Buy-In, 1-3-2-6 & 1+4 Wagering, Money Management System

I personally feel that those having a ?set anything? in gambling, especially playing baccarat is adding to the negativities and the volatility of the game against you.  What I am referring to is wagering and your money management, which are two of the most important things in gambling at baccarat.

After decades and decades of gambling at baccarat, I wholeheartedly believe and subscribe to a few different attacks on the game.  I normally do get into the mind-set of using all three when I sit down, at times I forgo one of them, but usually stay on track simultaneously alternating or combining them.  Here they are.

1)   My buy-in.  I do not like to re-buy in at all.  I feel that is a negative and a false cushion.  Many I observe with a low buy-in to their fund that they will risk and if lost, they re-buy in once again.  If they bring say $1,800.00 players might buy in up to 6 times with $300.00 each time.  I feel, that they have a false-cushion with safety and planning that way.  They are always saying, ?if I lose this in front of me?I will just buy in once again?, etc.  I rather see all my risk money in front of me before I win and divide it up, add to it and place some in reserve; 

2)   1-3-2-6 Positive Progression.  My positive progression used the majority of the time.  I do not subscribe to negative progression unless it is a series of 2, possible 3 times and then only---if the pattern, trends and previous shoe outcomes warrant it, IMO, but almost never--will I did into my buy in risk funds to start engaging in a negative progression recouping effort; 

3)   1 + 4 Side Parlay Wager.  I try to always have a side wager going for myself, when I am on a 'run' I can profit huge with my '1 unit' and then parlay that 1 unit, four times.  The one unit would normally come from a previous win amount.  As a rule, say I won $800.00, I might put $500 in my stack and then with the 3-$100 amounts, attempt a couple of 1 + 4 Parlay wagers.  I can't view it except anything but my ?lucky attempts? and my "lucky money", if I succeed with doing that one time, I would be winning $1,600.00 on the $100.00 parlay.  Better yet, what I do many times, is allocate something like $700 or $800 for a 4 chance attempt.  Say $800.00 with four chances at $200.00 each.  One successful win would net me a $3,200.00 from that initial $200.00 I played out. 

4)   1/3rd, 1/3rd, 1/3rd Money Management System.  When I double or triple my buy-in, I employ a money management system.  I divide up whatever amount I am winning, into thirds and put 1/3rd with my current buy-in, 1/3rd with a reserved amount in my pocket if I lose and desire to stay for whatever reasons and the other 1/3rd into a ?locked up? status that will not be deviated from.  I constantly divide up the win money every so often into those categories if I won. 

To me, it is all second nature.  And, after thinking back each time, I have noticed countless times, that one or the other saved me from the complete depletion of my buy-in. 

Getting ahead and quitting is very hard for myself without certain parameters that I mentioned above.  It allows me to see clearly at the table, focus on what I won, put away, have available, etc.  Instead of having a pile of chips and trying to be conscious of what I will gamble, hold, cash out or keep for later play, etc.  It works well for me the way I outlined.  It has nothing to do with wagering or strategy, it is simply a quick and easy method for all my misc., other than bet placement/bet selection method.  It does allow me to win more if I can and hold a certain amount without giving it back, etc.

Here is my reasoning.  "A Goal".  If it comes you are stopping--the true joy, the true ecstasy of the greatest game and easiest way to earn money, etc., etc.   If it doesn't come, you are going to fight, demand and feel hurt--abused--and cheated.  "Why am I here", "Why did I come here tonight", "Boy this life sucks", etc., etc., and so on.  But with both of those, you will always have, 'small losses and small wins', that is, if you stick to your stop loss and stick to your 'small win-immediate leave' protocol. Some how, at some time and inevitable--you will be busted out, ground down.  The question is not if---the question is--when.

So if you feel comfortable wagering a set amount of money and timing yourself with the wins as well as the losses, so be it.  You are, IMO, hampering any chances you truly have in this game.  I have seen hundreds turned into tens of thousands and thousands turning into hundreds of thousands.  It is all up to you, how you play, think and attack the casino.  But, what happens more times than others, is that you will feel shorted and used when you lose forcing yourself to allow repetitive buy-ins.  When you win you might be overcome with another personality and aura that will deplete all of your win and buy-in funds without offering you any chance to continue winning or maintain a certain amount you previously committed to stashing away. 

Quote from: Lungyeh on June 18, 2019, 06:41:33 PM
Glen -  it is really hard beyond comprehension to continually win 4 or more in a row. 

Then it must be really stressful to do 1-3-2-6 Glen. Because if you explain it in the next breath, it gets confusing. I remember somewhere you mentioned its subjective and it could be 1-1-3-1-2-1-1-6. Correct me if I am wrong. So the more then one unit bets could be arbitrarily placed and not necessarily consecutive to each other

Pray tell.

Yes and No.  Both. 

I do wager back to back a lot and also 3 in a row.  But most of the time I do keep my progressions and parlays going/continuing, even if it is not every hand. 

Again, depends on other factors such as how easy the previous wins came, extremely strong or very weak and catching them all or winning one out of 2 or 3, etc.  Everything has to be weighed. 

I give examples, impossible to give every type and scenario of course. 

So I may do a 1-3-2-6 but it might take me 10 or 15 hands in order to accomplish those 4 wagers.  Most of the time, I would keep it going, $200, $600, $400 and the 4th one for $1,200. 

And, I might change up yes.  3-9-6-18 or back to something real gentle like  1-1-1-5 or 1-1-1-2-4. 

But there is nothing saying we have to wager every hand or keep anything going. 

I have stated numerous times, I do like to be covered on all of my progressions with win money rather than sheer buy in risk capital.

Bank Rolls, Buy-Ins, Money Management, Wagering, Believes, Etc.

Money Management Systems tailored for your style and profit goals, etc., is the way to fuel your $$$ into your pockets when you gamble!

Lack of it will make you unsuccessful, not your choice of wagers or most other things, but lack of a money management system will hurt you more than any other thing in gambling, period!

The whole picture is your Bank roll and what you risk when you play out of your bank roll.  Personally, when I am playing locally and not staying for a week, say in Las Vegas or another major gambling destination, I only take my buy-in which is a small percentage of my dedicated bank roll.  Personally, I do risk my buy-in for the session without a stop loss.  More times than not, meaning the majority of times I can profit.  The few times I do loss my buy-in, it is far outweighed by my wins, because I use a 1/3rd Money Management System that, I refined to allow myself to leave with win money and as well?replace my original buy-in without further risk to that either. 

Buy-Ins.  So, buy-ins are totally separate from the bank roll.  5-10% buy-in at the most of the bank roll.  Personally, I cannot envision playing every day as many state they do or desire to do.  The fallacy of winning every day or having large enough bank rolls to survive hundreds of units of down swings to make a few units, is still ?dreamsville? to me after playing for around 40 years.  Personally, once or twice a week is about it, at least on a regular basis, IMO and experience.   My other rock solid iron clad rule that I might break once every 100 trips, is never buying in a second time if the buy in was lost without being able to play on win money. 

Win Money.  Personally, I employ my 1/3rd-1/3rd-1/3rd money management system which cannot and will not fail me to replace my buy-in and always leave with win money.  Period. 

What so many baccarat players I have played alongside, observed and been associated with over the years, make a single mistake.  Which is, the continued buying in after they lose their initial buy-in.  They have no structure or self-control, none.  They will drain themselves in the worst catch-22 situations they create and entrap themselves in.  If you lose, you lose.  That is it.  If you can?t get past this?nothing can or will ever help you.  Nothing, zip.  Keep losing your units and keep flat betting or even negative progression and all you do is sink yourself worse and worse.

Win money causes more clouded vision and obnoxious behavior at the baccarat table.  Get over it.  Know what wins are and how they come or do not come in proportion to losses.  You will do yourself a huge justice by learning what I just said. 

Stop believing what you play on paper using a free game, such as the one on Wizard of Odds website or any of the other on-line casino websites where they offer practice shoes.  There are other factors within a casino that come into play that do not exist on the internet. 

If you have no plan or a haphazard notion, or you sometimes do this or that with your win money---you will risk it and lose it every single time.  Those that use their win money to fuel their positive session they start to encounter will eventually lose it all, because you will play until you get it back, you will lose it all plus anything you have access to.

Do not keep adding to your bank roll.  You will doom yourself.

Do not play larger because you won a few sessions.

1-2-3-4 or 2-4-6-12, etc., positive progression will kill you if you religiously do them.  I talked about this numerous times in other posts I written.  It is easy to win one or two wagers, it is really hard beyond comprehension to continually win 4 or more in a row.  300 to 600 to 1,200 to 2,400 will happen so rarely, your lost units will outweigh by huge amounts, your won units!  That is why I subscribe to 1-3-2-6 and other versions of that style.  If I win one or two, then I ride free to win larger.  Another story and like I said, I wrote and explained that in detailed before on the board.  I promise you that it is the only way to do good-okay or at least better in the long run. 

Concerning playing every day or say 5 to 6 times a week, your mind will not allow you to play level headed and repeatedly profit a few units and continually build you bank roll.  So many preach it?it is not realistic or doable.  Sorry to harp on it, but I see it all the time.  It is not going to happen.  You will lose more than you win.  Again, looks great on paper and in theory, but you cannot and will not do it and religiously profit every week, week in and week out.

So much talk about 1's, 2's and 3's.  With it or against it.  The times you are correct you will eventually (seriously 100% of the time over say a period of sessions) give it all back by continually believing and wagering the way you just won.  That same shoe will produce just as many 1's, 2's and 3's and "cuts", the opposite way that you wager on, and if that one does not---the subsequent ones you will be playing that same day or the following days, will.  Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but it will happen the absolute highest majority of the times. 

The way you can be successful at something like that, is to be there when it happens with a certain wagering thought, but immediately after you profit from it, you have to religiously subscribe to 'refreshing and resetting' and forgetting about that.  Not particularly easy as the psychological effect will attempt to steer you to what just made you $$$ and made you delightful and feeling good all over.  Then as you attempt the replication of that same series of wagering, the shoe presentments went the opposite ways. 

Money Management Systems,.  M.M. is much more than a negative or a positive progression.  Much more than a win-stop or a loss-stop.  That is where so many will fail as well.  They play all the time, every session as if attempting to repeat their best one or copy in real life as to what they learned on paper or the internet.  Real life is a bit different than Doctor Seuss books once you are older than say 10 years old, IMO.  Realize it.

There are coincidences and phenomena in baccarat, and that is what will cloud your vision and confuse you, more than anything else in this game!  Instilling a bad sense of knowledge you will (I promise you!) wager on.  Meaning, what you saw altered your good vision or your good sense of judgement and you believed the shoe will present the hands according to what you desire through wishful thinking or fallacy beliefs.  Once you figure all this out through experience and losses, you can become a very profitable baccarat player.  Real life analogy.  Think of what I just said in this paragraph as erotic foreplay you seen in a movie.  Translate that to yourself and your erotic desires.  How many times will you lay your eyes on a female, grasp each other, go buy the bottle of wine and strip each other's clothes off and find yourself on those silk and satin sheets with the wind blowing through the open window and the dove that, suddenly flew in and perched himself on the bedpost as you make love to the most beautiful girl you happened to meet in your life and you don't even know her name?

Playing -?-, -?- or -?- of the shoes or only wagering after ever 4th repeating banker or player for the '1s' or the 'cuts', does not matter.  As many times as you win those, you will lose when those do not happen.  Simple.  But those that go into dialog s, real convincing and real slick will convince you otherwise.  Counting, waiting and looking for an event will not work in the long run.  It might for the same day-one session and if you only play once or twice a year, but it will not if you play on a regular basis.  Playing that way will kill you, I promise you!

Call me crazy, call me the Rain Man with this repetitive talk.  But you know what, it freaking works. 

Haphazard sucks and willpower and devotion to flat betting is like seeing how far a knife can stick into you without passing out.  The list truly goes on. 

Wager 1:  $100 wager and win.  $200 in front of you.
Wager 2:  $300 wager and win.  $600 in front of you. ($200 back in buy-in, $200 next wager/$200 side)

If you did lose at this point, you only invested the 2 units of your buy-in, say you bought-in with $1,000 and got your 10 black chips.  If you won at this point you have a $400 win.  Think about it---you are going to wager anyway, why not have a plan and a way to capitalize if it does go your way, instead of just throwing your chips into your buy-in and keep trying for more and more??? 

Here comes the best part, if you won--you are on the casino's money (yes it is yours but you want to gamble like me and you want to win something more than a couple hundred, or if you are in a larger gaming jurisdiction--say Vegas, AC, Connecticut or Florida you can make that $100/1 Unit, $500, etc.)  To me, at this point it is Money Management to a point because you are certainly managing and maximizing your bank roll and chances. Wagers 3 and 4 are the best, '2 free chances' now that you paid your dues on the first two, no further risk on the these two.

Wager 3:  $200 wager and win.  $400 in front of you.  (You now have $600 win and you have nothing
                                                                                 from your original buy-in at risk)
Wager 4:  $600 wager and win.  $1,200 in front of you.  (If you lost, oh well, back to the one unit, even
                                                                                    you won, back to one unit, the same or higher)

Now, if I won Wager 3, I would take at least one more unit from my buy-in, and in this case, that would have been $100.  I would also wager my 4 parlay 'side wager'.  Yes, on top of my 1-3-2-6 wagering bet of course.  With the 4 time parlay, I would set that aside and probably not wager it consecutively, just here and there.  Wager the first time and parlay 4 times.  So with this, I attempt the $100, $200, $400, $800, $1,600 wagers.  If I am successful on that, the ultimate before pocketing, would be $3,200 for a $3,100 profit. 

And, like I mentioned--I don't wager this '1 and 4 parlay' every hand, but it is my separate wager of sorts whether combined with another one or by itself. 

That way, I have extra action-motivation and things going on.  For myself, it works out a heck of a lot better than haphazardly wagering.  Thus, giving yourself real purpose and direction in wagering goals and a plan of sorts.

PS:  You do not have to wager every hand either.  Do not forget: The 1 + 4 Side Parlay is a separate action wager going on aside from your main wagering action. 

Here is the summation.

When I win, I take 1/3 of the win money and pocket it, cash it and will not in any way whatsoever use it.  I take another 1/3 of the win money and increase my Bankroll with it.  I take the remaining 1/3rd of the win money and keep it as a reserve if I lose my bankroll I am playing with and still desire to play longer. 

You can do it with any amount of win.  Say you buy in with $600.00 and get up to $1,800.00.  Take $400 and pocket it.  Increase your Bankroll to $1,000.00 and put the other $400 in your pocket as a backup bankroll. 

Say you won another $1,000.00.  Take $350.00 and make your bankroll $1,350.00.  Take another $350.00 and put it with the $400.00 and that makes $750.00 you can't touch.  Take the other $300.00 and put it with the reserve bankroll you have of $400 making it now $700.00.

For me, I get the piece of mind, that I always have another chance if I lose and still want to keep playing.  I have something from my win money already 'locked up' and cannot be touched.  I have a slightly bigger bankroll.  When I do these things, it stops me from playing the way I used to with win money, and seldom holding on to it when things turned ugly. 

All I know for me and some others, compiling the win money into your bankroll sitting on the table, only makes it subjected to larger bets and being lost easier than it does without some kind of plan. 

Do it with any amount of win money, adjust it for your own psychological well being.  To me and most I speak with, it is easier to walk away after winning, when you know you have really tried to win more and maybe one more shot or another round at a table after a meal or a break, etc.  Maybe you can win money and stack it up in front of you and value it properly, but for most players it makes them play a bit more recklessly and dangerously then when they initially sat down with XYZ bankroll.

For me, I am satisfied with the way it works out when I do some kind of plan as I mentioned here.  When I just throw the winnings into the stack in front of me, I have to attempt calculations at how much for this and how much I should cash out 'later', etc.  If I put all my winning  into my pocket and employ 'attempted' willpower, there is no reward and satisfaction for the instant time, while sitting there playing.  If I divide it up as I go along, I have clearer mind and gives me a psychological advantage.

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The entire site is now owned by me.  I plan to move forward with positive creations, posts, rooms, blogs, and other forum matters, including YouTube and other personal interfacing related areas of involvement.  There will be the Rules & Regulations of Betselection posted and highlighted today within the General Discussion Room.  Please review them and take them serious.

I state here and now, we will not tolerate the discussion of, innuendos, and bringing up of past indifferences from this forum or any other forum or website. This includes twisting and turning, attempts at negating, chastising, humiliating, degradation, etc.  I am sure there are a few that will not choose to follow what I just laid out and those will suffer moderation and/or being banned.  The rules must be followed without question.  I cannot name everything that will be challenged by the negative naysayers and the drama driven members, but you have the gist of it within this paragraph.  If you cannot enjoy, learn, find interesting, and contribute things in a positive and noncombatant way, move on to another forum or form of social media.

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Quote from: Johno-Egalite on June 17, 2019, 07:09:15 AM
There lies your mistake.

On your forum???

To the members of BetSelection.  Hi.  I have well over 70 pages of PMs as well as about 100 emails from the past year or so.  I am not the evil devil a few portray me to be, but you can assume, think and believe what you desire and deem accurate within your own mind.

I went through many of them the past couple of days.  Below I Copy & Pasted one that stands out and proves the many positive aspects of a neutral, positive and open minded community would lend huge amounts of knowledge and opportunity for all.  No matter what you practice or believe in for wagering, gambling and casino money management methods, there is so much to learn from so many if we had a better and less argumentative community. 

I am not pointing fingers, past is past and if we can move on with whatever original, past or newer members desire to make Betselection the kind of place it can certainly be or become, we have a great learning, reference and technical tool most of us can find something that assists us improve or a valuable go to type of gaming Q&A open forum.

Read the below copy and paste.  Think about it.  There are numerous motives and approaches for the bulk of us.  So we do not all agree or find exact interfacing with every type of member and post.  If you find something interesting and worthwhile with your own ideas and motives pursue it, if not, move on without retaliatory statements and negativity. 

Hopefully I brought out it is okay to be different without destroying anyone's motives and purposes for posting, asking questions and existing within our forum.   
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Hello,

I would like to re-register under a different username (with my current email address),  would you be able to delete my account so I can do that? I would like to start participating a on your forum but I do not want to do it under my current user name.

My motivation for wanting to participate here even though I am a member of BTC I will explain.  I am not here to spy, bash, defend or get into forum battles. I have a 10-11 hour a day job writing middleware, a wonderful ********************************************. I am only interested in learning, I only have about 1 hour a day free time and I am not going to spend it defending or bashing. I am an easy going guy who just wants make some friends and have some conversations. My BTC friends, will remain my friends and I hope to make new ones here. There is no reason we can't all be friends.

Back to motivation:::: After reading Gizmotron's posts....I think he is my only counterpart. He has mentioned using AI software to analyze Roulette. I have written similar applications for baccarat that are promising. I just have absolutely no one to talk to about the code I am writing, no one to share ideas with, talk about problems etc... I hope to have some conversations with him, depending on where he lives maybe even meet and talk to him.  He may not be interested in talking to me and that is his choice. But when I saw he mentioned using AI to analyze roulette.... I thought dang...I need to talk to this guy, I am doing something similar for baccarat that I have had positive results with.

I will not be posting too much about software like Gizmotron, I just want to hopefully start some conversations with him. What I worry about in posting too much about software is everyone thinks one of the following:

1. The guy is a scammer trying to sell me something (I am not)
2. Software turns a casino game into an ATM machine (it does not)
3. Software cannot help in a game of chance (this is not entirely correct)

I actually understand what Gizmotron is saying about his software because I am experiencing the same thing. An AI/learning software can push the probability envelope to favor the player in many cases. But like Gizmo says, you have to learn how to use it because it does not work all the time. There is a method to using it.

I did not intend to write all this, but I just wanted to introduce myself a bit and chat to let you know I am a genuine guy, I am not here to cause your board any harm or spy or anything. I just do not have anyone to talk to about what I am doing so I thought I would reach out to you and Gizmo.

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It is our Day, the only of the year that is about us.

So, it is about us.  Us and BetSelection. 

You, 21Aces, SoxFan and the other one, Lugi/JohnO/Mark/Rolex/Relex/Eaglite/Junket or Junk King/ & more, etc., etc., are the four that stagnated and contributed to the downfall of the board in huge ways.  You are slick and have a great head on your shoulders but you two-time and back stab the same as the others.  Xander was along for the ride.  5 of you failed to follow the rules, clearly.  Blame it on what you want.  I opened my arms, apologized and allowed you as well as 21Aces that turned me down, back on the board. 

The board is changing today in every way you can imagine.  Personally I do not think the 5 of you belong here. 

It may be labeled a public forum, but it is still under the same premise as a B&M Casino property or a retail store.  WE reserve the right to refuse service to anyone.  Period. 

You have demeaned, chastised and humiliated. 

Happy Father's Day to all the positive and wonderful members here. 

Do not lose hope in BetSelection, it will be positive and a great place once again real soon! 

Have a great day!  Alrelax/Glen.

Exactly!  Great!  A great example of exactly that.  And they are reinforced to the millionth power when they get those 10 out of 13 or 15 out of 20ish correct. 

Then when the 4s or the 7s or the two events of 11 to 15 repeats in the same shoe and they lost, while others won tens of thousands of dollars, everyone looks at each other and gets flustered and mad, at least the majority of them anyway.

The cut/chop player sees all the money he could have won and the streak or camaraderie or crazy stupid player wagering on what the actual event is and exploiting it, becomes a tad bit reserved as they are set to wager thousands and that cut/chop wagerer is down there wagering the opposite side for table min with his eyes attempting not to make contact with all the others. 

The story goes on......................but it is reality at the B&M guys.

Here it is guys, explains life, hard core reality of life, situations and what the those with a brain and experience do:

Which Nick, the so called renegade cop with his counterpart of the FBI, LOL.  Great comparison right here with us.

I am not sure yet, but I am not cuffing up, just remember, I am not cuffing up, remember those words.

Watch the whole thing or most importantly watch:  3:15 to 4:25, then 5:50 to 6"35, then 7:50 to 9:10.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGm13RJ2xVM

The casino is what this whole topic is about.  The casino changes most things, most plans, most people is so many countless ways.

I brought them to life with actual experiences and people.  Certain members get upset and their true side show, which is hatred, ill feelings and making up lies and rationalization themselves. 

Sad, but true. 

The other half (or thereabouts) of the board is about on line gaming.  The same basic happenings, just not easily defined, cared about or anything of the likes. 

But still there, just sitting alone in their homes playing on line the same games in a different way. 

The internet, The Knowledge, Info, Data, Etc.  All right there for better--for worse!

Out of curiosity---Message Board Fallacy and the Desire to Chastise Others.  What is the real reason?

Personally, I don't read out of, "Curiosity to chastise", or "Whom can I belittle or humiliate today", such as done by Jimske, and the other, oh what is his handle or name today, Rolex, HohnO, Eaglite, Lugi, Mark, one of them anyway?  At least to go looking for them, and there sure are plenty of fishes in the sea!  However, when someone comes on one of my posts, I will probably answer, unlike many others----I believe it is rude and not appropriate to ignore questions as well as a rude comment by another on a thread anyone creates.  If you are going to create, answer and be real, same as you would do if it was in person. 

The same as a book or movie or a local hangout of any type.  If you don't enjoy it, if you don't learn something, if you are not interested in it, if you don't like the person writing whatever it is, if you are above what the person is discussing or you get upset, why would you even go on that page and waste your time with it?  Something I never really understood for the life of myself! 

Why demean, 'chastise', belittle someone that wrote something (something that is written in a real-nature and non-commercial/non-scamming type of gesture, etc.)  in his opinion and research or his beliefs that are not in retaliatory style to anything that you have written yourself or subscribe to?  There are many examples of this going on the internet casino gambling boards.   

Such as the likes of certain past and a few current members here on BetSelection.  Also, and a most perfect example would be the elite group of 'so-called' professional multi-million dollar full time baccarat players that attempt to and collude with the owner of the website to sell monthly memberships and subscriptions where you have to be accepted to join and the only requirements are, pay monthly fees and basically be submissive and agree to whatever is said.  Best of all, no experience needed and no contribution required, only to pay a certain amount of money a month.  You kind of, and have to praise and worship those putting on the show also, but hey---like I said, submissive.  If you choose to believe in fallacy, desires, fantasies and scheming---join them.  If not, then stay within the real-world of gambling and baccarat because if you do join them---you will head yourself down the worst road you possibly could in the world of fallacy and dreams for sale.  Anything that is really worthwhile said within their elite circle of paid members, is actually available for free anywhere else on the internet.  As far as all the strategic and secretly uncovered patterns and wagering success, it is just good old fashioned ?arm-chair? quarterbacking turned into wishful thinking that their randomness will really repeat itself and consistently provide you wealth, which if it really was---they would not be wasting their ultra-valuable time selling low dollar memberships to their circle of bull poo-poo to the millionth degree.

I speak the brutal honest truth, which many can't stand because it contradicts their agenda, roles or salesmanship tactics.  Message boards are used by many people in many varying ways.  However, I use them and believe that many exist on them for their learning, interests, research and enjoyment of whatever the subject matter is.  Unfortunately, there are those that use them as their 'base', their 'website' and marketing tool to locate and market to those of a less experienced, vulnerable and less knowledgeable aspect of whatever the subject is, to sell them their 'scams' and fallacies turned around and masked as the, 'easy-street of gambling', that will make you wealthy, etc. 

My words and thoughts (mostly through or based upon my own casino experiences) rather than strictly on-line or 'non-lived' type of experiences, is what I choose to use.  I have never been overwhelmed or attempted to get involved in the theories and the statistical mathematical end of gambling, because to me'''that applies to the 'long run', which we do not play when we sit down at the table and put out real money on the real table to play the real game of baccarat.  We could just as easily receive the 3 shoes that produced 50 + Players for the 80 hands each as we would receive shoes that produced 36 Bankers and 34 Players, close to what the statistical models prove in mathematical testing, etc.   But, members and readers will interpret what one says on the message board according to their own agenda and beliefs the majority of the times, rather than where the author of the information came from and what he experienced, is the mistake I think many make when using a message board.  You can learn a lot on the various message boards and forums alike.  Or, you can obtain the wrong information which could lead you down the road of financial disaster as well.  Be careful what you feed into your brain and use your wallet to fund your pursuit of winning with.  Most forums have huge agendas and hidden secrets, I warn you from the bottom of my heart.  BetSeleciton is one of the few that does not and attempts to administer a forum that reasonably commercial-free or let?s say, ?non-forced? upon its members.  While other forums and boards, sole mission from its owner(s) and their colluded with side-kicks, is to sell memberships or their other agendas by deceitful and dominant means for its readers and members to live out the fallacies of becoming professional full-time multi-million dollar winners at the casino with their special information known only by their group of key-players at that website/forum/board, etc.   

But, message boards and forums, have agendas and reasons for their own existence.  Usually it is about money and something the owner and their colluded with sidekicks, assist them with to form a certain 'circle of business?'with.  Each one puts on a pretty good front, IMO to cover up this end of themselves.  Please ask yourself, Is it or they say it does,"such and such", why are they giving it away for $50.00 a month or something else for several hundred or even one thousand dollars??  Seriously guys!  Why would they all not be out on a Caribbean island relaxing in the tropical breeze, playing golf and getting daily massages and every so often replenishing their bank accounts with the millions of dollars they claim they take from the casinos with their super secretive information that you can get---if you only join their special circle of professional players, etc.   Oh yeah, I answered my own question?I forgot.  They are not out on a Caribbean Island doing all that luxurious stuff because they are compelled to help their fellow gambler and internet friend out of the goodness of their hearts, etc., etc., etc., and so on and so forth and they have to constantly be on their computers to quickly ban anyone that comes forth with actual, factual and real gaming experiences and perhaps, just might post something that would be detrimental to the discreditation of the members that endorse the owners line of 'propaganda'. 

So, go ahead and believe what so many will say on these types of forums, boards and websites., that it is possible to have that luxurious, lifestyle of becoming a multi-million dollar professional elite baccarat gambler, just like them---if you join their circle of special friends and just pay a little bit of money for such a special privilege.  How was that, pretty close to what they are doing? 

I guess all sides really do exist on the internet.  I never really did realize it until I compared the internet to real life and visa-versa.  And the message boards & forums are pretty much a carbon copy in so many ways!