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QuoteYou don't need thousands, and I'm not sure how JP came up with those figures, doesn't it depend on what your financial targets are?

We talk about going full proffesional and gamling for a living.

Every 4 week you have to pay bills, rent and food.
For example, rent 500 Euro, food 600 Euro, bills 300 Euro - that is a total of 1.4K

I say you need 1 year of income to make 1 year of income
It will also come 4 weeks when nothing works and loses chop and you still have to pay 1.4K - so psychological war is not easy going pro.

Money management is the easy part and the psychological war is worse - i read that many fails because of the psychological aspect and not the game it self.

Cheers

John Patrick mention one thing that strike my mind.
Does who has 2 to 5K or more look for other investment then roulette.

If this is true, then most members don't even have a solid bankroll.

Cheers

Quote from: Whiskeypete on March 09, 2015, 01:32:46 PM
If the author of his or her own thread wants to delete messages he or she feels is not adding value to the purpose of the thread, he or she should have that right to do so. I'm not sure what's the big deal with that.  To me, this is not an ego thing, more of polite housekeeping. Sounds like if there was a vote on the topic, this case should be closed.

Whiskeypete ... i agree with you ...

Cheers

But there is a error with Holloways progression.

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2 Increast with +1
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3 Increase with +1
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4 Increase with +1
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5 Increase with +1
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6 Increase with +1
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14 Increase with +2
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25 Increase with +3
28
30 Incerease with +2
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35 Increase with +3
40 Increase with +5
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70 Increase with +10
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135 Increase with +15
150

As you can see you have Increase by +2 and next should be +3 then it drops to +2 again - that is wrong.

Cheers

A father buys a lie detector robot that slaps people when they lie.
He decides to test it out at dinner one night.
The father asks his son what he did that afternoon.
The son says, "I did some schoolwork."
The robot slaps the son.
The son says, "Ok, Ok. I was at a friend's house watching movies."
Dad asks, "What movie did you watch?"
Son says, "Toy Story."
The robot slaps the son.
Son says, "Ok, Ok, we were watching porn."
Dad says,"What? At your age I didn't even know what porn was."
The robot slaps the father.
Mom laughs and says,"Well, he certainly is your son."
The robot slaps the mother.

But then again you will just cut it with modified progression, could be that the progression accept a small lose and the end or half the coust
This is because you have table limits, so you have to tailor a three level progression, this is not easy

For exampel dozen 600 Euro - Lines 300 Euro (2.5 Euro units)
And three level progression

0.5
0.5
1.0
1.5
2.0
3.0
4.5
7.0
10.5
15.5
23.5

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31
47

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62
94

 This numbers are not correct that i post above, but they indicate that if you are going to have 99% probability to win you should start from that figure or later
Later it is, becasue a dozen have sleept 32 times during 1 milion trails (12 numbers)
So 15 or 21 would be a long term trigger to achive 99% probability with some kind of certanity

But for example 32 times sleeping dozen can happen twice or the record can be broken with a new sample of 1 milion trails
So only luck determine if you will succed during your life time with a 11 step progression

But then again i refering to Holloway and his consertative progression
Lets assume you have a trigger with 11 step progression
Then you could play minium with 11 step and if you lose move up to medium base bet and if a loss again move up to maximum, same principal as using a line like 111112222333445
That would mean you have to hit the extreme three times in a row to lose it all back and not stay within profit

Single
1 number
170 times
99.05%

Split
2 numbers
85 times
99.11%

Street
3 numbers
55 times
99.04%

Square
4 numbers
41 times
99.08%

X
5 numbers
32 times
99.03%

Line
6 numbers
30 times
99.5%

X
8 numbers
19 times
99.02%

X
9 numbers
17 times
99.12%

X
10 numbers
15 times
99.11%

X
12 numbers
12 times
99.09%

I post this for my own reasons and share for does who might think like me
There is no patterns or bet selections or triggers that works
So what is the point betting or play the game if you can not win

I will do what Holloway did - a Gap Book - but maybe not for the same reason
Now i want to know the blending edge where something is due - i know nothings is - but i reckon that some event will not hit me during my life time
So i want to know what the extreme events is and play against them and see how i do

I have now a contact that code everything into Roulette Extreme, so i will not only create a Gap Book, i will also have the code for each and every method
Now i will post the result within this topic, but if you want the code you have to split the coust i pay for it

Cheers

I belive the progression is from  Louis G. Holloways book  "Full Time Gambler" not sure.
But there is a error with the progression, is not fully right.

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25 <<<
28 But here it continues with a raise of 2 units and should be 3 units.
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But you just count the steps and correct that error, so do you get a fully working MM.

Quote from: NathanDetroit on February 07, 2015, 07:54:24 PM
Life as a pro gambler requires a  stock portfolio of $ 600,000.-- , home or Condo ownership without mortgage and a  gambling  bankroll of $ 50,000.--.


ND

5k is nothing ND - but maybe there is a way.
And i don't have 60K in stocks LOL

Lets say you have rent, bills and food for 31 days each mounth 1400 Euro.
You work for a living and pay this amount of money for your needs.
We might also add 200 Euro for fun things to do and clothing, so we end up with 1600 Euro.

Now how are we going to earn that money each mounth.
We can not work and play professional in the same time.

I assume that if We play professional we will spend at least 8 hours each day in casino.
Can be to get action when other pepole are around or getting the right conditions.
Just as regular work.

There is no gurantess, i assume you will have good mounths and bad mounths.
So where is the money comming from and what kind of size do you need for you bankroll.
I would say you need at least 25K one year of income to make one year of income, right ?

I would also say that you need to take advantage of the state/govurment.
In my contry you get 80% of your salary as insurance if you not have work for one year.
After that you get 65% of your salary as insurance if you not have work for as long you want.
But to qualify for this you have to show the insurance company that you search for work each mounth.
You need to apply and write like 20 companys each mounth.

Now you have insurance if your to become professional not succed and during the path or jorney you have insurance with some minium wager from the goverment as uneployed.
I assume that is how some one neeed to do it or make it if they don't have 25K as bankroll.
Then maybe 5K would help some one build a decent bankroll during 2 years period - maybe reach 30 to 40K
I also think as professional you will traveling around and get other expensives, bills.

This is also a very important expect about gambling.
When you working in my contry you get points from the gouverment for your pension.
So when you grow old you get money from the state and can live a peace full life.
But when you not working and gambling you don't get this points or insurance.
Then you get minimum pension from gouverment that is around 600 to 700 Euro.

Now we can assume there is around 700 Euro missing. (if working we would get 1400 E)
And when we grow old we want to have around 1400 Euro or more to get a peace full life as old person.
We might live 30 years more after 65 years old.
That means you need to save money to get a decent life as old and we are not talking about peannuts.

This means that during your gambling carrier you need to play big and win big.
You might grind during bad flucatations and variance when bad weeks hitting you.
But when you play your regular game you need to win serios money.

So can it be done - Yes and No - you need to be clever and use the society to your advantage to get a good start.
If you don't have 60K in stocks and 25K bankroll

Cheers

But how would that method help you win 10 units each day/twice.
To achive the winning target is not easy.

For example i aim to win small and stay when ahead and even operate with casino money - lower my base bet by half - even cut loses short/small - and i still find it difficult to achive 10 units each day with 4 step staking plan.

But i don't give up - i love the concept above.
Still searching for other selections to succed with the strategy above.

QuoteCan you get rich betting on birthdays" link there is a three column with 8 possible out comes

I like this method that you mention and i love the concept - but still i have not find any good entering and exist points using the method to achive 10 units each day.

2   1
1   1 L
1   1 W
1   2 W
2   1 L
2   1 W
1   2 L
1   1 L
2   2 LL

2   2
1   2 L
1   1 L
2   2 LW
2   2 W
1   2 L
2   1 L
2   2 W
1   2 L
2   1 L
2   2 W
1   2 L
1   1 L
2   2 LW
1   1 L
2   2 W
2   2 W
2   1 W
1   1 L
1   1 W
2   2 L
1   1 W
2   1 L
2   1 W
2   1 W
2   1 W
1   2 L
1   1 L
1   1 W
1   2
2   1
1   2
1   1
1   1
2   2

QuoteHi Sputnik.
Just a question.
How do you manage the tax issue when the game will provide the invariable "stagnation" periods at a given same level?

For example, if your MM dictates to bet 1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1 and the deviations are included in such space, you are losing money as the vast majority of any WL sequence or other "proportional" sequences will provide a small loss (banker vig at baccarat, zero/double zeroes at roulette).

Thanks in advance

as.

With the tesst above i run original 2.7 % house edge as i was curios how it would effect using this kind of MM.
I only play roulette with La Partage Rule 1.32% and i repeat my bet if zero strike - as it would not exist.

QuoteThanks for sharing. One question re your post 3 above is : assuming your win the 7 units progression, what is
the amount of units to bet on the next bet......? Is it 6 or do we stay at 7 units until all losses have been recovered etc......
Thanks.

When i strike and win i count 0 and when i start losing i count -1 -2 -3 -4 -5 and when i move up one level with the MM i star the count form 0 again and -2 -4 -6 -8 and so on (as i know how many 2s there is for next level)
When i win then i reduce the count.
So if i would be up 7 and won then my next bet would be 6 and if that bet won i would bet 5 and if that bet won i would bet 5 again as the MM has two 5s at one level.
You following the progression up and down depending on how you win and lose.

THE POINT IS
I only get lucky with variance hitting my way.
I can not hit 50% winnings with this MM method.

Cheers

 I am not sure if i win more then i lose, but i am winning using this kind of methodology.
The highest bet with first graph is 7 units and the secound one is 3 units as highest bet.

I think this is great and i want to say thanks to Nick who show me some material about the subject.
Not the attach PDF.

Now i testing a very long smooth progression and is working and i like that i don't have to place so large bets.
I move up and down on the latter as i win and lose, very simpel.

I think it is pretty amazing that you can use this staking plan a % game with stopp loss ...
This is only half the progression that i show ....

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