I know fibo and see a old post in the past about Frank Barstow's variant of the 12 step fibo.
his version was 15 steps.

Is it in the book you buy, if so could you post his variant or variants of the fibo ...

Many Thanks

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About even money bets they say you can not gain plus 1 unit flat betting and win more overall then you lose as there does not exist a positive expectation.
We know the game has a negative expectation, but how close can we get hovering around break even point or even reach a positive tram during periods of time playing.

That is a question i ask.
I try out a bet selection with even money bets using the odds 2 against 1 to see how it preforms.

The math behind flat betting is very simple.
Lets assume we say that we try to win plus 1 unit for each session.
Then plus 1 unit has to overcome the amount of attempts we using to achieve plus 1 unit.

With this experiment we use two attempts for each attack to gain plus 1 unit.

Random org 2013 01 16
Flat betting.
20 Sessions.
Win plus 18 units.
Loss minus 4 units.


-2
+1
+1
+1
+1
+1
+1
+1
+1
+1
+1
+1
+1
+1
+1
-2
+1
+1
+1
+1


That was a positive tram ...
Next looks like this ...

Random org 2013 01 15
Flat betting.
16 Sessions.
Win plus 10 units.
Loss minus 12 units.


+1
-2
+1
-2
+1
+1
+1
+1
+1
-2
-2
+1
-2
+1
+1
-2


This one is hovering around break even point.

Quote from: Juiced91 on January 16, 2013, 07:07:58 AM
Here is the first one:

There's a tricky bet for having a 36-number layout coverage and yet win +1 unit on a hit:

How can it be? Targetting #19 as the only number to leave open, the bet goes like this:

3 chips go to number 0
72 chips to low (Covers 1 to 18 )
48 chips to 3rd dozen (Covers 25 to 36)
16 chips to corner 20/24 (CVovers 20-21-23-24)
4 chips to straight-up number 22

If any number other than 19 is spun, you win +1.

You need a table with "Le Partage" rule for this bet to work.


Testing the validity of this bet with Roulette Xtreme.

First you need to enable Le Partage:


Then proceed to test the winning bets:

At a straight-up win, we win 4 x 36 = 144 chips, minus 143 chips layed = +1



At the corner, we win 16 x 9 = 144 chips, we lost 143 chips layed = +1



At the dozen, we win 48 x 3 = 144 chips, taking in to account 143 chips layed = +1



At the even chance, we win 72 x 2 = 144 chips, substracting 143 chips layed = +1



If Zero shows up, dealer returns us 108 chips as payout for it, then takes away losing chips: while from the 72 chips layed at low by "Le Partage" rule enabled at the even chances dealer takes 36 and we get 36 chips back. As we won 108 = 108 won + 36 chips back = 144 chips - 143 layed = +1 unit profit even when zero hits! Positively letting only 1 out of the 37 numbers as a loss, and winning +1 unit at 36 numbers.





It is important to notice at regular Roulette without Le partage, you have a net loss of 35 chips when zero hits so we really need this Le Partage splitting rule:





Of course, the downside is losing spin costs 143 chips. But for doing that bet your REALLY have to do next spin and want the very least numbers against, this "tricky bet" can do.

Also you can mathematically split all the bets in half to win +0.5 instead of +1... but the problem is the Zero. The dealer won't be too fond of you splitting a chip in two to bet 1 and a half on zero

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Thank you Jucied91, that was exactly the one i wanted to find.
The other one was Romansky and i find it among old topics.

Many Thanks.

Sputnik

Hello Victor ...

I search for two old topics and can not find them.
One is that you can over all the table accept one number and still win plus 1 unit.
Second one has the name Kasparkow something, it also cover a great deal the table.

Many Thanks

Sputnik