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#76
Straight-up / Re: The 123-Move
January 31, 2013, 07:13:53 PM
Ignatus...why do you not ever listen to people who have far more experience in testing, study and play than you? 

No one here is trying to beat you down...we offer constructive advice and then you get offended and it spirals a little outta control sometimes. 

I can recall on another board being scolded by you for "complaining too much" when I tried to offer a voice of reason because you had invented the grail which I knew did not work...(this is just a month ago)...you would not listen to reason.  Your minions had run thousands and thousands of spins with defective math and were ready to own the casinos.  You continued to deride me and within 12 hours of the holy grails discovery it was fully tested, annoited, and anyone with a voice of reason shouted down...oh yeah..and then it was removed because of faulty math, faulty logic and it crashed and burned...   And...it did so in such a dramatic way that you removed the entire thread as if it had never happened.

Do you get your kicks by starting these kind of threads and then just try to keep punking people?

Just askin'.  Real players try to help you and everytime we all come away with the same feeling...every single friggin time.  I am sure I am not speaking solely for myself.  I do not know Gizmo or Ophis...have never talked to either.  But I've read their posts, and I've read yours.  You may not agree but you should take counsel and respond with a little dignity.  Take it for what it's worth.

Now just a tidbit on your 123-Move.  It's a 12 or 13 number bet with basically 3 sets of 3 fixed wheel sectors.  You just linked wheel sectors 1,2 and 3 together and called it dozen 1...wheel sectors 4,5 and 6 together...dozen 2.  Wheel sectors 7,8 and 9 together...dozen three.   It's not revolutionary.  You are talking to people like they have never bet wheel sectors before.  We have...we do. 

Some sector methods play the center sector and the two neighbors, sometimes people take the last number hit and it's direct 6 neighbors on either side (keeping with your dozens theme).  Some are looking for hot numbers and other sleepers, others are looking for patterns such as your 1.2.3 or 3.2.1.  People are speaking from experience that you are not giving them credit for because anybody that has been on the forums or around the wheels for any length of time have seen it, done it and know what the upside and downside of these methods are.  We are trying to tell you.

Many methods can be great if they are just 10% new.  Just a little different slant at the way you look at something.  Change the trigger, change a progression, implement mid-stream stop-losses...the list goes on and on so far as the tweaks that make a decent method an exceptional method.  The problem is many of the best tweaks make the methods difficult to track and play in live wheel sessions and that has to be taken into consideration as well.  There are many players on these forums that can be a great asset to you...don't keep driving everyone away and wondering aloud why no one will help you test today's great idea.
#77
Straight-up / Re: The 123-Move
January 25, 2013, 09:45:05 PM
Like we covered on the other board...your wins need to be large enough to be meaningful against the losses... which are inevitable...just sayin'

Bet selection...just like Gizmo said...and it you get a 15 or 20 spin sleeper...you're gonna get lots of triggers...because it's just going to keep bouncing back and forth and every bounce is a trigger if you are playing all flow combinations.  The only way you survive it is with long streaks of the other two dozens and very minimal chopping...which isn't likely in that scenario. (yes it's possible...but it only takes once against a small bankroll to put you out of business on this type of method)
#78
General Discussion / Re: When and why are we winning!
January 23, 2013, 08:39:55 PM
Oh if only that happened when we were at table max on the one time bet huh Bally?   Still feels nice to call 1 number and see it drop...then of course there's the inevitable regret for not playing heavier
#79
What are people ridiculing you about?  Hope it's not about using the word skosh...they'll be coming after me next  ;)          I musta missed those posts where you were taking heat...I tune out on some.  Keep up the good fight...you're plenty resilient from what I've seen

How is your wife doing Sam?
#80
General Discussion / Re: When and why are we winning!
January 22, 2013, 08:16:23 PM
Sometimes you just gotta play that hunch...nice win...too bad it wasn't on a number straight up like the one before...that would have been very nice!!!!   Especially to have broken your method to play it for one bet on a feeling...I love those kinda wins...sometimes you gotta play with your intuition
#81
I think bet selection is the key...without it you are almost certain to fail.

That being said... progressions have their place.  If a method is normally profitable on a fairly consistent basis (all methods no matter how good have their failures too and most failures wipeout alot of profitable sessions in one big swipe) a small progression with a stop-loss can be pretty effective.

The next logical step would be if a method or combination of methods had a very high session win rate (something of the order that a second or third straight losing session is in the seemingly statistically insignificant classification)  You could flat bet or use the slight negative progression and if a loss (using a stop-loss so it doesn't dig to deep of a hole) then increase your base bet in the next session or two.  Maybe scale the betting to earn back the loss in two sessions in lieu of going big and possibly going home with a big bust.

It's all common sense stuff that's been discussed tons before.

Bet selection and money management...the heart of it all...consider everything and all potential outcomes...then you are almost prepared for the outcomes you failed to even fathom.  Surely if you dismiss any aspect of the entire betting process it will certainly raise it's ugly head to let you reassess your deficiencies in a quite unsettling and financially destructive manner.

Just my opinion


#82
General Discussion / Re: Is Airball Roulette Rigged?
December 15, 2012, 02:37:01 AM
I was on IGT Roulette Evolution wheel yesterday...virtually no play...couple people playing $5 a spin...gal comes up starts playing the greens $40 a spin (they are cold at the time...maybe a single 0 hit in the last 100 spins)...4 maybe 5 spins in she wins. 
Don't know if that means anything at all in this whole conversation...but they always seemed fair to me.
The ticket like the slot machine sort of had me thinking at first too but the whole point is to do away with payroll and without automating the money process somebody would have to cash you in and out.  I'm sure there's alot more to all of this...just a quickie observation.