QuoteOkay the buy in is expensive

What progression are you using JL

Quote7 ON 1 is the same as 8 ON 1 Bayes. The only difference is we go from a double trigger to up to 7 instead of a treble trigger up to 8.

@ JL, I've just re-read the whole 8 on 1 thread as I did code it, you say it's now only 2 triggers, that's exactly how Twister was playing it on that thread

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Re: ****8 on 1****  « Reply #104 on: October 22, 2012, 03:07:22 AM »   

   
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I've found it so hard to get a Treble Trigger I just play with Two Triggers

So that's what you now have in 7on1? plus you only play what progression now on 7on1?

QuoteYou are actualy beating the game in walk.. you never know how session will end and how long will it be. So it seems to me that you are in a way still testing and getting confidence with this by real playing with low limits, even after so many won sessions

Sounds about right BUT mentally I intend for the session to end in the plus, I have thought a few times of ending a session in the negative, temper mainly, but that would be defeat so mentaly regroup then plod on again on bad sessions this can be tough. I'm still learning though and have been playing with the idea of using 0.20 as a base bet, when I played this way before JL had my account I was playing in 0.01 units LOL

Quotehowever one could argue that I would be saving people time trying to prove something that isn't ever going to work,  difficult call

Yes it is a tough call but it's better to show than just say it won't work, I had the script already just blew the cobwebs off it and reran it as I don't keep old printouts. If we don't stop them we'll never go forward here lol

QuoteCan this be concluded it is better to attack  just after W? If lose wait for another win and attack again? But again, where is bettors judgment here, as superman and you are mentioning, this can automated.

Speaking for myself only, the W would have already been my bet, IF my prediction is correct, I'll use streaks as an example again, if I thought my indicators were saying the next red hit will be a streak not a single event, I would bet once for that to happen, if it was a single event again, I would wait for the next red and bet red again, lose? then I would repeat the wait, this would be my 3rd attack on that specific trigger, if the 4th bet lost I would still keep the trigger alive, waiting for the next red but just flat bet ignoring the last 3 losses, this is where the hole starts getting deep as THAT specific trigger was faulty but it eventually came through.

Then, with the 3 losses in mind, when my next trigger has appeared I may bet 2 units to try and recover a little of the last triggers losses, BUT if I had done this for 3 or 4 triggers and it still isn't working I would just start over, forget the losses and start from 1 unit. This is the problem for many players, the thought of being in the negative is hard to accept for most people so they try to recover as fast as possible thus risking more units.

A big problem on most gambling forums is that 95% of the members want to earn easy money from gambling in general, they've just found roulette, found a forum, read a few pages and think it's easy, it aint, there's also those that just keep going round in circles from one method to the next, there's no simple way of winning long term. I know I speak for a few people in stating that I have been testing, checking and result crunching for the best part of 6 years, only now for the last year have I been able to actually make consistent winning sessions WITHOUT stupidly huge risks, anyone can play a martingale but we know where that ends up.

In short, there is no SINGLE method and no SINGLE MoneyManagement plan to win consistently, and I don't think what I have is a method in reality, it's a way of playing the game in general.

QuoteBut again, where is bettors judgment here, which superman and you are mentioning, this can automated, right?

Did you mean can't automated? or can BE automated?

I still don't think it can be automated sadly.

Its funny that when a rare event happens on a real wheel it gets highlighted, as RH says, it happens faster on an RNG that's also when people jump and cry foul.

Overt he last 3 or 4 months there have been may posts about rare happenings on real wheels, and those happenings are just as bad/strange as they happen on an RNG, which is highlighting the fact that there's no difference between RNG and real.

Ignatus 2 days ago stated his follow the last 9 numbers was unbreakable, to prove he was wrong I ran his method with 2 different progression methods, he discounted it and still said he would play that method still, he was playing live wheel, I think, and lost 1000 units to his unbeatable method, go figure

@ sogget, done mate, forget this method and move on, my advice only of course

Ignatus, this has been done many times, I have also done it in the bot and tried from 1 number up to 18, 24 numbers, it gets out of hand, I just ran the test bot again for you to see what can happen, see the attached file, just over 1000 spins and the bank went down -38940 next progression was 1635 on each of the 9 numbers, that's Euros 389,40 in 1 cent bets!!

PS scroll down the file to where I TABED the results in for you to see

QuoteSuperman says he has play around 2,500 spins at BV without a loss

That's 2,500 sessions Sam, not spins, a session lasts about 20 to 30 minutes normally.

It's not a consistent winning method, it has losses but increasing bet size or holding is the key, I wait sometimes for a few spins to clear some awkward runs too.

Hi Guys

As a lot of you already know, I play manually each day at BVNZ, probably about 2 1/2 thousand sessions now to date, no session has been lost, for the last few days I have been trying a bit of a mixed up MM, this does help increase the bank fairly well.

Let's say the method you are playing is waiting for red to streak so when the next red lands you bet RED hoping for it to repeat, many many times it does repeat and it repeats again, but your method is only saying it will streak not for how long, here's what I have been doing.

After your methods trigger bet 0.50 if the bet wins your method dictates you wait for the next trigger, don't wait just yet, now bet .10 for the streak to continue, if it continues, cool, if not, you are still 0.40 ahead, wait for the next trigger and do it all again. You could also do the same with 5.00 and 1.00 chips, or mix it up a little, currently for me the 0.50 and 0.10 chips are fine.

Hope that helps some of you, it's helped me.

QuoteIt is a simple thing to probe the gambling session to see if a string of wins is forming

Quotetracking or measuring "effectiveness" and adjusting, tuning, etc. until you are in-phase with what is transpiring can lead to a significant and real advantage.  I believe you

This is exactly what I and a few others do, with great effect for me atleast, I've played probably 2 to 3 thousand short sessions doing simple formation watching, increasing bet size when the time is 'right' my session targets are 12 to 15 units PLEASE don't confuse this with hit n run, I don't wait for an event to happen, I play what's coming out, I play all EC groups and as Bayes may agree, I am only touching the tip of the iceberg with what I do, I also only play on BV NZ the amount of units I aim for is set to cover the 10% they take each session.

If you can work with random then it isn't too difficult to stay ahead.

All the best for 2013 guys

Quotedo you really play red/black?

On BV NZ EC's are probably the easiest to work with on a continual basis, followed by single dozens/columns, if you want to play a session which bets every spin or the majority of spins that is.

It depends on what Lady K is reffering to, multiple bets placed at the same time or playing 2 or 3 even chances when the time is right.

I think if you are playing/tracking all 3 ec's then you can carry your progression/MM to the next bet BUT if she means betting an ec. a dozen and maybe some splits at the same time then as Sam says you will have so much going on in your head that mistakes could easily happen and it's rare for a mistake to NOT cost anything, sometimes you get lucky though.

QuoteI know precious little about this SHA thing that Bet Voyager claims proves their numbers are random.  Could anyone explain it?  How do we know, like I know I have two hands, that this thing is totally up front?  Can it be manipulated?

QuoteI suppose Bayes, Superman or Ralph would have a better technical knowledge of the randomness control feature and could give a good explanation

Here we go then, the SHA key is generated from the next set of numbers (and a code word generated by the server), once the key is generated there is no way they can change that set of numbers, they could watch what you are doing and generate the next set to try and kill you off if they really wanted to but I seriousley doubt it, they know as well as we know, random will be sufficient to kill you off all on its own.

You must remember you can alter how many numbers are generated at each time, between 1 and 60 last time I looked, I have done extensive tests asking for 1 number ata  atime right up to sets of 60, there's nothing specific to point fingers at.

It's always funny when casinos win, people automatically think the were cheated out of the chips, look at the thread now about airball, someone loses they jump on a forum saying the platform cheats.

I've been playing at BV for the last 4 weeks, haven't lost a session yet, go figure