Thanks everyone for the spins.

Can someone give me 5 sets of 100 spins? Am asking because, I don't want to get biased in my findings. Any help would be much appreciated.

Cheers
Yanks

Another sweet session I played probably a week back on BVNZ. Note the streak of +'s on the end. To put things in perspective, I have also had sessions where I had a streak of 5 -'s as well.

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Quote from: Chrisbis on July 31, 2013, 09:09:46 AM
Well the game is played with "chips" ............. so makes sense to add a battered cod now and again! lol
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Quote from: Marshall Bing Bell on July 31, 2013, 07:36:11 AM
Here is the speediest gonzales of all!
  TRINITY is still my name... GREATEST Movie Poker Scene Ever! Terence Hill And Bud Spencer Rocks!

Whoa... Loved it... Why don't they make such movies these days..
As he says, it's a good start

Quote from: Turner on July 31, 2013, 08:28:48 AM
nice to see a good original idea bettered.

Thanks Turner. For a moment I read "battered". It took me some time to read it the right way [smiley]monkey/baca.gif[/smiley]

Sure Proof. Can you point me to places where I can download spins from American layout?

BO/RE/RO/BE - Is it all a myth? I have just completed the sample tests for Easy peasy system and it clearly tells that there is no  point in scratching your head over which location to bet if BO comes and scrapping into a tracker to track the numbers. You just need to taste a drop of wine to say how good it is.

Test strategy
3 sets of samples were independently and randomly taken from my spin database and tested for Easy peasy method as Atlantis plays it (using BO/RE selections), static bets (start with high and line 3 and switch to the opposites for every double loss), random bets.

Results
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Conclusion
For easy peasy system, it doesn't matter how you identify the "Where" part of bet selection. You could do it based on your phone number, you could count the number of bar ladies in the casino and bet based on that or you could simple bet looking at your watch, it doesn't have any influence on the game. What matters is you should bet either "High and line 3" or "Low and line 4". On a loss increase the EC bet by one and on a double loss increase the line bet by 1. Play in mini games with a target of +3. That's all that matters. "Where" part of the bet selection works equally bad or good irrespective of your bet selection being dynamic/static/random

Now watch him walking the streets of roulette. He was dancing merrily on the BV Single Zero real table for a 50$ bankroll.

Speedy Gonzalez

Trackers, analysis and results over more spins to follow. If time permits, a bot for BV to follow! Enjoy the summer and enjoy Mr. Speedy González doing the "Jarabe Tapatío". Ariba! Ariba!

@Chris, hope you don't have the mute the video and switch on your music. I have taken the pleasure to do that for you!

Now that you concluded that do one side why not just do a FTL of the groups

First test and only one session. Nothing conclusive. But if this is the indication of things to come, I am not surprised and I will be more than happy to accept the outcome as it is.  Agreed proof, casinos might have a say on the outcome, that is all the more reason to believe and not spend so much of effort on the "Where" part.

The system used for the test is Easy peasy from Atlantis. The play is across 50 spins in Dublinbet in three modes Using the methodical selection from Atlantis and greatgrampa (using BO/RE triggers), static selection (start with High and line3 and after a double loss switch) and random selection. The results are for here to see. As stated earlier I will do 4 more sessions on this before switching to another system.

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Quote from: Bally6354 on July 29, 2013, 04:34:03 PM
Curiosity got the better of me and I decided to give it a bash at Smartlive over 36 spins.

Bally, fantastic analysis. Just another thought. Do you think we really need such a complex selection process. What if we pick the last group that appeared and play it until a win or a natural stoploss of 36u before picking next group. For your 36 spins from smart live I got to 173u and the max DD was -10.  Spin data below.

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Spins,Group,Notes,BR
6,2,Play 2 until win or loss of 36u,0
35,7,,-5
31,7,,-10
2,2,Win.,21
14,4,Play 4 until win or loss of 36 u,21
29,7,,17
3,1,,13
2,2,,9
27,5,,5
34,8,,1
14,4,Win.,33
13,3,Play 3 until win or loss of 36 u,33
36,8,,29
3,1,,29
8,2,,25
11,3,Win.,61
33,7,Play 7 until win or loss of 36 u,61
23,5,,57
35,7,Win.,89
21,5,Play 5 until win or loss of 36 u,89
6,2,,84
23,5,Win.,115
26,6,Play 6 until win or loss of 36 u,115
16,4,,110
26,6,Win.,141
1,1,Play 1 until win or loss of 36 u,141
1,1,Win.,172
3,1,Play 1 until win or loss of 36 u,172
22,6,,167
23,5,,162
2,2,,157
5,1,Win.,188
7,1,Play 1 until win or loss of 36 u,188
22,6,,183
22,6,,178
29,7,,173
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So here is my break! Here comes my chance to take a break from chasing the 20k and test out, energize myself and prepare myself for the next attack. I am going to use this break to hone my thought process further. There are several random thoughts (yeah random!) that flows across my mind now. But I am going to park them at the moment and jump straight to what I wanted to achieve in this break. I intend to share those thoughts during this quest as and when they become relevant to seek further feedback from my fellow forumers who have extended excellent support so far. Thanks!

Ever since I started playing for real and associated myself with this community, I have disciplined myself to ask 4 questions before I place every chip on the table. Which, where, when and how much.

Which – Which position to play. This is normally guided by the system that I am adopting. Let's say am playing Easy peasy system. Then the answer to "Which" is 1EC(high/low) and 1 line(3/4). If am playing GLC's even chance system, the answer to which is one even chance. If am playing GG's triple shooter the answer is 3 Even chance positions one of a kind.

Where – Where to place your chips. This is completely different from which position to bet. This "where" is normally guided by some conditions. Let me take an example of Easy peasy system. Depends on how you are playing it whether the last spin is "BO/RE/BE/RO" decides where to place your chips. While "Which" guides it is 1EC and 1line, "Where" guides the exact EC and the line to place your chips on.

Both of these combines to form your bet selection approach.

"When" – When to place your bets. There is a whole host of techniques around Virtual betting, "wait for x losses" before betting etc, stop session after 3 losses decides the when part. This can be essentially grouped under "Timing"

"How much" – How much to bet. This is essentially your money management within a session. All progression techniques, flat bet propositions will give the answer to this question.

Now that I have decided to ask these 4 questions before every bet, my next thought was, how do the answers influence the outcome and the bankroll. My thought process at this stage is (of course it will evolve over a period of time), Which and where is something that I control. For a moment, let us assume the outcome is perfectly symmetrical, i.e., I get 50 Reds and 50 blacks in 100 spins or I get all numbers from 1to 36 twice in 72 spins (give the green goblin a well-deserved rest for a moment. He must be tired working so hard for the casinos). Then "Which" and "When" leads us to controllable attributes. They are the elements where I can force my control on, just like I set a routine in my life to have breakfast every morning.

Now "Where" is something where eventhough I express my control on, the outcome is completely controlled by random. I can only predict what can come next. Prediction can be based on a number of parameters and in roulette when all pockets are equal, you cannot predict with any degree of accuracy unless you are GOD. It is like this, which all you gentlemen may be able to relate to, when Manchester United plays reading, you can predict with reasonable accuracy that Man U will win the match, but when Man U plays Man City, then it is a tough call. I wish in roulette some slots showed higher strength like this example. But unfortunately that's not the case.

"When" is a concept that's really tricky. I am neither mature not knowledgeable enough to discuss it. So will leave it at the moment.

So my quest during this break is real simple. If "Where" is not in your control, why lose sleep over it? Why can't you adopt a static selection. Why can't you adopt a selection which is pure random. I know there are hypothesis around that is against static bet selection. I completely agree with every one of you and to the record to me static bet selection does not sound right. But my question is, does a defined approach which is not static, is it right or is it a fallacy. E.g. FTL, is it right? How much better or different is it from static bet selection.

I am going to take simple systems that I am comfortable with. I am going to play them in Live wheel (I don't want to get into RNG/Live wheel questions at the moment, as I agree with most if not everyone here that live wheel is best as RNG is not a reflection of true random). I am going to play 5 games of 50-100 spins for every system using a static bet selection, dynamic bet selection defined by the system author and a random bet selection. When I say bet selection, I mean the "Where" part and not the "which" part. My objective is not to determine which one is best, but to determine fundamentally whether it has an influence on game play.

Mr. Roulette wheel, here I come!

Hey! hang on! I think I saw this somewhere...    Got ya!  Is this video, trying to do exactly this?
http://betselection.cc/even-chance/triple-shooter-for-even-chances/msg16281/#msg16281

Congrats turner




@kimo-is it not the case with eu layout as well.   One half has red high and black low.  Other half has red low and black high numbers.  Again this is only dividing the wheel into half.  There is a pattern in which even and odd numbers turn up as well.  But that's only when you divide the wheel into 8 equal parts.......