Hello guys, the paypal support button has been removed to leave behind the polemic community support model we've been running our site with.

We're preparing a new software-oriented site at BetSoftware.cc with a clear goal of both offering free & open-source programs to our community as well as selling related software services (i.e. automatic updates, early-version previews, others) with the purpose of being self-sufficient.

Hopefully with this clear separation of concerns, and the bonus of a paid server thanks to BetSoftware, we can enjoy a healthier, controversy-free community here at our gambling discussion space.

We continue to move forward and consolidate.

Quote from: wannawin on November 16, 2014, 01:00:40 PMWhen is the new forum going to open?

BetSoftware.cc site's bought, we're waiting for the host provisioning.

It might still take a day to be set-up and fully open.

Quote from: wannawin on November 16, 2014, 01:00:40 PMWill the new forum have a mission statement?

Yes.

Quote from: wannawin on November 16, 2014, 01:00:40 PMIt must have a clear purpose

It does have a clear purpose, so clearly defined as catering to software discussion, the site doesn't allow system/method discussion per se.

Quote from: wannawin on November 16, 2014, 01:00:40 PMI prefer to be told things straight and know what to expect

Good policy. The site's domain is bought for a year. On November 21st 2015 we review site's success to ponder renewal. This gives the new website a year of existence to prove itself. I'm certain it'll pay its own existence with ease; gambling software is a very useful niche. There's a "system du jour" at all times, so we can only expect a good reception and a good level of activity in 2015. The sort of activity needed for it to be renewed.

Regards.

Fellows. Let's try to be gentler when addressing fellow members. Words convey messages; there are better and not-so-better ways to broadcast our what we want to communicate.

Let's avoid accusing each other when we don't know the whole picture. It is better to simply ask for the unclear facts rather than making assumptions, and then acting based on them.

For instance, member Alrelax is being quite generous with his offer, we ARE grateful to him and cheer on his support; now, there has been a “hiccup” due to normal banking delays; it is solved by now. This isn't ground to make conjectures.

On my side I myself am trying to create a virtuous cycle of free software to the community at large with a non-competing forum (BetSoftware.cc), with the added benefit of moving the support to it, so BetSelection is once and for all clear from the "donations stigma", to bear a fruitful forum away from financial considerations thanks to BetSoftware.

There's no big conspiracy here.

We are *all* simply trying to give a little for our common good.

...There's no "gambling players industry" per se, we are all building it as we go along, so let's get along. We are here to stay, it's better to have a nice & enjoyable ride together.

Remember: the "gambling forum scene" is you.

Cheers!
Vic

Quote from: wannawin on November 17, 2014, 07:41:59 PMWhat will happen with the requests made in private areas here. Are they being deleted? Will they move to the new space?

Hello dear Walter, thanks for the on-topic questions. They get moved to the new space  .

Good news being the more open-source code present, the easier it is to implement new modules. This means -over time- module developers (including myself) have to code less to bring new modules into existence.

We are in fact giving birth to a virtuous cycle to benefit communities interested in building software for our field, world-wide.

Quote from: wannawin on November 17, 2014, 07:41:59 PMCan you tell if my contribution this month is no longer needed?

Dear Walter, contributing is more a matter of ensuring the forum continues over time rather than "firing it" for any single month. We have to cover for maintenance every month. As you have witnessed already, on the one hand there's a good amount of support for some months, on the other hand, the forum is struggling at times throughout the year.

If you give in a "good month", rest assured your contribution covers for another month when support may be flaky. Such cushion gives us peace of mind.

Contributions are 100% optional; if they aren't used in a month, they "roll over". It is public/open there's been support this month -gladly-, so give at your personal criterion and utmost convenience

Quote from: wannawin on November 17, 2014, 07:41:59 PMMaybe I am a thorn in your shoe.

Rest assured you aren't Quite the contrary, your voiced interest is very valuable to spark relevant debate. It is appreciated.

Quote from: wannawin on November 17, 2014, 07:41:59 PMGreetings and very good wishes.

To you too. We're eager to learn about your programs/creations.

As soon as the new software site opens, there's a section for your "wanna 'wares".

Cheers!

Quote from: alrelax on November 19, 2014, 02:13:59 AM
So, I am sure you will receive the funds this week, will let you know when the available balance is there to fund it.  Thanks, Alrelax.

Thanks to you for shedding some light on this.

On my side, I continue preparing the new website and accompanying programs at the "night shift"...

Guys, we're set to be *the* free and open source gambling software worldwide. There's no rush, main goal is to get it right so we don't have to re-engineer much down the road.

Thanks again; as soon as funds clear, the new site is bought for it to be online immediately. Open to general/public registrations.

Quote from: alrelax on November 14, 2014, 11:29:58 PM
Vic, can we have a section for 'Voo-Doo', 'Magical Wishes', 'Karma' and 'Luck' statistical analysis???

We have a "Special sections" space in our index. Surely a "Voo-Doo Lounge" board can be added to it.

What topics do you have in mind as content? I must confess this is one weird request for a board over here!!

Quote from: wannawin on November 14, 2014, 04:44:50 PMHere the relevant questions:

Hello dear Walter, doing my best to be clear for you when answering.

Quote from: wannawin on November 14, 2014, 04:44:50 PMOnly betsoftware programs would be allowed?

No.

Quote from: wannawin on November 14, 2014, 04:44:50 PMor you can publish programs that are not compatible with it such as Basic265, python, other?

Yes, no restrictions on programming languages.

Quote from: wannawin on November 14, 2014, 04:44:50 PMAnyone can post their programs without approval?

Yes, that's the idea of openness.

Quote from: wannawin on November 14, 2014, 04:44:50 PMIf so how would be the subject of viruses addressed?

Initially, each member should take their own protective steps as with any other site taking open software submissions.

If we are eventually flooded by virus publishers then yes, some actions would need to be taken.

Quote from: wannawin on November 14, 2014, 04:44:50 PMToday websites are completely blocked with one virus. If it is a forum for downloading programs you have to think about how to stay virus free beforehand.

Let's first see the actual ratio of rogue gambling coders. We are so little in amount it would be pretty unintelligent for one of our community coders to seek banning by publishing virii. The best payoff is to engage in clean actions to ensure a long and prosper stay, with the attached positive feedback building.

Quote from: wannawin on November 14, 2014, 04:44:50 PMHow long would the $ 25 USD cover? The new forum cost would be exactly $ 25 USD every month?

It would cover first year of domain + initial paid email.

We start serving the site from this server; only AFTER the new site is successful should we consider reversing the main/piggybacking roles.

Quote from: wannawin on November 14, 2014, 04:44:50 PMI recommend that prior to opening the forum you plan the financial side in fine detail.

We are having financial plans other than relying 100% on donations, rest assured.

Quote from: wannawin on November 14, 2014, 04:44:50 PMMuch success with this venture if it is for the common good.

It is for the common good. Thanks for the best wishes. 

Quote from: alrelax on November 14, 2014, 11:11:12 PM
I'm not awesome, I am just an unintelligent, karma wishing-rabbit's foot-voodoo preaching, uninformed gambler, just ask Bayes!  He is the awesome Mathematician!

We're such a happy family... in our own particular loving way  

Quote from: alrelax on November 14, 2014, 10:34:48 PM
I am sending you $50.00 to cover it, you will have it this weekend.  Alrelax.

Quote from: esoito on November 14, 2014, 10:46:54 PM
...and you've already received my $10.

wowowow

Thank you!!!!

This also sponsors a fresh forum re-install for us to enjoy clean sources and getting rid of bugs in this forum too.

Bright news guys. You're awesome!

[smiley]giga/Bravo.gif[/smiley]

Quote from: Matt on November 11, 2014, 02:34:38 AM
Hi VLS,
Yes that would be great

Feel free to call me Vic

Your Dozens program rolls out on this weekend's release of our BetSoftware.

Cheers!

Thanks for the participation guys. To address you and also expand a bit:

100% focused on software, zero "off-topic noise".

Since it doesn't discuss gambling methods at all, it wouldn't have to embed our current 3rd party ads. (i.e. not a competing forum)

While some communities such as poker or blackjack (plus others) wouldn't welcome a forum with roulette system selling ads, a clean forum would have open doors with them. Enhanced market.

We need a commercial offering for sustaining ourselves; not in the far future, but right now in this year 2014. Selling auto-updates and other server-based services is perfectly valid, even if the software itself is 100% free and open source.

We are years away from full-blown non-gambling commercial offerings, hence we focus in what we can sell to support ourselves right now. The new site would be streamlined to our gambling software offering only.

Discussion would be more focused in programming and technology topics. This niche doesn't have the traditional "aggro" associated with the quasi-religious "gambling systems wars". With a clear policy of removing both sides of personal arguments, only the on-topic posts would adorn the place.

Let's see if we can open it this very month; if we happen to complete the $25-or-so needed to spare for trying the venture after covering monthly expenses, I'm all-in for it.

Quote from: Rinzler on November 11, 2014, 11:31:56 PM
Other than that, make another donation, and the problem might go away?

A forum re-install from scratch is imminent for this month.

Ok, here's my idea for a software-oriented forum:

- A forum-neutral zone.

- No method publishing allowed. Methods must be pointed to as they appear in other forums / websites.

- Main focus is code, leaving all "forum politics" behind. We don't allow "carry-overs" for arguments from other forums into this one. A very clear policy: if it's of a personal nature, both sides of the argument get erased.

- No links in signatures; including -of course- abidance by myself and other forum staff members, in order to show we're truly forum-neutral.

- Having the following sections for software coding:
   - Public (any member can post at no cost)
   - Private (for paid coders to attend their users)
   - "Bounty coding" (for members who want to donate a public feature and are willing to offer a bounty for it)
   - Subscribers (those are specifically for me to take).

- The actual content of the forum being programming tutorials/ lessons, the internals of our software explained, as well as other related discussion such as operating systems, new technology... Actual software discussion instead of systems discussion.

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What could we achieve with this?

This model facilitates BetSoftware adoption without disrupting the flow at other websites. Members from other websites can link to us with their mind at ease they aren't taking discussion from their favorite place. Since BetSoftware is free and open source, it can transverse other forums seamlessly, gathering coders using disparate technologies who agree on the platform to work together.

Most importantly, it allows us not to be attached/pegged to any other forum in particular, hence we show we do not participate in "forum wars"; if any, it demonstrates we participate in "forum fomenting", since method tweaks and new ideas must be posted in the member's favorite website or forum board of choice, hence we actively foment member activity over there.

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What's in it?

To me as admin: I can streamline my software efforts efficiently.

To us as BetSelection website: We can be hosted on the software forum's server for its life at no extra cost to us here.

To the community at large: Enjoying a neutral place where there is only genuine interest in fostering our common software development. Since it's free and open source, it's there for the taking for everyone to enjoy; once a program is published with editable sources it can't be taken back. The whole community wins with every release.

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This thread is for gathering some feedback here. It can be a reality as soon as this month.

Hello dear Matt,

I have code for generating the dozens/columns data files by yourself (numbers file in / dozens file out).

Would that suffice?

Quote from: Rolex-Watch on November 10, 2014, 08:21:07 PM
ZERO

Indeed. Bound to happen