Like the maths guys or not...they stake their case as Xander did. Like the "random produces rare events all the time" guys or not....I staked my case clearly why I believe it.
Now we are left with the "no it doesn't" guys not staking any case. Just..."no it doesn't"

Quote from: Garnabby on June 08, 2014, 09:33:00 PM
And, it's better to focus on the individual recognizable patterns instead of the next bet per se.

Sorry Garnabby, just expand that a little. I could take that 2 ways....I want to get what you meant


Thanks

Quote from: Garnabby on June 08, 2014, 09:12:45 PM
I thought that there were no patterns?  Now every thing is a pattern.

Not quite Garnabby, what I am saying is if you want patterns, don't sit around for 20 years looking at casino created carpet patterns, random is producing them every spin.


There are 2.3million groups of 6 in 37, and 1,2,3,4,5,6 is just one of them. Every spin, there is a 6 group hitting 6 or 7 or 8 times.


How many could that hit?  1,5,22,22,5,1,5,5,22,24,26,1,22,5,33 ?


Albalaha tells us lines only hit 9 times. that's a limit of random. I just made up a group of 6 which hits 15 in a row. Could this sequence never happen?

Quote from: Xander on June 08, 2014, 05:36:02 PM
Victor,



In the end, the wheel is a rare event generator.

Absolutely correct !!!.


I've been banging on about this for years.


You can make a group of 18 that has hit 24 times any time you like (see example below) Just collect and count from the first spin. The repeats are more hits.


If you select a set of 18 you will wait a long time to see them do anything rare. Like red, or high or odd.


You may deem line 1-6 to be hot  if no.1 has hit twice and no.5 has hit once. Why does 1 and 5 hitting mean 2,3,4,and 6 will hit? It doesn't. There is no reason for it to. But in the numbers below, the 6-group 20,25,11,3,10,14 has hit 7 times right off the bat. don't go looking for it. It happens every spin.  All rare events are produced all the time.


We are hoodwinked into looking at about 20 of them....lines, dozens, ECs.,,,waiting endless years!!!!


Random is producing the hottest stuff every spin.






First spins of a random.org selection.

20
25
11
11
3
10
14
11
13
23
34
30
33
21
6
35
4
2
1
23
18 xxx    Here is a group of 18 which has hit 21 times (without searching)
16
12
15
12

Bayes...
Ok..and if I pursue this further.....I have left my remit of proof and have entered the insane world of conspiracy theory...which I am fully aware of.
Not going there.
I accept what you say. After all...I trust random.org

Bayes, my cynicism is going to start to irritate you, I am sure


I see this as marketing. Clever marketing....but just marketing. Playing on the fears of gamblers...soft soap.


Its just my way of looking at things.


Probably read and watched too much Charlie Brooker.

Bayes...


I disagree...with respect. If I had a black box with a hole in, and someone told me to put my hand in it because it simply had a cotton wool ball inside, I wouldn't just do it no matter what guarantees they had given me. If the box was see-thru....and I could see it was just that, I would do it.



I suspect you play BV RNG and you don't want me putting doubts in your mind, in fact, you endorse BV RNG correct?




Ok...you trust a certain RNG because of a cast iron guarantee that they haven't changed any numbers . What's a cast iron guarantee? Are you there when they generate the numbers or are you just taking their cast iron guarantee as fact.


Their cast iron guarantee is an unknown to you and isn't worth the paper its written on.


All that sounds aggressive, but its just the nature of the text.


BV is a black box.


Of course, I will completely accept that BV is Kosher and take your word for it as I have great respect for what you say. But I don't see that there is anything else going on with your trust in BV than just that....trust.


Not hard facts and reasons based on your own knowledge....which is how I would expect you to normally act.....based on your analytical approach which I have become accustom to

Quote from: Mr J on March 11, 2014, 03:31:16 PM
Give me the choice of RNG or nothing.....I would choose not to play. 

Ken

100% agree with no caveat

Gawd....Im as sick of saying this as you are probably hearing me say it


Online casino RNG is is a black box system. Its closed.


There is no knowing what's in the black box so there is no way of knowing how the output is generated.


Why in Gods name would anyone wager their hard earned money on a number generator that they have absolutely no clue how its output is generated.


On a real wheel,  its an open system. You can see how the number is generated. You can watch the marque populate with the roll of an adjudicator.


it's a no-brainer people.

Xander

...pretty damn conclusive if you ask me

Xander....very interesting. Thanks

Xander...so what would good data look like....I mean...do you expect some repeat of data...or is there none...or is there a limit...say 5 numbers may repeat 1% in a certain sample....6 may repeat 0.1% etc...or am I trying to penetrate your inner sanctum
Oooh matron !!!!!

Yeah...well...I don't believe in deleting fair comment.....even if its not what you wanted to hear.

Quote from: TwoCatSam on March 06, 2014, 04:39:19 AM
Gordon

I can see where you would have a case of the raw balls.  However, if you press an issue too hard, you may only cause your complaint to sink to the bottom of the pile.  I'm not saying it's right; I'm just saying that sort of thing happens.

Sam

In my last job we had 2 trays for rebates.
The top tray was labelled "please can I have my rebate".
The bottom tray was labelled" wheres my f**kin rebate"
They stayed in the bottom tray for days on end.

I don't like being deleted....which I was in XXVVs statement
I put
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A bit dramatic XXVV
I thought Xander put his concerns across well, about Macao data.
I would concentrate on those concerns about that data