My brader Asymbacguy, per your definition, I should stick to the slot machines but even then the slot machines these days are so complicated, I don't know how they determine wins. So many lines and so many lines.

Really like is said, there are many ways to skin the cat. Mathematically is one way. But I cannot imagine me having the intellect to  sit down and have a meaningful conversation with Asymbacguy on odds here and there. I was trying to find a cartoon sent me some time back that showed mathematicians at the highest level of the intellect food chain. Higher then the medical people.

But I dream to work with Asymbac one day. And with Glen, Jimske and etc. God bless. Please continue to grace this site with your expertise brader!

Glen -  it is really hard beyond comprehension to continually win 4 or more in a row. 

Then it must be really stressful to do 1-3-2-6 Glen. Because if you explain it in the next breath, it gets confusing. I remember somewhere you mentioned its subjective and it could be 1-1-3-1-2-1-1-6. Correct me if I am wrong. So the more then one unit bets could be arbitrarily placed and not necessarily consecutive to each other

Pray tell.

Used to be the site was informative. Then it got more informative as Glen went through a period when he was ?talkative? and posted lots. Which was just as well as the articles resonates with real baccarat experiences. For me anyway.

Then things got nasty and everytime I came here the posts were nothing about gaming but lots of personal attacks and innuendos. A dark age. Well, as in the casino, its always ?show me the money?.

Can we get back to where we were before the dark age? Please?

Let me start the ball rolling?

There was a time when somebody asked if bet selection is more important or money management. The votes were quite evenly split. I chose money management. Until today, I still believe so. Bet selection works for the trenders some times and works for the anti trenders other times. The decider comes down to MM when you are winning and when you are losing.

Nostalgic post. The lady from Canada is Celine Dion and she is at least as big as Elton and Rod but that comment cements the view that ?America is the world or at least the centre of the world? to most Americans! I used to visit Vegas; Caesars, MGM Bellagio Wynn. I remembered attending a Celine new year eve?s performance. My heart will go on, The power of love, Because you love me. Wonderful night. Caesars hosted a dinner and their table wine was a Lafite 1961! The decadence is unbelievable.
Yesterday when I was young...

Glen,

I appreciate and salute you for your dedicationto this forum amd its noble aims of educating baccarat players. The efforts you put in to record games played in the midst of real money betting is in itself a tremendous challenge. And the ?essays?  (and I mean this in a most respectful way) is a greateffort and sacrifice to put your experience across. By and large these experiences as you narrated are really useful guide. Of course when you narrate in the volumes you have, there probably have been instances where the message was not interpreted the way you meant it to be or there may be situations you may have inadvertently contradicted yourself but circumstances were different but not fully explained. And then critics jump on it and said ? last time you said this now you say this ...?. I can only say that your pieces have been informative and very relevant as are contributions by some others.

Stay the course Glen. I just wish those who do not agree with you treat you with more decorum. I really don't know what's their problems. But sometimes you have been abrasive yourself without provocation. But I find your articles, long winded as some of them may be, to be informative and relevant for baccarat players to stay alive on the game!! God bless

Whether FTL or OTL, there will be times when each of the methods work like a dream and times when you will be taken to the slaughterhouse.

To my mind therefore, in this random game with periods of non random trends, the key to winning is in the Loss Management of your visit. Everybody wins at some point. When they start losing, they have to enforce strict discipline of Loss Management because the losses creep up on you. Win one lose two. Win two lose two. Win two lose three. Win one lose two. And soon the winnings and the capital are together decimated. Gizmo despite his professions of his ability to keep track of win/loss had his failings at this precise situation. Perhaps he has improved on it.  But in any case, my moot point is that Loss Management is the key. Not bet selection. But feel free to disagree.

Merry Christmas everyone, happy holidays and may the new year bring you all that your heart desires! God bless.

Glen, I really admire your passion for the game and the time taken to share your experience with all of us. To all intents and purposes I would say what you have written applies aptly to the majority. I think given the diversity of the human populace, it is my humble suggestion that perhaps there is a tiny percentage of people who sees the game differently, are able to control their emotions differently and find it easy to deal with the many issues and problems you have correctly written about. But by and large, I agree with your eloquently presented articles.

Just like there are the minority of people who can be a Jeff Bezos, Mark Zuckenberg, Bill Gates or Jack Ma

Good command of abusive offensive English. 🤪😂🤦🏻‍♀️  Entertaining if they know how to stop. Since they don't, I suppose the moderators did what needs to be done .. Takes all kinds to make this world

Were you addressing your article to me? I was just posting a Bloomberg article about a small group of guys using mathematics to make @1 billion in betting on hirse racing. And I went on to suggest if mathematics can be used to make money on the 4-legged hoofed animal, using mathematical formulations to win on Baccarat should not be beyond imagination.

Having said befor that mathematicians are at the top of the intelligence food chain the article seems to reinforce the perception that there is a mathematical way to prevail at baccarat and perhaps the one school of thought should give more credence to the mathematical way. Except that the pro mathematics school in this forum seems to argue vaguely on HE and the whys and wherefores.

The Gambler Who Cracked the Horse-Racing Codehttps://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2018-05-03/the-gambler-who-cracked-the-horse-racing-code

The mathematicians on this beloved forum of ours maybe right after all. If horse racing can be reduced to algorithms, Baccarat must be a breeze. US$100,000,000 a year.

Always always give space to those who talk about things we don't know

1) so it would seem that there will be occasions when the shoe results totally contradicts any proposed system outcomes. For example the illustrated 1 B followed by 4 P and repeated 5 times. I al a trend follower and would bet until the losing bet. Granted the random theorist or maybe a system follower recommending breaking the trend would end up losing this part of the shoe as would Asymbac I would presume. Had he played then.

2) But you see Asym's theory may be working for him most of the other times. And if such a situation unfolded before him, he could maybe had stayed off based on his experience.

3) To each his own. Asymbac is an experienced player and I am sure his systems have a basis for long term success. Just wondering what he has to say. This exceptional situation may be the few instances he would lose had he stuck by his system but more often then not, he would prevail?

4) of course if such a strong trend were to present itself and one was to bet to break the trend, one may not look good; to put it mildly

Apologies if I do not sound too scientific or mathematical in my attempt to present my ideas. After more then 15 years of gambling and much losses (which I will categorise as R&D 🙄☺️ and will recoup over the next 5 years), I do think that. Human emotions. Sigh

So to identify how one can overcome their weaknesses, my suggestion is to impose 'arbitrary ' rules that we 'must' follow. And if we cannot impose these rules on ourselves, then we should bring someone along to help impose these rules upon ourselves. For example, whatever our accumulated winnings, when we run into a change of patterns or put the other way, when randomness sets in, and we start losing our grip on the situation, the self imposed rule could be reduce bet size to half or 1/3 or 1/10 after the first loss following a series of wins. If you lose 2 out of 3 bets stop for the next 15 rounds. If you lose 3 out of 4 hands, go take a walk for an hour. If you lose back 30% of your winnings or 40%, close the session.

Winning is easy. When you start losing, the issue is how to control oneself because just a few rounds of losses can inflict damage not only on your bankroll but on your psychology as well. Most of us  may claim peace or pray for peace. Peace can be easily ruffled in such situations. 'Impose rules'

Agreed that Baccarat is a game of randomness. Amidst these randomness, there are occasions of order and patterns. It is for the Victor's of the game to win on more hands then they lose if they can identify these times when there is order and patterns.

I think for the most part, everyone who has played the game has always been ahead or winning. Its at the end of the day or sessions that count; whether the person walks out a winner or a loser. The odds of 51.3% sounds like pittance on the occasions when there is order and patterns and one happens to be there and follow the 'shoe presentment' (a 'patented' terminology of alrelax 😎). I often watch with amusement when there is a long pattern of 'Banker' or a long period of chop-chop alternating banker-player and this one guy betting for randomness against the whole table. Until he was wiped out and he approached me and say he doesn't believe it. A mathematician perhaps? Told him if he follows the pattern he only loses the last bet when randomness sets in. Why stress?

Amidst randomness, there are always periods of order and patterns. Just as in life, there are periods, often, of order and peace. And periods of utter chaos. Just like a drive in the highway, there are periods of smooth driving and periods of 'immaculate congestions'.

As in life and in other businesses, there is only a thin line between success and failure. I really do believe each one of us have to identify our own demons and control it to win at the game. Discipline is a problem for many. Winning at a certain point in a play session above the 51.3% rate is not the problem. Maintaining the wins is the problem. So whether it is money management or discipline or whatever, we need to know ourselves and find solutions for it.

I tend to agree with Alrelax based on my personal gaming experience although I must profess I have the highest respect for Mathematicians (who I have been told in a recent discussion, is at the very top of the intelligence food chain even above the medical folks) and perhaps it is because I lack the IQ to understand their field and how they work.

The defining factor that make any system suitable only to an individual to a smaller or larger extent is the human emotions. Perhaps the mathematicians can formulate all human emotions but for sure even given a certain exact trend then prevailing, humans may react differently because the players at the table are different, the dealer is different, the player just quarrelled with the wife, the player just had a fantastic 50 shades of grey BDSM sex etc etc.

But like I said I don't understand enough of the power of mathematics. Because I read all the time of computerised share trading systems that make millions for the industry giants lole Goldman Sachs and the like purely on crunching data without regard to human reactions. A few differences are apparent though. These computerised share trading systems are supported by huge amounts of capital that can move the markets making it self fulfilling. It cannot happen on the baccarat tables. If the next round is meant for Banker to win, no matter how much you wager on Player, Banker will still win. Also these computerised share trading systems need lots of data and computer power to come to a recommendation which a baccarat player sitting or standing in the casino will not have the privilege of using. Even for online gaming, the time interval between each round makes it impossible to use such systems.

My 2 cents worth of opinion.