Quote from: Bally6354 on January 06, 2013, 12:01:57 PM

This is the truth!

It is my belief that they are probably loads of roulette players around the world winning with strategies that they have developed themself!

Are the casinos worried?

NO!

Why not?

Because they know that the methods are not the sort of thing that 95% of regular players are going to be able to replicate.  Most gamblers are just that....'gamblers'.

Another thing is people like Skakus have told everyone what they do. It's there in black and white. He can't do any more than that. I noticed someone asked him the other day if he could put all the rules in one post. The rules are already in the thread. So this guy is even too lazy to read 11 or 12 pages and study something which Skakus may have spent the best part of a few years in his spare time perfecting. It really does beggar belief.

I am in the 'johno' camp nowadays. It is already out there.The people with the right attitude and determination will find what they are looking for.

My sunday rant is over. 

There is nothing to replicate. Its so easy to blame laziness if somebody does not win with your method. 

Quote from: JohnLegend on January 03, 2013, 01:13:25 PM
Matt you have mis-understood the triggers again. I have been taken to the 11th loss twice in 160 games.

A DOUBLE TRIGGER IS FOUR LOSSES

LL
LL= DOUBLE TRIGGER.
LL
LL
LL
X-----I have been this far twice. playing H.A.R on a live wheel only. Now what we are proposing is a TRIPPLE TRIGGER an 10 step progression. So random would have to show me this if it wants my 106 Units.

LL
LL
LL--TRIPPLE TRIGGER
LL
LL
LL
LL
LL--16 consecutive losses.

That may well be another VIRTUAL H.A.R LIMIT. Keep this in mind. what's got me so excited about this is the recovery is only 53--65 wins. But as sure as night follows day. The strikerate is going to be alot bigger.

VIRTUAL LIMITS are the CLOSEST THING to a certainty you will ever see in this game. TRIGGERS don't WORK? Alot of people are in for the shock of shocks this year.

Atlantis in his last sample in  50 games had 9 times 11 or more L and once won on the last 10th step. How about these stats?
What happens here is a classic reversed engineering by trying to back fit progression to the stats. If he played here for example 8 step progression after 2L trigger the results would be disastrous. So lets make 16L a virtual limit. How did you come up with this number? 

Quote from: SamNL on January 03, 2013, 12:24:55 AM
I will do some tests with some permanenzen from Spielbank of last year. Starting at 1-1-2012. Just like Sam is doing with the LvF test on the other forum.
Have only done 1 test now because it's getting late here. Will test more later and report back with results.


I just have made a second test on the online casino where I usually play and have attached the results of that session too.

Sam

You would have lost 2nd game played using 2L trigger and 10 step progression. John goes 150/0 and you go 1/1. Atlantis plays 80+ games where 4 times you would go to the last step of 10 step progression after 2L trigger. John never sees more than 9L. 

Quote from: JohnLegend on December 30, 2012, 06:20:53 AM
Hello Matt, I've never waited 500 spins to get 2 or 3 games.

I am now playing 7 ON 1 on both dozens and columns. As its simply not even being challenged on dozens alone. Yes its betting against 7 consecutive 4 gaps after a double trigger. Keep in mind now Matt I only PLAY LIVE. Matt you know well I only truly trust live play. Its the format im profitting against. Therefore its the ONLY format you can truly use to make a comparison.

Anything else is the lazy mans way to try and perpetuate the myth on this games longterm invincibility. To some that myth must be upheld at all costs. That's where I come in, to show its always been a myth.

The idea was innitialy born out of the fact that over several years of results for the ZONE. I could only highlight two times 6 consecutive 4 gaps. I could find nothing greater.

I am also currently testing 7 ON 1 against 1 million real spins. One dozen at a time. For my own peace of mind. As I will know whether in a continuous play fashion it stands up or not. And this will also prove H.A.R as a superior play strategy for 7 ON 1.

I personally already consider it a virtual H,A,R grail. Its so difficult to land dead on top of a losing run. It could win for years. And when it does eventually lose it will be of no real significance. This is the best we can do in this game.

But if we CAN DO IT the game is beaten. No ifs, buts or maybes.

John

You can test much faster by pressing F9. You played on BV and you are ok with RNG? I saw 7 gaps 3 times within 5000 spins.
It went also 50000 spins without single loss.  You never know where you will land.

Quote from: JohnLegend on December 30, 2012, 05:33:54 AM
You are no different to anyother detractor Giz. YOU ASSUME you have all the anwsers. Like everyone else is a fool if they don't DO IT YOUR WAY.

There lies true ignorance. The marti IS NEVER GONE. It is the backbone of ALL my methods. Your MISTAKE like many. Is in assuming it is my KEY reason/claim FOR SUCCESS.

NO, The KEY REASONS and ONLY REASONS I will be successful until the day I draw my last breath. Is H.A.R together with a decent BET SELECTION. And SMART MM on the more vunerable methods like PB.

On FIVE, and 7 ON 1 no human factor no MM is required. PLAYED H.A.R they simply WIN. Secure profit. To play them requires the biggest reason this game is still thought of as unbeatable. PATIENCE, PATIENCE AND MORE PATIENCE.

That is lacking in the masses. And it's a key ingredient to success with this game.

Hence why the game will ALWAYS be there for the patient and clever to use for monetary gain.
And an excuse for maths devotees to say 1+1=2 and that's all she wrote regarding your chances of being a longterm success.

Is 7 on 1 betting against 7 consecutive 4 gaps after 2 triggers?  You can use tracker made by Stef and simulate HAR by pressing F9 key that generates 500 spins. It shows max number of gaps in each dozen. Would you agree John that is a valid testing of HAR?  You just get sometimes only 2 or 3 games in 500 spins.

I played today on BVNZ and no problems with "mutually exclusive bets". As to systems winning in fun mode and tanking in real play i think its quite normal. Its usual to be up in testing after relatively large number of spins and experience a downturn.

Quote from: JohnLegend on December 23, 2012, 06:06:06 AM
Wrong about what matt? Statistics don't grow BRs Matt this is what you all will have to scratch your heads about in 28 weeks.

You can call me wrong until the cows come home. But none of you can explain how wrong will translate into great success. There is for example a new method sitting on this forum. NOT MINE. That is an ABSOLUTE DIAMOND. I already know this. While you are all arguing about the virtues or lackoff for H.A.R and PB whatever.

I've been putting it through the REAL arena of success and failure. And its another winner. Like I said of KRs attitude. IS IT THE METHOD/S that FAIL. OR THE PEOPLE PLAYING THEM.
I know the answer to this and more and more of you will come to know it in the next 6 months and beyond.
One thing I've noticed Matt is you are quick to criticize when you think you have the upperhand. Like when you thought you had me on this 70 wins on the foruth step for FIVE. Now you keep going on about Shoguns run from hell with PB.

But the overall picture remains the same. In only 200 games played he was still slightly above 7/1. Its the longrun. I've carried 5/1 across 200 games AND STILL MADE A PROFIT. Now tell me how im going to fail.

IS IT THE METHOD/S THAT FAIL OR THE PEOPLE PLAYING THEM??

My point was that according to stats your runs of 40+ wins are nothing out of ordinary and don't demonstrate advantage of HAR approach. With Shogun stats my point was that his bad run was just less probable. Naming it RFH is a bit of overstatement. What about your 100+ winning streaks. RFH as well but H now stands for Heaven.  Its just ups and downs. Using statistics can verify claims that you can only have some stats playing HAR. As to FIVE i based my stats on your initial claim that you later changed. As to a new method you called DIAMOND is it the one with 5 triggers?

Quote from: JohnLegend on December 22, 2012, 03:32:03 PM
Bayes I know this isn't a personal attack on me. But im giving my side of the story. All I say is this. If I sat there and played 40 games of Pattern Breaker in a row. You can be certain I would lose at least once. So now tell me why I can win 40 or more playing H.A.R if it has NO ADVANTAGE?

Shogun lost 5 times out of 7 playing HAR. This is far less probable than your winning streak of 40. I think that you need to learn some statistics. Your chance of having 40 winning streak is around 1 in 200. Hardly out of ordinary. You are wrong.

Quote from: JohnLegend on December 19, 2012, 05:13:12 PM
well yes, apparently Robeenhuut thinks Chauncy47 is me. Even though he is American. And Mr overeaction said he has a U.S IP that can be used anywhere. The lies that man has spread about me.

That's why I say anyone who claims to be successful with PB must be me. When subby proves success he will be me next. And so will you. don't play expecting long winning streaks Dino.

If they are going to happen they will happen. I've gone 200 games with nothing better than 15 in a row. THEN BAM I hit a 30 plus. Especially when I play ONLY HIGH LOW.

I won 28 games on BV then lost. And won four more before Superman and me left. Now on PADDY adding those 4 to what I've won. I am currently on a streak of 36 games.

That's two back to back streaks of at least 28 games. I couldnt get close to that playing both HIGH LOW--ODD EVEN. That's why I took it home.

And why I will absolutely succeed. And shut alot of people up in July next year. Results update coming later.

For the record i never said that you were using different aliases. I questioned Mr Pilot stats and of course i disagree with your
HAR approach and idea that betting on some patterns can produce better results. And you forgot to mention that some guys like Trebor and Shogun reported less stellar results with PB. Besides what are you going to prove John?. Only that if you ride favorable deviations you will end your challenge with the profit.  If you end up in a loss there will be an explanation for it ready. Casino cheated or i should have played once a day instead of 5 times a day and so on....usual stuff. One that really amused me was for FIVE i think after somebody lost on BVNZ you came up with the theory that its better to play on BV zero RNG.

I think that Subby plays O/E as well and Mister Tarantino had the best strike rate on R/B. 

Quote from: JohnLegend on December 15, 2012, 12:45:52 AM
No to be precise as you will find out when Victor finishes the tracker/tester for 7 ON 1. RANDOM struggles to produce more than 3 or 4 gaps like this 1--23--32--27--3. Before it MUST then produce a gap like this 1--23--32--27--30--3 or more. It could on occasion total more than 30 spins because of repeaters and shorter gaps of 2 or three. But seven 4 gaps in a row playing H,A,R. Will be rare.

This is a by product of playing the ZONE for many years. I noticed that random simply cannot stay under 5 or more for too long. And played H.A.R its scarey. I might go years without loss.

For 7 ON 1 to lose random at the PRECISE time I decide to play a game. Has to show me seven 4 gaps without producing a 5 gap or more. And using H.A.R that's very, very, very hard to lose.

There is already a tester for dozens made by Stef on other forum. It shows how often 4 gaps occur within randomly generated 500 spins. You can choose a single zero and no zero options. You just press F9. 7 gaps are rare but 3 gaps don't happen that often too. Its the line of thinking that its easier to win 3 step Marty after you saw 15 Reds in a row than right from the beginning. Yesterday for the first time i saw more than 20 pattern of EC's. Chops of R/B for 21 times in a row on BVNZ. And i won 10E on a first bet  Just a unintelligent luck. 

Quote from: Ralph on December 08, 2012, 07:25:42 AM

No I did not even own a bot then. It come up on cc forum a discussion of coding a bot, Steff and I went on and did it. Steff us excel and I use scripts.

I made 180 units today on BV single zero. I got disconnected few times but it went relatively smooth with auto spin.

Quote from: Ralph on December 08, 2012, 07:11:11 AM
This one on number 24.  100 spins and 116 plus.




24,34,18,20,34,27,36,36,32, 5,14,34,21,25,35,22,22, 3,36, 8,12,22,34, 2,25,15,27,14,36,23,17,29,35, 0,35, 7,35,27,17,24,24,34, 9,10,34,27,25,20,10,10, 4,21,25,18,26,36,36,20, 7,30,22,28,18,12, 7, 3,35,10, 7, 4, 7,14,34,19,10, 0,15,13,19,23,35, 0,25,20,21,24,23,25, 6,24, 3,33, 0,34,31,19,12,12,24,10,




The bot including this script can be downloaded now from my section here.

Ralph

Did you use the same bot since you joined Rouletteforum.cc?

Quote from: Ralph on December 07, 2012, 05:18:07 PM

I did that script fast and it may be malfunction, I told you as testing the bot not the script. This weekend I will drop the boot to anyone, the waker may not be there. I will test or let other test scripts. I advice at that point just do demo, for testers.

Great stuff  Ralph 

Quote from: JohnLegend on December 07, 2012, 07:08:44 PM
Thanks Shogun, it will be a defining moment. I can't wait. Chauncy, Shogun is saying he lost 5 games out of 7. Very, very unlucky indeed. But I want to know how did they transpire across the two even chances.

For a while now I have been questioning the value of playing TWO EVEN CHANCES at the same time. The reason being I began this method with just HIGH LOW. And over an 18 month period had three very impressive streaks 48, 101 and 105.

Since I adopted ODD EVEN again for FASTER TURNOVER. I've never gotten close to those numbers. COMBINED 29 is the best I've managed to clock up. With 34 being the longest singular streak for HIGH LOW.

Now I believe the reason for this is, with H.A.R we are entering the cycle randomly. It is EXTREMELY unlikely we will manage to produce two streaks of 15 or greater SIMULTANEOUSY for the two even chances. PLUS we stop after a winner. So that winning streak will be criss-crossing between the two even chances.

And one of them isn't going to make 15 plus. With a  pure singular EVEN CHANCE. I think FREAK winning streaks are more realistic. As you are always playing for that ONE even chance. I have a 28 currently for HIGH LOW on BV.

So for me personaly I am going back to the start. And concentrating on HIGH LOW. My strikerate NEVER fell below 12/1 when I played only HIGH LOW longterm. With HIGH LOW and ODD EVEN I've struggled to get above 10/1 for a while now. Lets see. 

Odds of 1 to 2000 if im not mistaken. Not so rare in my book. The same odds like around 60 winning run. Anything can happen.     Making predictions about a strike rate is useless and the more testing and playing is done the more people will realize that.