Quote from: Denzie on February 18, 2016, 10:24:33 PM
Lol...the deleting came from the other side for a change. Didn't saw the rest though as I was in the casino. Probably better.

So are we still testing? Maybe we could try Side B his way ....I saw it to many times when I go to a new group that the old one hits and hits...anyway I'll keep my updates here .....happy testings

I'm in the middle of another project right now, but I'll put some time in on this over the weekend and list my results on Monday.

Thanks for the great testing, and feel free to post any tweaks you like to move this forward!!!

Just a heads-up: I removed a bunch of posts from MrJ (Ken) because they were just personal attacks toward other members.

I also removed those responses from other members. I appreciate you guys defending yourselves, but I want to keep this thread all about the method itself.

Not sure why MrJ is all riled-up about this, but maybe there's something to this method.

Keep testing!!!

Quote from: RouletteFan on February 17, 2016, 05:44:45 PM
@ayamas why you want to delete those pages ?
somthing so important in there ?
thank

Ayamas did not write those posts as far as I know........it was Ken.

For more info, see thread of similar name over @ Roulette.cc

Quote from: ayamas on February 17, 2016, 03:30:02 PM
Hi thelaw, im an avid reader of rouletteforum.cc and i obtained these deleted pages from google's cache

Are you a member over @ Roulette.cc?

If you can pm me over @ Roulette.cc, then I can verify your identity privately.

At least then we know that this isn't another rabbit hole. We've seen Mods already trying to keep this method private, hence the skepticism.

Thanks!

Careful............brand new member with only 2 posts.

Love to know who this is............Ken..........or someone who would like to keep this method honest?

Hopefully, it's the latter.

The following is a method that the Mods over @ Roulette.cc are actively trying to keep suppressed..........not sure why. The author has also deleted it from other forums.

Credit to Ken from Roulette.cc:

Easy to play and flat betting. Only 4 numbers to bet. I have great results at Dublin, only practice money. Also great results playing at the casino, 00 wheel. What bugs the hell out of me? Are the nay-sayers that will play it anyways or at minimum, will test it out. I debated FOR WEEKS, if I wanted to post it but what the heck!

I'll list the 9 sets of numbers >>

0 wheel
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A) 5-6-22-32
B) 15-18-24-27
C) 13-16-19-29
D) 4-7-33-36
E) 1-11-21-28
H) 2-12-20-30
J) 8-14-25-35
K) 3-17-23-31
L) 9-10-26-34....(No 0 in the mix)


9 sets for the 00 wheel >>
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A) 0-00-17-18
B) 5-6-27-28
C) 9-10-21-22
D) 25-26-33-34
E) 15-16-29-30
H) 3-4-11-12
J)  7-8-23-24
K) 19-20-35-36
L) 13-14-31-32  (No 1 or 2 in the mix)


Notice something with the sets of numbers (either wheel), the numbers are all spaced out evenly. To start off >> Track the first 18 spins. I will use the SINGLE zero wheel for this example. 20 hits: write H.

32 hits: write A
34 hits: write L
1 hits: write E
0 hits: write...nothing. etc etc until you have 18 tracked NOT counting if a 0 hits OR a 1 or 2 on the 00 wheel.

We have read, perhaps played methods regarding a TREND for the outside bets, correct? Well, this is TREND betting for the inside, 4 numbers.

I use to bet on the furthest back unhit set but lost too much so I CORRECTED the mistake, just like you're suppose to. If the spins are fast, you must always be looking at your list of 18 so you can DECIDE fast enough.

We will be betting on the 'letter' (4 numbers) that have appeared the MOST in the last 18 recorded, real simple. In other words.....what is temporarily HOT at the time. Flat bet those 4 numbers with the *SAME* unit sizes per spin. I do it at $15 per, $60 per spin.

As each NEW 'letter' you jot down, cross off the furthest back hit 'letter'. You will always have 18. Never more, never less. What about a tie? Usually (not always) it will be 4 hits within the 18 recorded.


Sometimes it might be a TIE with 3 or even 4. Take either one as a tie breaker (base it on nothing) but NOT both sets of 4. In terms of averages, we only need one hit in 9 spins...which means 2 hits within the 18 spins.

Anything over the 2 hits, is profit. Quite a few times you will have 5-6 hits within the 18. What I like about this method.....as one set is becoming cold (dropping out of the 18) a DIFFERENT set is now becoming hot and you will be on it. I also like the idea of spreading out the 4 numbers evenly. As soon as that ball passes one of your bet numbers, its coming up in only a few more pockets on another one of your bets! When to leave/quit? Its up to you. This method has NOTHING to do with sessions.

SIDENOTE: You noticed I skipped a couple letters. The 'F' and the 'G'. But why?

Again, I corrected a problem. The C and G look too much alike, I was making mistakes if I was looking too fast. The E and F look too much alike, I was making mistakes if I was looking too fast.
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4 in one group, 4 in another group? I would SKIP betting until the tie is broken, it won't take long! Like I said, I NOW track the last 13 hit, not 18. It cuts down alot on ties.

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"meanwhile other numbers/letters becoming hot" >>> BINGO, this is the POINT of the method. As one group may start to fade, another group really takes off. There are quite a few times I see 7 of the same letter within the 13 recorded. Of course all 7 of those you most likely would not be on but perhaps 3-4 of those spins, YES, you would be betting on those four numbers. After THAT group kind of fades, usually (not always) something else takes its place and don't forget, all four numbers are spread out on the wheel perfectly.

Credit to Tuddilue:

I found one tweak of the number 4 that a user here on the forum named Side B did.

I thinks it really interesting tweak:

"What I do is that I not only look at the last 20-30 spins or so, I continually look at the sector that's appeared the most in the whole game. I pick a sector and I stick to it. In any session, there are always 2 to 4 sectors that are strong and keep reappearing. If my sector becomes too sleepy, I pick another one and stick to the new one. I flat bet only, recovery powers are phenomenal in the rare cases that you start going onto the red.

All based on the way Ken divided the wheel, so thank you again Ken!! Those 9 sectors you came up with are just magical. Now my only worry is being booted out of my casino for winning too much, I've been withdrawing money once or twice a day for a few 100s each time!

I don't really care if anyone takes an interest in this, or if anyone thinks I'm just lucky and that it won't last. The only reason for me posting this is to thank Ken and give people who have missed this thread the chance to give his method a look.
"

When he later was asked if he was playing his tweak he answered:
"Hi all, yes I'm still playing the same way. I tend to stick to one sector for at least 40 spins, then switch to hottest sector for another 40 spins etc"

Love to get some feedback on this. The author is refusing to comment any further on this method. He claims to have tweaks that improve the method. Thanks!

Personally........I'm a bit concerned.

This system apparently can't stop winning!!!

What if it really can't stop???

Quote from: RichBailey86 on November 11, 2015, 11:04:39 PM
it is promising only having to win one parlay within 12 bets

Actually, only one parley in 16 bets if playing w/4 virtual losses as stated above by the Devil himself

Hey MM,

Are all of your methods designed for hit-and-run, or do you have any clients who are playing them straight-through (with sufficient bankroll and stop-loss)?

Thanks!

Quote from: Sputnik on February 12, 2015, 01:18:20 PM
Hello Nick - i been thinking about practical solutions as i don't like wait to long before i start to play.
A gap of 9 can look as anything as all patterns has same probability.
Any gap can be random pick.

Lets say i walk into the casino and walk to a roulette table and look at the board and write down the last 9 hitting colours.
Then the future results has to match that random sequense 9 times to be a complete match.
Now all i have to do is to wait until i get 5 matching results and start to play.



Cheers

You could also play 3 sets at once - one for each ec

Thanks for the info!

So what would your w/L record look like for the progression (and what is the most losses you have seen)?

Something like this : LLLLLWLLLLLLLWLLWLLLLW.....etc?

Also, what type of betting progression do you use (betting 4-5 times in this example)?

Do you link each sequence together with a continuous bet, or restart after 4-5 (again, from the above example)?

Thanks - Very interesting topic!

Quote from: BEAT-THE-WHEEL on July 21, 2014, 04:00:02 PM
Hi Law,
no, my bet selection no better than others.
Maybe u could modified the Labby start from 1, into better choice.
thanks.

After attempting several different Labbys, they all seem to fail on ec bets regardless of their length or structure, but would be suited to any "rare events" type scenario

Quote from: BEAT-THE-WHEEL on July 21, 2014, 05:59:12 AM
Hi Law,

I do a [LABBY, start from 1unit], which I think will not facing huge
drawdown and will not killed by the deadly MARTY in the last few
spins!!!HP Johnson can't face Marthy as u already know.

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bet only 1st, 2nd, 4th, 8th, 16,...
repeat at 17th spin

1. L   1st bet
2. L   2nd bet
3. L
4. W   3rd bet
5. W
6. L
7. W
8. W  4th bet
9. L
10. L
11. L
12. W
13. L
14. L
15. L
16. L 16[bet= as 5th. ]
17. L1    as bet6th
18. L2  as bet 7th
19. L
20. L4   as bet 8th
21. L
22. L
23. L
24. W8
25. W
26. L
27. L
28. W
29. L
30. L
31. L
32. L16
33. L1
34. L2
35. W
36. W4
37. W
38. W
39. W
40. L8
41. L
42. W
43. L
44. W
45. W
46. L
47. L
48. W16 and so on...



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Below I do a LABBY start from a single 1

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1st spins. Lose

start labby as
  [1]

bet 1=lose=-1=-1
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2nd. =Lose   2nd bet

[11]
bet 2=lose=-2=-3

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4th spin. =W   [3rd bet]

[112]
bet3=win=3=0

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8th.= Win  [4th bet]

[1]
bet 1=win=1=+1 win, reset.[total win=+1]

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16th. =L [5th bet]

start labby as [1]

bet 1=lose=-1=-1

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17. L1

[11]
bet 2=lose=-2=-3

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18. L2

[112]
bet 3=lose=-3=-6

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20. L4

[1123]

bet 4=lose=-4=-10


24. W8

[11234]

bet5=win=+5=-5

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32. L16

[ 123 ]

bet 4=lose=-4=-9

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33. L1

[ 1234 ]

bet 5=-5=-14
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34. L2

[ 12345 ]

bet 6=lose=-6=-20
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36. W4

[ 123456 ]

bet 7=win=+7=-13

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40. L8

[  2345  ]

bet 7=lose=-7=-20

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48. W16

[  23457  ]

bet 9=win=+9=-11

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49. W1

[   345   ]

bet 8=win=+8=-3

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50. W2

[    4    ]

bet 4=win=+4=+1  reset. total=win=2
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52. W4[count as4

[1]
bet 1=win=+1.  reset. total=win=3


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56. L8

[1]
bet 1=lose=-1=-1

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64. W[16]

[11]
bet2=win=+2=+1.  reset. total=win=4

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65. L1

[1]
bet 1=lose=-1=-1

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66. W2

[11]
bet2=win=+2=+1.  reset. total=win=5

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68. L4

[1]
bet 1=lose=-1=-1
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72. L8

[11]
bet 2=lose=-2=-3

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80. W16

[112]
bet 3=lose=-4=-7

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81. L1

[1123]
bet 4=lose=-4=-11

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82. L2
[11234]

bet 5=lose=-5=-16

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84. L4

[112345]
bet 6=lose=-6=--22
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88. L8

[1123456]

bet 7=lose=-7=-29

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96. L16

[11234567]
bet 8=lose=-8=-37

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97. L1

[112345678]
bet 9=lose=-9=-46

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98. W2

[1123456789]
bet 10=win=10=-36


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100. W4

[ 12345678 ]
bet 9=win=9=-27

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104. L8

[  234567  ]
bet 9=lose=-9=-36

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112. L16

[  2345679  ]
bet 11=lose=-11=-47


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113. W1

[  2345679,11  ]
bet 13=win=13=-34
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114. W2

[  345679  ]

  bet 12==win=12=-22

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116. L4

[   4567   ]
  bet 11=lose=-11=-33


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120. W8

[   4567,11   ]

bet 15==win=15=-18



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128. L16

[    567    ]

   bet 12=lose=-12=-30



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129. L1

[ 567,12]

   bet 17=lose=-17=-47

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130. L2

[ 567,12,17]

bet 22=lose=-22=-69
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132. L4

[ 567,12,17,22]

bet 27=lose=-27=-96

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136. W8

[ 567,12,17,22,27]

bet32=win=-64

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144.L16

[  6,7,12,17,22, ]

bet28=lose=-92

and so on....

Hey Beat,


It appears that you are using  the original Labby betting first and last numbers. I use single line bets only with all of the Labbys that I play (only betting first line-not first and last), as it seems to provide more flexibility in betting. My only concern with betting first and last is that it will eventually create too many bets to recover. If the betting selection can handle the original Labby, then it can handle a 3-lin no problem.


Question : Does the betting selection that you use provide a better overall distribution than just every other spin?

Quote from: BEAT-THE-WHEEL on July 21, 2014, 04:54:26 AM
Hi Law,
Your LABBY is nice,
but u must prepare for the "UN-NICE", when it happen!
Or u lose your shirt, and underwear too! [smiley]aes/cry.png[/smiley] 

The averages '2 win and 1lose',
is good if it keep on constantly,that way.

Your Labby very interesting but dangerous.

You say,"I can't see what would happen over 10,000 spins"

Why not u try Labby start from a "SINGLE 1",
and reset, with 1 unit win!
its slower, but lot safer.

We must always remember, we not rush in' to lose money, but slow and steady to earn a unit a session.

Many gambler can't even win a unit per day , 365/year!!


Hope to hear from ATLANTIS soon.
Thanks.

If you are referring to a single line, that is called a Martingale. If you mean several lines with just 1 unit (0-0-1), this makes very little difference in terms of safety.


I do agree that a better progression would probably make this a solid system