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Canada isn't the third world.    They did a great job with those Olympics. 

In Sochi, many people don't even have fresh water or fresh food! 

QuoteAnd i even don't know where you took this idea from. -Iggiv

From my wife and her family.  They're Swiss, and have visited there.  Also, some of my immigrant friends, and my friends that served in Berlin.

There's lots of documentation and pictures from Sochi available on the internet, proving that Sochi wasn't ready.  I've posted some of it, above.

Whenever the Olympics are held in the US or Europe, everything is run top notch and first class.

It's going to be interesting to see what happens with terrorism over the next few weeks, since they're security is low tech and third world.  I see a big mess coming.


-Xander

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2014/02/05/15-signs-that-russia-is-not-very-ready-for-the-olympics/

You're probably right.  But to us, it's very close to being North Korea or Pre 1985 East Germany.  In the US, we view the entire Soviet Union as being the third world.  We really can't fathom the living conditions.  The immigrants that come here from there reinforce that viewpoint with their stories.

QuoteAnd you have the free will and thought to wish you could gamble online, which is comforting-Turner

I don't believe that they could gamble online there even if it was legal.  For starters I believe that most places don't even have internet.  Besides, most people there are busy standing in a line of some kind for food.   Sochi looks like a dreadful place to be.

Basically, free will and thought is illegal there.  The standard of living there is not considered "living".

http://www.break.com/pictures/sochi-winter-olympics-picture-gallery-wtf-2574118


http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2014/02/07/sochi-olympic-price-tag-soars-critic-slams-road-that-could-have-been-paved-with/

You've got to love communism!  LOL!!!    


Sochi is third world culture shot for most people from the US, and Europe.

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# WF - the edge is observed empirically but is a remarkable constant after survey of over 100,000 live spins by me in casino all over the world ( always live).


There appears to be a clustering force and that is why i term 'warm'. It is a cooler version of 'hot' numbers, but because warm there is more of them and more common but still is cyclic.


I have conducted vast research on degrees of repeats and all empirical evidence  is consistent within a measurable and significant range-XXVV

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Can you explain the research?  What is the WF (warm fuzzy) method? 

You've written a great deal, but not much about the actual method.

-Xander

QuoteI have typically seen 28 numbers performing above expectation-Pockets

I've never seen this in larger samples. 

QuoteIt would seem the obvious answer but I was curious to see if perhaps it might be something more related to the law of third, like 24 or something.

For instance, the table supplied by Xander shows 25 numbers performing above expectation, which is exactly what I'm looking for when attempting to "lasso" the random variance.
Marshall Bing Bell

The number of numbers that are above break even is actually what matters.  Above expectation can still lose. Unfortunately, as we get into larger samples, the number of them that are above break even dwindles.  In the above sample of 5k spins, there are only 12 numbers that are above break even.  (The sample is a typical random looking wheel)

Even if you knew in advance, which even money bet was going to hit the most, you'd still likely lose.  (Assuming that you were betting the same EC over and over.)  If you're bet changed at each spin, it would still take several lucky guesses to become a winner on the ECs. (Remember, the data above is from a 00 wheel).

Here's what my experience has shown to be the most efficient bet, given limited information about the wheel.  It is NOT an advantage play:

Simply bet the last number(s) to have hit.  The last number to have hit, and up to but no more than the last five numbers to have hit, based on spin direction. The fewer, the better.  If you have advanced knowledge as to what the hottest numbers on the table are, then chase the top few.  It's unlikely that a wheel will be biased enough to overcome the house edge, but every wheel is biased to some degree.  By betting on the most recent/hottest numbers, you're slightly increasing the likelihood that you will be on a potential long term winner. 

Simulations have show that this childishly simple method slightly decreases the house edge.  On some wheels it will produce an edge for extended periods of 10 to 20k spins or more.  Most of the time, it slightly cuts the house edge a tiny bit.


Xander

Maestro,

Yes, Bayes is very clever and intelligent.  He is going to great lengths to help you guys.  However, yOu may still be greener than you know.  So pay careful attention to him, because a fool and his money are easily separated.

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I would like to ask cleaverer people than me a question about z score, say i bet 33 numbers for 10 spins and then i drop 2 numbers from those 33 so start betting 31 numbers for 10 spins all together i made 20 bets but amount of numbers were different so how can i calculate my z score for spins i bet since numbers vary...thank you -Maestro

33 numbers?  Why not bet all 37 or 38 of them?

My point is betting so many number is a really bad idea.  You're just going to reach the point of no return that much sooner.  (The point at which you will lose your entire bankroll, never to break even again.)

In the random game of roulette, you actually want variance, since it's really the only way that you can get lucky and win for extended periods of time.

For example, if you look at a sample of 5000 spins, you'll find that there simply aren't 33 numbers that are above break even.  As a matter of fact, usually both the red/black odd/even are all losers by then. (00 wheel)

(An example below.  OO wheel) 37      133   0   133   37.59   0.13 27      129   0   129   38.76   -0.23 10      136   0   136   36.76   0.39 25      132   0   132   37.88   0.04 29      132   0   132   37.88   0.04 12      143   0   143   34.97   1.01 8      125   0   125   40.00   -0.58 19      111   0   111   45.05   -1.82 31      150   0   150   33.33   1.63 18      129   0   129   38.76   -0.23 6      135   0   135   37.04   0.30 21      150   0   150   33.33   1.63 33      144   0   144   34.72   1.10 16      126   0   126   39.68   -0.49 4      120   0   120   41.67   -1.02 23      139   0   139   35.97   0.66 35      123   0   123   40.65   -0.76 14      111   0   111   45.05   -1.82 2      139   0   139   35.97   0.66 0      133   0   133   37.59   0.13 28      118   0   118   42.37   -1.20 9      110   0   110   45.45   -1.91 26      122   0   122   40.98   -0.85 30      116   0   116   43.10   -1.38 11      116   0   116   43.10   -1.38 7      132   0   132   37.88   0.04 20      142   0   142   35.21   0.92 32      113   0   113   44.25   -1.64 17      153   0   153   32.68   1.89 5      143   0   143   34.97   1.01 22      137   0   137   36.50   0.48 34      138   0   138   36.23   0.57 15      135   0   135   37.04   0.30 3      134   0   134   37.31   0.21 24      140   0   140   35.71   0.74 36      150   0   150   33.33   1.63 13      143   0   143   34.97   1.01 1      118   0   118   42.37   -1.20                    Total      5,000   0   5,000                          High      153   0   153      1.89 Low      110   0   110      -1.91                    Chance of                   random (1/x)      3.158E+00      3.158E+00       Chi square      40.55      40.55                          Average      131.58   0.00   131.58       Break even      138.89   0.00   138.89                          80% hi conf.      159.88   0.00   159.88       95% hi conf.      165.54   0.00   165.54       80% low conf.      103.28   0.00   103.28       95% low conf.      97.62   0.00   97.62

                  
Best ratio      32.68      32.68      
Worst ratio      45.45      45.45      

Twocat,

Don't be so fragile.  Nobody's "just waiting to pounce on you".

  It's a forum, where people will sometimes disagree.  When it comes to winning, learning the facts and correcting mistakes can be important.  Otherwise gullible people can get sucked into the ridiculous and absurd. Don't mistake it as being a personal attack and don't let your feelings get hurt.  And no, I'm not implying that you and your methods are any of the above.


-Xander

I have some powerful simulators at my disposal and can already tell you the answer.  I also have over one million live spins from 00 wheels.

The answer on the live wheel has to do with the playing conditions, like the dealer, wheel speed, ball used, dominant diamond smack, etc.  It's not that the previous number(s) triggers another number to hit. Numbers will sometimes cluster because of the wheel's current state and fitness.  Also, sometimes the numbers only appear to cluster.


-Xander

Turner,

Bet selection may be improved by taking into account the fitness of the live wheel, the dealing proceedures, or vb methods.  Take your pick

Money management, gaming discipline, and progressions have absolutely no effect on the house edge.  It's simply what gambling authors sell when they suck at math.  (WAAAAY
too much time is wasted talking about them.)

Every spin is of course completely independent of previous spins.  This isn't even up for debate unless we're talking about testing the fitness of an RNG algorithm, or the live wheel.

Kind of off topic...

What matter most is the fitness of the wheel.  If a number hasn't shown for a long time, then the most foolish bet a person could make would be to chase the coldest number.  I have solid prove if anyone would like to argue the point further.

The opposite is true as well.  If you're on a live wheel, and you know very little about the fitness of the wheel, then the best bet that you could make would be to bet on the most recent number or few numbers to have hit, and what is listed as being the hottest number.  It would be unlikely to overcome the house edge, but it can cut the house edge down and on rare occasions over come it.  If you're someone that loves to chase numbers with the up as lose progressions, then at least chase the most recent and hottest numbers, but stay away from the cold ones.

-Xander

I'm going to basically tell you like it is.  Just the facts.

Your progressions are meaningless.  Focus first on getting the edge by finding a way to improve your bet selection.

Everything that you need to know about your progression is dependent on any edge that may get.


Focusing all of your attention on your progression is like focusing all of your attention on how to spend your millions before having actually found a way to make it in the first place. 


-Xander