Can you mention five members or person from other roulette forum boards that can code .dgt files for roulette extreme.
I have not seen to many around that can code advance .dgt files.

I know Ux software code for money when they have time.

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Here you have Brett Morton's "playing to win with pdf edition" ...
http://www.highstakes.co.uk/shop/product.php/25230/0/

Here you have John Patrick's e-books/pdf edition ...
http://johnpatrickcasino.com/
Go down to page and click on e-books.
I recommend his roulette book with blue cover "advanced roulette"

 
PROGRESS UP THE LADDER - PLAY AND PUSH OR FALL INTO SAFETY NETS


Fund management - targets ...
It should be the core how to deal with your play during sessions.

This method have a lot of fences to avoid you losing control.
As you can see with the image so do you always fight against the casinos wall of money.
Symbolic for the negative expectation against you.

Now first you have to set Loss limit and win goal.
Lets say loss limit 100 and win goal 20 or happy point, the amount of money that would make you happy to go home with.

100 LL
20 HP

Now lets assume you reach your win goal with 20% and want to continue to push for more, then you don't want to lose it all back, from this point you will always walk home as a winner.
So you have to set a bottom line target, the amount of money you can not touch after reaching your win goal.
This is the first safety net or fence.
BTL = Bottom Line Traget.

100 LL
10 BTL
20 HP

Now you can see we set the bottom line target at 10 and it could be 5.
Now let assume you play with 1 Euro chips or unit size, then it means you have 10 units left to operate with to win more to reach next win target, gold top.
We can set the gold top at 30.

100 LL
10 BTL
20 HP
30 GT

Lets say you are in strike mood and reach your second win target, then you might want to aim for jackpot.
To day is your day.
Then Happy point gets to be your second safety net or fence and you can not lose money below it.
Then you have 10 units to push for more.

This is the principals.
You can set any numbers as loss limit and win targets.

100 LL
10 BTL
20 HP
30 GT
?? JP

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Slim my advice is to forget everything and start from scratch.
But you start from the right point.

You have to understand that almost 99% of all gamblers come up with strategy's and no one hold up when it boils down to money management.
So i argue and my friendly advice is that you start out first how to handle your money, before you pick any strategy to play.

For example with John Patrick style.
Lets say you have a master bankroll with 3K.
Then you split it into three and bring 1K to the casino.

Now you might want to have money for 5 sessions and that would be 200 each.
But in reality you would only try to win two sessions out of three.

Now you have your 200 with 20% win goal - that is reasonable and a loss limit with 50%.
In reality so does this mean you can only play with and lose 100.

This determine what kind of unit size you should use.
Also rule out all fuzzy strategy's and you have to stick to the cruel world based upon this money management principals.

Assume you lose two sessions, that is 200 and you still have 200 left.
This make you feel strong and not as a loser as you bring money back home with out getting a wipe out.

This way you can see the limits of what kind of strategy to use.
Here you can see how you handle your money and sessions rule out any fuzzy game plan.

This should be your engine room when developing methods.
I have further more information about this subject, for example how to avoid the 20/100 flaw.

You have to have a way to capitalize above 20% win goal to cut it in the long run.
This is how i see things and getting the edge over negative expectation.

Most experience players would use a  low win target, lets say 20% ...
Lets say the buy in is 200 and loss limit 50% or 100.
Then we get what i call the 20/100 flaw.

You have to win 5 times in a row to reach 100 and then you are just even.
Lets say you get busted after that, then you have to start all over again.
Then comes recovery progression to recoup and assume you get busted again, then you have gamblers ruin.

This means that low win targets and loss limits does not give you an edge, by it self.
But if we aim to win more when we are ahead, try to capitalize when we are in strike mood, then we might get an edge over the game.

Lets say i play one week or 5 days.
+20 +20 +20 +20 +20 up +100 if i lose once i give it all back and might use a recovery progression and maybe end up with gamblers ruin.

But if my winnings look like this.
+40 +30 +50 +20 +30 up +170 if i lose a week playing i am still up +70 overall.

This is why i like Brett Morton's Money Management and John Patrick's Money Management.
They capitalize above fixating win targets with built in accumulations strategy's, pushing for more.
In the end that give you some kind of edge over the 20/100 flaw.

If you want so can i write about Brett Morton's excellent money management method.

This is how i see things and getting the edge over negative expectation.

Most experience players would use a  low win target, lets say 20% ...
Lets say the buy in is 200 and loss limit 50% or 100.
Then we get what i call the 20/100 flaw.

You have to win 5 times in a row to reach 100 and then you are just even.
Lets say you get busted after that, then you have to start all over again.
Then comes recovery progression to recoup and assume you get busted again, then you have gamblers ruin.

This means that low win targets and loss limits does not give you an edge, by it self.
But if we aim to win more when we are ahead, try to capitalize when we are in strike mood, then we might get an edge over the game.

Lets say i play one week or 5 days.
+20 +20 +20 +20 +20 up +100 if i lose once i give it all back and might use a recovery progression and maybe end up with gamblers ruin.

But if my winnings look like this.
+40 +30 +50 +20 +30 up +170 if i lose a week playing i am still up +70 overall.

This is why i like Brett Morton's Money Management and John Patrick's Money Management.
They capitalize above fixating win targets with built in accumulations strategy's, pushing for more.
In the end that give you some kind of edge over the 20/100 flaw.

 
I play roulette around 20 years ago.
Then we did not have international casino, we had restaurants and pub's with roulette.

You could only play with 0.2 or 0.5 chips as maximum.
So if you had to use some kind of progression you had to take advantage of the layout and cover more bets.

My first method was playing against one dozen to show six times in a row.
So if dozen 1 hit and could place 2 and 3 up to five times using the layout.

I once won all chips the dealer had at the table, then later on i lose it all back.

Cheers

Quote from: FLAT_IN_O on January 04, 2014, 12:02:17 PM
Exactly how I lost 6 k recently in Tunisia....9 spins 1 un..if plus restart...if minus,next 9 spins
2 un,and so on....but at the end zero/s catches you.

One visit and 6K - i have to say you are a real gambler.
That is serious money.

I learn that you divide you money before hitting the casino.
Lets say your master bankroll is 3K.
Then you divide it into 1/3 and take 1K to the casino.

Lets say you will divide the money into 5 session with 200 each.
Then you will have maybe 10% win goal and 40 to 50% loss limit.

If i would lose them all i would still have 500 left to bring home.
And my master bankroll would be 2.5K

But losing 5 session in a row would never happen as most experience gamblers would recognize that everything goes against them during the evening and stop before that.
Like winning two out of three sessions or quit.

So my question to you is how do you handle your money?
How do you divide you master bankroll into smaller sessions?
What kind of win goal and loss limit do you apply?

Cheers

Quote from: Kimo Li on December 30, 2013, 05:01:02 PM
HAR is a viable strategy, not because it's going to make a difference in randomness, law of averages, or intuitive betting. I would love to sit a one casino for hours on end. The problem lies in the attention that I would draw by making a large sum of money.

HAR, therefore, is an effective way to make a decent amount per session per casino, rather than a large amount at one casino.

HAR by definition is absurd.


Kimo Li

Nice input ...

Quote from: weddings on December 29, 2013, 10:11:51 AM
this poll is definitely inaccurate haha

I got the same feeling ...

 
Well take one member like "flat in one" something ...
He say he did all that in the past, make a living on gambling.
Different methods and progressions.

If he can do it, then others can do it, if its true ...
My 2 cents ...

How long does it take before zero grind out your bankroll.
Seems like forever.
Feels like variance is a bigger animal.

 
The question is if members lie at this forum board.

1. We have members who claim they can stay ahead.
2. We have members who claim making a living on gambling.

And all that based upon fallacies.
Why did not randomness bite a big hole into there bankroll ?
Or why did not the house edge grind out there bankroll ?

 
Hit and run is any different then any other method.
All gamblers have there own personal permanence.
No matter how they play.

If everything is based upon fallacies, then how do we deal with does who win.
They make money out of Gamblers fallacy, how can that be true.

Should we regard all this person as lier at this forum board.
Or just regard them as lucky for a short period of time.

What does this prove or show us ?
That you can make money based upon fallacies ?

 
Can some one explain this ? and what's is about ?

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What are you going to do with the money ?
What is so sad about it ? the title of this topic says "How Sad" ...

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