QuoteIf ever something needed to be tested with a bot, this is it

They've all been botted Sam, they all fail that's why the challenge was created.

Let's not forget the track record, challenge at BV failed, 1st £200 challenge at PaddyPower failed, this is the 3rd and last challenge which started with a bank of £300

I'm glad someone asked, well, I just logged in to check, he's made £10 in about 40+ days, I haven't been contacted or had any communication with him since the deposit was made so really have no idea what he's up to, maybe he will pop in here and tell everyone why it's going so slooooooooow

I think the main issue is there is no method that wins all the time, this is what buyers want, they are tired of losing, too lazy to think or work at it themselves and are just looking for the golden goose.

There are people here who have done a lot of research and thinking so if someone sees fit to pay that person for information etc then that's their choice, wannawin, you need to be clear as to who/what type of seller you are having a go at. For sure the guy that says he has the grail is just ripping buyers off, his pi$$ed at roulette, probably lost a lot and is just trying to get some of it back from other mugs like him/herself.

I've never personally said I have anything worth selling, but if I did, people would pay handsomly for my information, I've been offered many times but I don't want to fall into the bull$hitter category so have never sold any info/methods because in my opinion, there isn't one.............yet lol

QuoteWhat i we *ind the "Holy Grail" is a lot o* work?

I agree, a lot of work it is.

QuoteSuperman has it and he can't bot it.  Maybe he makes enough to make it worthwhile

I wouldn't call what I have a HG, it's too much effort in concentration and when it's struggling to recover it works on your mind very heavily. In my opinion a HG should have a higher win rate than the odds dictate, which would allow flat betting to avoid the hard grinding that is emotionally draining.

So Sams keyboard is a bit F'd 

QuoteThis is my_____________________.

way of Playing

QuoteOr is it your experience that to have multiple methods is the same?

Yes, because we could only jump to another method after one has failed, when we jump would probably be the wrong time too. We only know after the fact what would have worked prior.

The easiest way to play random is follow what's happening, this will either tell you to follow the last or opposite to last, we know we get series and singles, the length of them is all that's different, this is what I base my play on although I prefer to follow the last most of the time, during a chop or RRBBRRBB 2's I would usually drop to 1 unit until I 'think' its ending, I never try to recover all in one bet either if I am behind.

QuoteOh. Really? I forget that you can fly too.   

We can all fly, they call them airlines

Quote
P.S.: You should always stick to your play, if it can win in all probabilities.

You don't need guidance you already have stated you have many HG's but you're still knocking everyone, probably because they won't pay for your methods

I don't play to make a living, I don't need to, this is my last reply to you

QuoteReading randomness or trigger betting etc can't work to WIN MORE AND LOSE LESS. They are new varieties of "fallacies". If you don't believe me, code them into a bot and run over a simulation of 1 million spins. It will fall flat

It's been said time and time again, reading and working with random does work if you know what you are looking at, I do it and so do a few others.

QuoteIf anyone can show me a method that does not hit the wall from time to time, I'm all ears

there's that word again, method, I doubt there will ever be one that works on an a-b-c system, sad but true.

QuoteCompounding can work only if you can win every session which is impossible

Maybe for you it is, I never finish a session down, as long as I stick to my play I come out ahead, every time.

QuoteOur ways to face the game are certainly different. It is my opinion the better your strategy, the lesser your initial bankroll should be.

Spot on Vic, Bayes has seen me take a 20euro bank to over 150euros twice already, without huge drawdowns, anyone who says huge drawdowns are needed needs to do some rethinking it all depends on how much you bet and when you bet it, let's face it, most gamblers don't want to think they just want to follow a few easy steps, good luck with that.

QuoteThere's also the fact that very few are ready to see it. Most people want an easy solution. Until they are prepared to give up on any easy way, they have very little interest in finding the very thing they are looking for.

That's THE problem, no interest in studying what random is sending, wanting the easy a-b-c method, there isn't one - period !

QuoteIt is a sad attitude. But I suppose that it is human nature as you say

You should maybe look at it a little differently wannawin, IF an a-b-c type method did exist then providing the world with

wait for this
then do that
if lose - do this
if win - do that

would kill roulette for good so you could almost respect the holder of such a method for keeping it quiet, as if you work hard enough eventualy, with hope, you too at some point may see it and when you do, the game is still there to use your years of study to earn with.

QuoteI can not help thinking that people never publish everything they know.

From what I have seen on the forums over the last 5 to 6 years there is only a handfull who 'say' they/we are able to win each session, I say they/we as I am one of them, Bayes knows what I do and I know what he does, we are almost playing identically one of the differences is the stake size being used, Bayes plays higher values than I do but he has been doing it longer than me, Gizmo, in my opinion, seems to do very similar, we are lead to believe, and I don't doubt it, that MrJ wins too, now he only plays live wheel, Bayes and I play RNG at BV not sure about Gizmo.

I've explained as much as I can on the forum regarding series, singles and other events, I've also sent detailed replies to the many PM's I get, the recipients have always come back with thanks and gratitude to the process I use, the main factor is al always MM if you can't get that right you're 70% down already, the simplest way I can put my play is, you need to understand your PERSONAL win/loss flow, how often are you correct or how reliable are your 'triggers to bet' mentally storing the length of L's and building your MM around these findings, we are still constantly developing our triggers to bet, without this knowledge you're flying blind and still hoping for that a-b-c method that isn't going to be found but thres always hope, I would love to be able to bot a cash cow but I can't even get my play into code as you could say a lot of it is gut, my win ratio is probably only 30% - 35% the rest is how much I bet which depends on what I am used to in my WL mental picture.

@ wannawin, regarding your coding teaching thread, learning to code is a good thing but you will get the same outcomes as we who already code do, which means you'll be learning coding to be dissapointed so I would only recommend learning it for the love of it not to hopefully find a HG, you can just leave that to those of us who already do and give the results to the forum.

Then there's those members who do post their whole winning a-b-c method, JohnLegend for example, full of enthusiasim, but so far in the JL challenge, of which I am responsible for monitoring and reporting the results, well, in almost 5 months he's DOWN approx £300 in the red. So your only gripe is that a reliable a-b-c method 'could' be out there but is being held very close to someones chest, if you can change your mindset into believing it isn't then you can clear your mind and accept you have to keep looking until YOU find what works for you.

Quoteare not able to capture the numbers of the casino

Its easier than you think,

get the coordinates of the marquee that displays the last spun number

create a image checksum of that number, do that until you have 37 different numbers/checksums

store those checksums in an ini file

then every tool you build for that casino can get the spun checksum and compare it to your ini file which will tell it what the number was

HTH

QuoteSo this thing has the result of not posting ideas or methods

Because there are no magic triggers, random keeps changing

Quote"negative" posts should be starting with "my opinion is that....

my opinion is that.... you can only win consistently by playing almost every spin on EC's switching between FTL & OTL, EC's are the best odds you can get from the table, MM plays a massive part in it too.

95% of members are here for one thing only, a METHOD/SYSTEM that's going to make them money, it's sad but it's also true.

Quote3)Even if someone is posting negative posts, the better thing we can do is ignore him and continue posting our observations and opinions

what's the point in keeping your head in the sand, let's take Ignatus (a from member) as an example, he's been posting ideas for months, each time he is told it won't work, he ignores this and plods on posting his winnings all the time, then bam, he loses the lot plus more.

If you are happy to THINK a method will win more than it loses, good luck to you but you can't expect other members to not try to help.

If you go back into the past threads and look how many times someone has made/designed/found the best thing since sliced bread you will also see how it fizzles out eventually, then they move on.

I am not negative but I have been coding bots for years, ALL methods fail badly at some point, the way I currently play is the same as other esteemed members here, I only play RNG because there is NO DIFFERENCE between RNG and real wheels except the speed, random is random, how you use your money is probably 80 - 90% of the overall attack.

All my opinion of course but it works for a few of us, there's too many members who don't want to think they just want it on a plate, human nature I guess.

@ Danny, see Bayes post

@ Esitio, apart from Drazen I don't see any real issues, the main issue for most members is the fact that JL has been posting results for the past year or so, those results are NO reflection on the challenge results, so the big question is, how come when nobody is monitoring him he has unbelievable results but the challenge results are terrible to date.

@ Chrisbis,

QuoteMaking random repeat sequences ....
An EC has only a movement of one...there are only two options in a EC outcome.
A Street event has 12 outcomes And a Line has 6 outcomes.
Maybe random could be tamed here?

All true, but the payout makes them all the same, none of JL's methods will work long term in any form as the next spin can go either way, you can't tame random as it's untouchable.

Anyone who thinks they can tame random is clearly dilusional, see Bayes signature, live with it.

EDIT: forgot to say, JL sent me a PM asking to continue the challenge with a fresh £300 I have agreed again, but this will be the last time as far as I am concerned, I have also told him to report to the forum frequently as he hasn't in the past, my arguement being the fact that he kept the loss quiet and only responded when I posted the bad news.

QuoteVery disappointing and sad to hear that news

Not really, he was always in denial

QuoteI think JL will come back with same or higher claims of how he beat the game after some time

Maybe Ralph, but now we know he's not to be believed, credibility has gone for his methods, mainly hit n hope run

Have you also noticed how his followers also went quiet when he did?

OK people, you can now officially call the JL methods/challenge finished, I just logged into paddy power and the balance was a measley £11.50 so I withdrew it for my troubles.

End of an era, he lost the lot, simples

@Chrisbis, welcome home sir.