is Rolling maul who finally came off the mark with a 13l advantage going in favourite at Market rasen. But I can't see him replicate that in a very tough competition here. However, the conditions best suit Sergeant thunder and with Sam in charge, looks more likely to progress further. My vote is to lay Rolling Maul at 3.1 and back Sergeant thunder at 4.

Not a lot in the offering until the world cup starts as I prefer to bet only on sports that I know and relish watching. I don't know how many are into horse racing here, but couple of bets that offer value for today.

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The favourite is Nomadic storm by a long distance. Understandably so, with a win here earlier and a seven length victory in Southwell when last seen. But I have some interesting competition with a good ground, in IslandMagee in the mix and Olympian Boy returning to a mark which is fair. I sense the horse giving me more value struggling to reach the line first with one of Islandmagee or Olympian Boy beating this gelding. Laying the favourite at 2.3

Quote from: pitrak on May 31, 2014, 08:51:29 PM
Hello,

I'm Patrick and I'm new here.

I'm currently working on a system for roulette and bacc and was wondering if anybody has the zumma book for european roulette?
I have the baccarat zumma and american roulette zumma. I'm looking for the european roulette zumma.

Anyone?

Thanks

Just a small question. I have a scanned copy of the book that I bought. Is it ethical to share it?

Voted yes. Very interesting to know that there is not a single negative vote.

Quote from: greenguy on June 02, 2014, 01:27:28 AM
Obviously the very good ones were better than the hopeless ones.

I think Strawberryelephant will agree with this.

Quote from: nowun on June 04, 2014, 01:27:41 AM
This was the reply I got:

Please accept the xxeuro extra as our apology for the delay in replying and fixing your problem.

That was it, no explanation, no assurance it won't happen again.  I like to think I have been a fairly loyal customer for about 5-6 years or more, not that I have used them all that much other than in fun mode most of the time in the past.

I am waiting for a flight at this very moment as I type. The announcement goes, apologies for the delay caused by the late running of the incoming flight. I am a loyal customer flying British airways for the last 10 years or so. don't I think I deserve better explanation than that. No, because being a loyal customer I know that they will serve me right. Being a loyal one I know that they are subject to imperfections and they will try to serve me better. As esoito, rightly said they offered you an apology, they offered compensation. If they can give you an assurance they would have, but that to me represent their honesty that they can't assure that it will not happen again. Reminds me of the quote from Nissan. We are second, so we try harder.

For my short acquintance with BV, they are very fair but not far from imperfection. I will anyday continue my account there and will need a much stronger reason than this to move away. NOTE : I am not advocating BV.

Quote from: wannawin on June 08, 2014, 06:43:30 AM
For example if my game sessions are 100 spins. in 40 sessions I only see a row of many reds in 3 sessions of them. Many more than the expected in a term of 100 spins. For me to be in the presence of one of these sessions is a rare event.

Wannawin, I am from the camp that believes the outcomes in every session is a rare outcome of its own. We can go on arguing for that, but that's not the point and there are excellent arguments from Turner and Xander already in the thread that explains it.

I think there needs to be slightly different qualification for what you call as rare. We could take a few leaves from probability, variance and deviation. Rather than calling something rare, call something out of normalcy. I can already hear someone questioning my phrase "Normalcy".

It can either mean "being within certain limits that define the range of normal functioning" or "expectedness as a consequence of being usual or regular or common". We can definitely take advantage of the short deviations from "Normalcy", if we know what "Normalcy" translates to in roulette terms. The difficulty lies in understanding what "Normalcy" means. This is another endless discussion, but the only one thought process of normalcy that any one will rarely disagree is that there is 18/37 or 18/38 chance of the next spin being red. It is questionable, whether this can be translated into a collective phenomenon for a set of spins.

To be honest, there is no known advantage of playing or not playing occurences of a few reds in a row. You can put a number to "few".

Someone raised a question of 9 reds in a row followed by another 9 reds in a row. Why 9, lets make it simple. The probabilities of getting 2 reds in a row is different from the probability of 1 red followed by another red. See below why?

RB, BR, RR, BB - The probability of two reds in a row is 1 in 4 or 25%. Now if you assume that after 1 red, the probability of the next spin also being red is 1 in 4, it is not right. Why? See below.

RB, BR, RR, BB. After 1 red appears, your chances diminishes to only RB and RR, or 1 in 2 or 50%. Just extrapolate this to probability of 18 reds and 9 reds appearing after 9 reds. This is precisely the reason why your point of entry matters. This is precisely the reason why placed bets matter and virtual bets do not work. It takes a beating to get a grasp of this concept, but once you grasp this, you will realize that most of the things will fall in place beautifully.

Just to clarify, that is not to say that there are ways to use the collective probability. My only point is there is a reason why probability treats dependent and independent events differently. You cannot break collective probability and translate it into individual probabilities and the definition of what is rare need to be taken in this context.

There was another question around why no one has seen 50 reds in a row raised in this thread. The above explanation holds true for this case as well. As Xander rightly pointed out, it is one out of a number of various chances that can happen in 50 spins. To give a bit more to think on that, we all know that 50 reds in a row mean only an identified set of 18 or few numbers to appear in 50 spins. It is possible and rarer (lesser possibility) than an identified set of 18 or few numbers to appear in 49 spins. But both these events are out of normalcy.

Simplify it further to understand it better. Consider only two outcomes Red and Black. RB, BR, RR, BB. It is less probable (not rare) for an identified set of outcome to appear twice in two chances than occuring once - 1/4 against 2/4. But extrapolate this, you will realize that it is becoming lesser and lesser probable until a point when it is perceived to be "rare". The point is there is essentially only one measure "Probability of a chance". "Rare" is just a perception and relative observation. For someone who plays one session every day of 50 spins, it might be rare to see 18 reds in a row. For a croupier, who spins for a living 18 reds in a row might be something very common. Larger your sample size gets, "Uncommon" becomes "Common". Can you exploit it in simple terms? In theory, No. In practical terms, Questionable as you will never be able to prove it one way or the other. It needs a bit more than thinking in terms of reds and blacks and more than pure mathematical terms to exploit it.

I can do that if there is some interest.

Quote from: Garnabby on June 08, 2014, 09:33:00 PM
focus on the individual recognizable patterns

Garnabby mate, What does this mean?

Quote from: Xander on June 09, 2014, 06:24:39 AM
I have a question:  Do these elegant patterns ebb and flow?  [smiley]aes/wine.png[/smiley][smiley]aes/wine.png[/smiley][smiley]aes/wine.png[/smiley] 

Xander friend - I don't think there is anything to laugh at. Everyone is entitled to their beliefs. When I started not a long while ago, my belief was on ECs, patterns so and so forth. Am glad no one laughed at me, but after going through so much in these times and working through practically and placing bets on the table, I believe now that there are nothing like patterns that you can exploit. It is the way we have been thought to think by roulette creators and there is nothing foolish or ashamed to be human. I get what you are saying, but it will take a bit of out of the box thinking to think that way and it cannot be imposed by preaching. I can see you telling the same thing for another millions of years of come