I think the problem with the number history shall be solved in this version. I did test using M7 and set the playaccount to 60.00 and the win target to 90.00. That's a large win target of 3000  units, and then  make the fun betting going to many chips. I found it working all the way.


I would be good if some of the users did the same test, so we can be sure the number history will be correct.


If we find this problem solved and the number reading works, I will start and extend the range of money the bot can handle, for now it is from 0.00 to 100.00.




http://roullettebot.com/bot/BvBot.exe.zip

I will run RB and use fib progression. Follow the last most the time, if I see it starts chop I will stay at the color after a loss.  The progression will increase if I lose 2 of 3 spins. I use 0.1 chips without any predefined stoploss.


24 spins


I go for 100 units.

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I will run some testing honestly wanting difficult runs. How to deal with sessions which has under average hitting.


I will end a session as soon on plus, which is wise on a difficult session. If the hit rate is very good I will prolong the session somewhat.


The first one lasted 320 spins, with 6 hits. The hitrate is 1 in 53, a low hit rate so I stopped at 64 units plus.


The picture shows which spins got a hit. It is one straight up.

Short imbalance "Which can not happen!" Be aware beginners, this happen all the time!


The pictures shows 40 spins on a fair wheel.  FLT was the right method.




Very black! Not rigged, we suspect i only if we lose.

Some will laugh, and some will regard this as an undefeated method.  It is of the kind we see quite often on several fora.


The winning method is large bankroll and hefty negative progression. They all have it in common.


I will use all common GF and Voodoo, and of course have confidence I will win.


The method is hot numbers, I will play the first number I find which in the last 20 spins -1.
A number will be used until a hit or 20 spins. If no hit I will MARTINLGALE and do 20 more spins of the next hot number and go on until I win or bust(which I should not even see as an possible outcome     )


I bring 100000 units to the table and aim for a 1% winnings ie 1000 units.
The only thing I simplify is tracking, I will bet every spin, but it could be more likely to last if I reduce the betting to about 1 in 250 spins, which should delay the bust so far I could just stay cool and nobody should notice it, as this thread will getting old and long by then.


So let us start using the shortcut betting all spins, I will start now and report the outcome.

The bot has get a bugfix. The bot will know if the connections to the casino is in problem and wait it out and not try to place bet if the table is locked, if the connections interupt more than 30 seconds the bot will stop.  The scripts will stay with its state, it is possible to resume when the connection is open. The history display is better, but I think it still will be situations when the display of the history numbers can be incorrect.

The reading of balance had a problem 34.95  was 43.95, that's corrected.

The link to the upgraded bot is a bit different than before, pleas use the link here.

http://roullettebot.com/bot/BvBot.exe.zip

We test and if it goes not very well, we reject it. If the test works we try it real, we can win or lose.
I am not used to lose, and I test on real play if I am allowed. The rejected tanking methods are later used by others, and they claim it is a winner.


I did this play due to 1 add  on loss and 1 minus on win, had been bad in some tests on low stakes ( lost 5000 (cent) twice in a row).


Just for(try)  show the game is a game of chance, i did a short play, using 1 Euro on the last color and 0.1 on the last number.
I won some and hit the both color and number three times in  42 spins.


Who will state it is the methods which  is a winner or it just went well by chance?


Some may say it is a short run and it is just luck. I do not argue, but that's about the longer runs?


I have been working to simplify methods to the extreme, and I can not see it will work less good than the troublesome methods which occupy the player with a lot of paperwork or software and time. It may be done for fun, and this is OK, but I am not sure it helps winning, even if you win.


The game has 2.7 in edge, it is smart of the casinos to have it low, because nobody play if you can not win, and the human memory is so, you can ask any who plays, the answer will seldom be "I lose", it will be  "I win" or more common "I am at about break even". The last statement is probably true, ABOUT is very like 2.7 % in loss.


Some of us are lucky and make gain other are not, I am not sure it is the methods. To SOME extent but not the greater part.

Some posts are miles long due to the poster want to show a long session of play, and that is of course OK, and needed for explaining the topic. If we replay on this topics, it is not needed to quote the whole post, some threads becomes miles long and the scrolling we have to do can make the threads less attractive to follow and read.


We can remove the long col of numbers in the replies, it is already found in the original post.


It is examples of very long replies, and the replay is three words, and sometimes out of topic.

I have tested this only ten sessions. All session went as I wanted. The win goal is 10% of the risking bankroll.
In my case I start with 100 Euro, and aiming for a balance of 110. 




I expected the sessions should be very long, but those ten lasted about 200 spins each.




It is very simple rules. We bet as many cent as we have  euros in the game account. If bankroll is 100.00 we start with 1 Euro on an EC.
If we win we have 101, then we bet 1.01 Euro, if we lose we have 99 and then bet 0.99. We can use any betselection we are confident works better. I used FTL.




It will take very lot of losses to lose all the bankroll, and soon or later we may climb up to a bet of 1.1 which should mean we reached our target. The method demonstrate the strength of any betselection.

If the server at the casino not respond or has connection problems, the bot could try to start place bets while the table still was locked. This is fixed (but still not for downloading please wait until I tell it is an update).  This is not very easy to fix, it is possible to loop wait until the casino unlock the table, but it can happen it never does or it take very long time. Then the program will hang. The solution I have coded is it waits for the casino maximum 30 seconds, if the casino is not responding during 30 seconds, the bot will turn autospin off, and we have to restart. The scripts will keep theire values so the play will resume when we start again. In my testing I had 240 chips in play, and the bot never placed before the casino was ready. Sometimes the graphics in the game have not time to update, it can looks not every bet are placed, but it is, as with the casino autospin, the casino not always wait for the graphics to update, and start spinning before.
This can happen only when very large numbers of chips are placed.


Still I have to fix the history display, if the casino have connection problem, the history display can miss a number and duplicate a number. I will look into that in the coming week, if it is easy to fix, it will come in the update during the week.
Otherwise I will upload it anyhow, as the first problem is more annoying.


I post when it is uploaded.

From time to time every fora has post of never losing system, and sometimes they call them Hg. The most common "proof" is test running a very long sim. Ever more advanced analysis show it is not bullet proof. They have never challenge the Wizard of odds, which should gain more than play the HG in 100 years. Some try to earn from selling it.


Very common is they place very few bets, it can be 1 to 10 % of the spins, they claim it is needed for break down randomness, or wait for a sure trigger. What ever the sim is done in far less spins than claimed.


We know there are winners in the game of roulette, two different players can use the same method, one can win a lot, the other lose. To win in a very long run, you need a method, but without some luck it is not possible to win.


Every long series of spins has a large amount of spins which can be lost or won, it is not possible to find a method covering all, hence it is impossible to make a 100% sure method. 


You can use a method which may help to some extent, progressions, statistic, but it can not for sure make you win, and the fact you have won is not a proof.


Most of the "winning"  methods use a hefty bankroll, accept very deep drawdown, use progressions, and/or make a lot of spins without betting. Some use statistic. This can help, but still it is not so it forever "beat the wheel", if lucky you win if not it lose, and some methods lose very much when it happens.


I will start a testing, not with history spins, and a simulator, but a play at an on line casino, make a lot of spins,  bet every spin and try to make it stand for very long. It will be done in fun mode at BV. The reason is I have to play less real for a while, as it is restrictions. They never ban winners (some claim it but it is not winnings then which is reason) but  they can set restrictions on the max amount you are allowed to win (in future, you always get paid).

I will test a method which is in my mind (can have  been used of others but I do not know).


I will pick a number, bet that number always until win or bust.


I will use a soft progression, so it may be a lot of spins.


The first spins is done, see picture.

Strictly by math it will be no difference in the outcome using any bet on a EU wheel. The loss will be the HE in the long run.  I use to play a few chips inside, but would like to test if I can win doing opposite.   I will use 2000 units and if that is lost I give it up. I will use a NZ wheel for the play as in this case I consider the chance of winning must be better as betting 34 leave 2 numbers not covered instead of three.


I will play against the last two numbers would not repeat. This is in all ways opposite how I use to play. On a loss I will bet some fewer chips to try to recover, and if real deep I may consider a progression.


I will do a session a day for some time, and end it if reaching 20 units plus. The NZ do not allow to use more than 24 hours to finish, and the game can not rest over 60 minutes.

This time I will play one split, using 200 units as stoploss. I will pick numbers wich can be regarded as "hot". More sessions should be lost, but can we win 9 of ten??


The split played first was 0#1. 67 spins and  plus 23.


(I will us about 20 as win target).

At http://www.bettingsimulation.com/ you can run simulation on some classic systems.


I did 10 simulations of three different systems.  Playing 1 unit had 20000 in bankroll and run every session for 10000 spins, no win target.


Martingale lost 7 times of 10 the loss was sometimes the whole bankroll.


D'Alembert lost every time  2 times the bankroll.


Fibonacci won every time  between 1200 and 1700.


Ten trials is not much, but it was 10000 spins.


The reason I tested was I thought D'Alembert was even worse then Marty, It looks not so bad using about 30 units in the stakes, but when it goes for a long period it eats on the bankroll.


Marty was a killer, but not as D'Alembert (they lose heavy).


The good result on Fib was probably some lucky play, it should lose as well, but the example show it is possible to double a bankroll of 20000 in 100000 spins despite the HE.


I do not know if the script is written so it shows  a random result.

I have tested ( a lot) playing from EC:s to straight ups using a progression which add one on a win, if not on plus.


At the first look it seem like playing straight ups, should need a larger bankroll and due to variance  come in problem if the number sleeps a long time than for example a doublestreet or a dozen.


We  can however we bet always come into situations which is near or impossible to save, but I have seen it is not so common with straight ups and splits as lower variance bets.


I have a double street which were 1000 units down and then turn and after 331 spins ended with 20 plus. Just a few loss more had probably  made me stop.


A DS which hits just under its average for long time make the bets higher very soon, and it can not recover which a few hits, it will not be "hot" for so many spins, the session takes long and wave up and down for long time.


On the other hand a straight up, if it come out far under average, it cost  one or two chip a bet, and it needs one or just a few hits to catch up even if it is far behind.


From playing a lot of sessions, my experience is straight up and split are at least not  more risky than double streets using the method, probably safer.


The pay out and the probability  and odds says it should not matter which bet we do, but that's  on the average, the problem happen when the hit rate are low for long.

This morning I am going to try all double streets in order from one to six. I will use 0.1 chips.
The method is simple add a chip on a loss and reduce 6 on a win. Stop and take next ds then back to one or with some plus.


Starting on first street and I will report the results. (I have had a 90 sleeper, so do not try it with too small bankroll or higher value chips).

I will play one straight up, using 0.1 chips and aim for 1000 units today. Let us see how it will work.


The first number is 0 and I hit it fast. Start with 80 Euro in game account. By misstake I did one spin using 0.01.


31,20,20,36,32,10,22,20,16, 6, 7,27,30, 0,

I put 40 Euro to the Airplane slot at BV. I did not even know how to start the game as no button start was found. I pressed a couple of buttons and the game start, taking 20 Euro the first spin. I did not here know why I bet 20 Euro. Then I pressed the button once again, and it was zero in the play account,  I got a hit(Do not know why as the game I do not know and never before played).


The result is 1490 plus.  I think it is the second time in my life I try a slot, the machines which I think I can not win on. I still think it is not anything which will pay, I just got there at the right time.

I put 50 Euro as risk in this play and played two days. I used the bot but manual play as well. It is all together about 6500 spins. I was in danger for the bankroll once, and it took 900 spins to come out. Sometimes everything went extremly well.  I used mixed mehods, and all of them are well known, so no secrets, rather good luck. Most of the time looking for repeating numbers.


I ended up at more than 500 Euro.

I got a good hit, a 200 odds at BV Express. Went from 50 Euro minus to 150 plus in one hit.


Fine game as from Christmas  a lot of penny play have been adding up.

Did 300 spins using one straight up. I played number 18 all spins.


One up on a hit if not new high. Max bet was 5 units. This time I used 0.1 chips and put 50 Euro on risk.

Starting a play with all splits in order of the table from 0#1 to 35#36. The same rules as I did before.
Using the bot and the one split script.


I have done from 0#1 to  17#18 which is about half of the splits.


2337 spins. Total units bet 7114.  Plus 1868. I use 0.01 chips. Not any deep down so far.

I sometimes us BV multiball. It needs an other thinking, as  using one ball methods use to not work well.


I play numbers, dozen and cols, all other bets looks not so useful in multiball.


When playing doz or col I use to pick one and stay there and try to win 10 units. I have seen that it is not good to play more than on doz or col. Do not use three balls I use always two.


I use one up on loss (None  the both numbers is not in my selected bet) and go down one unit (if more than one) on win if it is one hit or double hit.  This has been working well.


This play I used 1 Euro (Note a yellow chip here)  Got 10.5 Euro.

I did a test using one straight up, I think I have done 500 sessions which just one become a loss. I have tested the method without any bet selection, just pick a number or in order on the table.  I did the same using a split for some hundred session, which had one loss.


In the testing the loss was not a small part of the winnings, but still it come out very well. It will soon or later cluster some losses, and then I have to try to improve the methods, to increase the hit rate, if it is possible.


The test I am running now, is two straight up, which cover as a split. The betting will be on the two last shown numbers. It start with two units, one on each two numbers. If a hit and plus, we just continue or end the play. If back we add a unit to each of the two bets.


The play I have done up to now is  297 spins, which have a total betting of  1358 units and maximum 16 units in a spin (8 each number).


The result is plus 406 units.