QuoteThe advice on not getting scared to play even when you are not confident is top notch. Have noticed that more than 50-60% of the time, it gives a win covering some ground. It was very difficult to start with, now it is getting a bit easier, but still needs lot of focus and patience to kill the urge to cover more ground. And being in the right frame of mind is the topmost learning here I believe. I see that once I cross 10 spins are so, I seem to get impatient. That is where this whole thing helps and I have had probably about 5 sessions which went past 10 spins.

Exactly, if you panic, it costs chips, afterall we are only human, I too have the odd long session, or should I say longer than anticipated with this tactic of short n sweet sessions, I am now betting 0.70 as my 1% target and still not had any scary sessions ......... yet LOL

Glad it works for you still, it's still working for me too currently, just noticed your singles/series thread, I agree it is a good topic and approach but I don't wait for anything inparticular to form before I jump in, if the first 3 spins are a series, I wait for the change then follow that colour, if lose, wait for the next change, depending on how many events have gone past and their duration though, each to their own I suppose, if it works, stick with it.

QuoteImagine this:  R R R R R  We've all seen it

Sam, that in my opinion is not enough to go on, I treat each chop as an event, irrelevent of its size, RR has a value of 2 for me, so does RRRRRRRRRRR.

We know (don't forget I only talk about RNG) the seed decides the outcomes, so what's the seed doing at this moment in time is the question

QuoteInteresting...this personal history....personal perm malarchy. Got me thinking

That's good then, that's my intention, I've been thinking for years.

It's like poker, YOU know when you wasted chips, you also no why YOU did it, so you try not to make the same mistake again, sportsmen know how good they are or are not, they know when they play badly, we all have it in us, same for roulette if you do certain things all the time you know over time if it works or not, if not, you try to figure out what went wrong, if you can see that, you can rectify it, it is taxing on the old brain but well worth the effort, 2 months time I will have been a year without a losing session, although I have had breaks inbetween so it's not a full 12 months attack, it proves it can be done.

Regarding AI; I have started my AI test bot again and currently just fidling with the settings, so far, flat betting over the 10300 real money BV NZ spins I have, betting every spin

wins = 5314 = 51.6%
losses = 4986 = 48.4%

+328 units

I feel it needs to be about 55% wins before even thinking about any bet size increments, will keep f-ing around with it when I have time

QuoteI've fought for my life, with every bit of luck and knowledge I have at my disposal to make 180 euro profit in 3 weeks on Dublin bet with a 100 Euro br. Its been a mental challenge.....to the point where I cashed out my BR and will take a break

Exactly Turner, the brain drain is tough, I have stopped playing twice now, this is my third attack run, the length of the sessions I was playing is what drains you, hence the short sessions with a 1% target now.

Quote@Superman, you wrote in one of the posts that you had to write-off a few 40 unit sessions. So is that your ceiling?

Sometimes it just isn't getting any better so make the decision to start over, could be 20 units or 50 at some point you need to re group and just spin 20 or 30 spins and start again, only problem is when you reach that point your goal is now further away so the brain drain is in full swing, that's why when other members say why don't you play all 3 ECs, I don't have the brain power for that and in my opinion its just too risky, all ECs do the same thing so I stick with one only, the easiest to watch without a tracker, the marquee provides it for me, all nicely laid out.

QuoteInitially I was complicating things with 10% NZ commission. Then I decided to play for 5 units which approximates to 1%.

If your unit size is 5 euro, I wouldn't worry about the 10% either, you just fill your head with useless/un-needed extra info, like I said, I needed 0.50 for 1% so I play 0.60 or 0.55, to cover the 10%, which ever is easier on your brain.

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  Quote from: Superman on Yesterday at 05:24:26 PM <blockquote>until YOU feel happy with your decisions then try to recover.
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VERY GOOD ADVICE

That's what people should take on board, after playing this way for months YOU should know your history, how bad YOUR way can get, how good YOUR way can be too, if you keep all this floating in your head YOU know when you are having a tough time and YOU should also know how long it can last, its like keeping a mental note of your win/loss registery.

QuoteNow comes the question of whether it can be botted, yes it can be to a certain degree but not to the degree the human mind is capturing and taking a decision whether it is right or wrong

My point exactly.

QuoteI hope Superman, you will be around to provide some feedback while I practice this art

I'll still be here, good luck, don't be scared to drop your bets to 1 unit and plod along until YOU feel happy with your decisions then try to recover.

QuoteI was always kind of undecided if more complex strategies could be botted

I've botted some really complicated methods in the past, AI I have dabbled with too but found that it's not really the bet that is my current problem, it's deciding how much to bet which of course depends how deep the hole is at that point AND what I think/feel the RNG is going to be doing over the next 4 or 5 spins. I have no set progression to work with, for example let's say my opinion is the table will have runs of colour and I am down 6 units

bet FTL 2 units - win
bet FTL 3 units - win
bet FTL 2 units - lose
bet FTL 2 units - win
bet FTL 2 units - win +1

Another example, again down 6 units but I am a little unsure of what the table is doing

bet FTL 2 units - lose -8
bet FTL 2 units - win -6
bet FTL 2 units - lose -8
bet FTL 3 units - win -5
bet FTL 3 units - win -2
bet FTL 3 units - lose -5
bet FTL 4 units - win -1
bet FTL 2 units - win +1

Obviousley I could have increased or kept my bet size at 4 but if it loses I would have been back to -5 so at that point I would only bet what I needed to be +1, we shouldn't be greedy.

QuoteAt what point do you give up, as I find sometimes (very rarely) the first win is the one that takes long to come in. Also, do you have any recommendations on the money management to be used for ECs

I never give up on a session, I won't close the game until I am ahead, if you meant giving up on an attack, I do that very often, by that I mean I revert to 1 unit, noting how much I was down then slowely increasing the bet size when the table feels a bit less choppy. I only play red/black, all the above figures are for ECs playing FTL

@ Priyanka, I don't believe this short bursts play is hit and run, as H&R has been debated over and over it boiled down to waiting for the trigger, make one bet if win session over. I am not waiting for any triggers that win 95% of the time hoping to avoid the other 5%, that's what they were doing, dodging bullets, as bally says, it's more of a situation awareness thing no voodoo, just watching the output of the RNG and guessing what it's going to do, change or continue, no rocket science.

QuoteAlso, you mentioned your play is documented in this forum. can't find many in here or rf.cc. Is there a different place I should be looking?

I wrote a bit here
http://betselection.cc/general-discussion/your-favorite-roulette-bet-location/
You'll have to look around if you want more, it is out there but it won't be something I started as there is no method/system it's just answers to questions within threads. Also look around rouletteforum.cc I post there too.

QuoteWould you be willing to vouch for any RNG software other than BetVoyager?

Nope, as I stated, BV has the hash, it's set in stone and can't be manipulated, others, well they could do anything they wanted whenever they needed/felt they had to.

@ esoito, is this the bit I need to acknowledge

It can also mean keeping something private in the same sense as preserving ones resources.

If it is, the way I play has been noted here and on the other forum, it's also been discussed and answered, Drazen worked it out, others should try too instead of searching for mechanical ways to play, if my way, or Bayes' way were as simple as ABC it would have been in a bot a long time ago, as our selection/timing is hard to pinpoint so is the bet size, it can' be played with set rules, screen shot below shows this mornings session, 6 pins, target reached and out in less than 1 minute.

@ Turner, no idea what you're on about mate.

QuoteSeeing as the forum is about 'bet selection' you can guess what some will want to ask!!

And I'll bet you'll keep your powder dry.

Do I lose my bet?

The forum maybe but not this thread, it's to show others a style of play, really short attacks against an RNG, with all the negativity currently going around regarding RNG's it's a positive reminder that it is possible to beat them.

Not sure what you mean by keeping my powder dry, I think I know but would like you to clarify a little please.

[Certainly. Here's A Clarification:

If you keep your powder dry, you act cautiously so as not to damage your chances. It can also mean keeping something private in the same sense as preserving ones resources.

It came from the idea that gunpowder will only explode if it is dry.
Example:  We're not ready to start buying yet. We'll keep our powder dry until we think prices are as low as they'll go.

Esoito]

Taking on the RNG in smaller faster sessions as opposed to long drawn out wars.

Have you ever noticed the first win didn't feel to bad? by this I mean even if it was a progression stretcher, it didn't make you think "this is it, it's going hurt" well, with the way I play a lot of the time the first win is just like this, no pressure or panic, maybe it's because mentally we are ready to take on the RNG that's why we logged on, we felt 'ready to play' so our spirits are high.

I also found that when I play longer sessions and mentally note any wins that were a struggle, the struggles add up and the longer you play the harder (mentally) to cope with, as many know I have played this way for about 8 months before I stopped (found I was getting bored and trigger happy)

   
• ~:trigger happy: when an unintelligent feels invincible and while tracking sees another 'thing' happen and decides to play another game while waiting, usually resulting in a war against random and leaves the player mumbling unintelligent a$$ to itself, or just straying from the current game plan, we've all been there.

so decided I needed a rest. Up to then I had not lost one session and my bet size was very rarely above X10 of its starting size. For those that didn't see them, I posted screenshots of my balance at BV, this shows all sessions for the last 10 days, no red sessions, many users have seen them so you can believe and trust I don't fluff things up to look cool.

OK 4 days ago after commenting in another thread and getting a few PMs' I decided to start playing again, but since I stopped playing months ago, you never stop thinking, I have decided that this time I will only play short, micro sessions, THIS IS NOT HIT N RUN in my opinion, I have set myself a target of 1% per session, I will play 2 sessions most days, morning and evening BUT instead of working my way up to the 1% it must be my first win, now that win could take a few bets if the 1st one is lost but that's what I am after so my bet size is 1% of my bank or as near as damit my bank was 50 euros to start so my first target was 0.50 plus the 10% commision at BV, also, I set the amount of numbers I want from them to 60 so I know it's me that's losing, I aint being mugged and I won't need them all anyway (hopefully).

The attached screenshots show the last 4 days sessions, no red ones luckily, its the session duration I am pointing out, an average of about 2 minutes, the good ones only have 2 bets, 0.50 for my 1% then I play another spin at 0.05 to cover their 10%, a few times I just played 0.60 base bet when I win, job done close game and wait for the evening.

I won't update this often as I don't run commentary but will answer any questions when someone stumbles over it, as they do.

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I think in all fairness it has been discussed over and over, majority of players play at BetVoyager who use the SHA key, yes playtech and the others CAN and in my opinion WOULD deliver a losing number to claw back funds, we've agreed on that for years. Why do we keep debating it??

There are certain individual here that can't wait for someone to mention RNG so they can blow their own trumpet, then there's others here who are constantly beating an RNG, go figure

PS get rid of these stupid green arrows

QuoteI understand Real money RNGs work on a preset win-percentage

I don't think you do, rogue casinos may manipulate when they are behind, but to cover all real money RNGs with one stroke is naive, random and maths make sure they earn their percentage

Quoteso.....REVEAL is now compulsory

LOL, its bad enough we have to be told about it EVERY post he makes now, I won't use it ever again, sick of the sight of it now loooooooool

Any idea why? hence they have been quiet all day

What part is slow for you? I.ve noticed that it takes time now to remove the bet from the bank balance, then it takes a lot of time to spin a result.

I've done a quick test. select any chip and place it 10 times on any location it takes a bit of time totake each value from the balance and the longer you play the slower it seems to get.

Is this what you are getting?