H-Money recouped right at $24,000.00 from the one shoe the other night.  I took $18,000.00 right off the table and went to cash it in.  I held it for him with making him to stick to 1/3rd of the $6,000.00 win in front of him plus his buy in. 

He got up to $11,000.00 or so of win without his buy in, using my 1/3rd Money Management Method and then went went down to $7,500.00. Then I told him I was leaving and he agreed. 

His total recoup was right at $25k to $26k with his buy in put back away as well.

It worked.  Thank the Lord!

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Oh Lord, H-Money text me this morning before he got out of his house to go open his business.  He said he had a dream last night.  I will post the text later tonight. 

The following was posted by Lungyeh, in another thread:

There have been countless discussions about systems based approaches, trends, anti trends, dragon repeat, dragon jump (BPBPBP...) etc.

I had an interesting discussion with several gamers recently as to an approach which has won one practitioner S$1mil per year for 2 years running now.

This guys spends 4-5 hours a day in the casino walking around looking for a noisy busy table. Baccarat tables are normally busy in Asian based casinos due to the popularity of the game. He finds a table and watches for a lead customer on a roll ie making unfathomable winning hands. He merely follows with a S$1k bet and once awhile S$2k. He wins 3-4 bets and leaves making S$3-4k per day. No fuss no stress. No system.

One could also find a losing customer who loses no matter what he bets. We just bet opposite to his bets. I am not a proponent of this schadenfreude approach and I find no joy in this practice and do not recommend.

But following the winning bets of a customer on a roll sounds good and less stressful.

And yes, I totally agree.  I have written about this and most things that go along with it, emotions, winning no matter what the person wagers on, losing no matter what the person wagers on, etc.  It all affects the atmosphere of those sitting at the table.

No matter what anyone says, a table of screaming people winning stacks of chips equivalent to most any ones weekly pay check or take from a business within 30 to 90 seconds at a clip, is powerful.  That is a given.  Coupled with occurring hand after hand after hand.

Like wise, the complete opposite.  Losing.  Extremely powerful as well,  Although a miserable aura and heart wrenching feelings abound, especially when you know the people or have played with them for some time, even worse.   

There are players at a table that will very obviously wager very clearly opposite of what some are doing and there are other players that will also wager with those, especially the larger wagering bets being made.  Both have an effect on many people, maybe not all, but most.  I generally do not wager against people, I have if I see something else that leads me that way, but rarely have I for just that sole reason.  On the other hand, I have solely wagered with other players, which I call getting sucked in, for the sole reason of their wager.  Seldom is it a small wager or just asking someone what side to wager on, etc. 

Many things at the bac table as I have mentioned in my long rants and threads, etc., have pointed these things out.  Yes, there are many side ways things that come into play for various reasons I believe we all have, no matter if that is columns, roads, guessing, past experiences, things other players are saying and doing, etc. 

If someone can limit themselves to something such as Lungyeh stated above, it simplifies the game enormously.  However, there very well might be a downfall to that as well.  Can that person looking for a happy/joyous table with a certain caliber of winning player or even a losing one with the player destined in his mind to lose, and place your larger wager accordingly always maintain their winnings and consistently rely on that as the sole source of their betting reason(s).  A few wagers, quick and simple.  A nice possible protocol?

Can that be replicated into its own game plan and schedule for others to count on?  But do it too much and the tables turn, which they always will in the game of bac.

Brings one player to mind I watched for years.  Always came with the same amount of money.  $600.00.  Always bought in for $300.00 once or twice.  Once if he won and twice if he lost.  His wagers were always the same.  I can not tell you why he wagered on what he did, he never spoke to anyone.  But it was clear what he was doing.  He was betting on the opposite side when everyone was all heavy wagering on one side, but never the first time the table wagered on that one side after the guy got there and bought in. He would put the $300.00 on the opposite side and if won he would do it one additional time with a full parlay.  His goal was to wager to win $900.00.  He never played more than the $600.00 once a week and he almost never played past obtaining $900.00 if he won.  I might have seen him wager once more on rare occasion.  I just remember this player now that Lungyeh wrote what he did.

I see many wager small amounts and much larger amounts with that purpose.  I have just never seen anyone that decisively did it without wagering anything else or playing a longer time, with the exception of that one person.   

Fact is, anything is possible and anything can win in Bac for a few hands within a shoe.     

TITLE:  Collusion on the Felt
AUTHOR:  Michael Philip Pernatozzi
Published: 2008
iUniverse Books

Novel, easy reading, thriller, Baccarat and Vegas.  Written buy a long term X-Casino industry person from Vegas and the author lives in Vegas.

I recommend this for easy reading. 

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When someone admits that his own bred of people, Asians, are degen and stupid gamblers, it is not racist or anything of the nature, BTW, LOL.  Go eat some waffles and watch the changing of the guard or what ever the unintelligent junk is they call it. With their cartoon Peter unintelligent-bro hats on, LOL.

A little over an hour drive to go pick him up, a bit over one hour to get to the casino, then an hour back to drop him home and about an hour to get myself home as well.  His car is in the dealership waiting for parts, so I have to drive and go get him. 

Going with H-Money tonight to a casino.  He has $300 of promo chips expiring in April and only needs $300 to buy in with.  I told him I did not want to go, too much to do.  He begged me.  I told him I would under one condition.  He brings only the $300 cash and he plays with that and I get the promo chips, LOL! , but true!  And, if he wins double the $300, he has to put 50% away of the win ($300) and he can continue playing with the remaining win plus whatever he has of the buy-in.  And, then every time he gets in excess of $300 win, at least 50% has to be put away.  He agreed. 

I will attempt to take pics and post tomorrow night. 

No, there is a lesson to be learned here I do believe.  As well, the insight to minds of gamblers should be talked about and explored. 

He is not going to listen to me and I am not his 'wife' or 'parent'.  I agree with you, most people do not really care or learn what others do at the tables.  But in this case since I have in depth and detailed discussions with H-Money, I think putting it out there for all to read is insightful to those that think baccarat is the easy-money street to fame and fortune.

You know, people do not really look at those that lose and devastate themselves.  All they generally look at and talk about, is the high fiving, the larger wins and how half the table of 4 or 5 players profited by tens of thousands of dollars on a streak or two of Bs or Ps the other night at the bac table, etc.

Re-Read if you are a serious player. 

IMO, right up there at the top of the list.

H-Money calls me this morning.  All upset and pissed off.  LOL!  I kinds knew what was coming and without saying anything, there it came in a minute. 

He tells me, that he went to the casino last night.  Brought $500.00, $300.00 was his and $200.00 from his other friend, actually a part-time employee of his from his business. 

I stopped him right there.  I repeated myself to him for the millionth or so time, he needs to calm down and rethink his play.  He needs to get the desire to make money and set things straight, clean out of his mind.  Because that is exactly what he is constantly doing.  I know this 100% because of his own admission to that and his own confessions. I do not assume, he tells me, I know him, etc.

Anyway, he continues probably never hearing much of what I told him.  He says how it was all Banker with one Player and then Banker and how he was going with the Banker instead of following everyone else for the cut wager.  He said he got up to almost $3,000.00 or so and then it goes to all chop. He then tells me how he was wagering for the Players side at that point because he just knew the Players would have to start making doubles or triples or even a streak or two. 

I asked him, why do you believe things like that?  And H-Money tells me, without hesitation, because that is what it normally does.  I asked him to define, normally.  He pauses, hesitates and then says, you know most shoes it does.  Once the Banker makes so many winning hands then it will switch to Player winning hands.  I said, really.  H-Money defended what he just told me in great detail with examples of how there are heavy Players side wins and then it will go to Banker side wins, etc.  He flip flops back and forth and explains it all to me.  Then I ask him, what about the times it does not, maybe you were just sitting at the shoes that are abnormal and out of realm, no?  He pauses again and says, he does not know. I asked him, how many times have you seen a shoe end with +10 to +20 of any one side?  He said plenty.  And I asked him, how many times have you seen shoes end with only + or - 1 to 5 or so?  And he answer, plenty as well.  I asked him, how do you know you were sitting at one of those shoes that was going to end with the + or - 1 to 5, almost equal at the end?  And he says, he did not, there is no way to know that he also said. 

So, there we have it.  You know what can happen and you also know what can not happen.  But do you apply that with that knowledge and consciousness when wagering or do you apply one side of it?

So he is kicking himself in the rear for giving back the $3,000.00 or so of win money and then he lost the $500.00 buy-in as well.  He said he went crazy, never saw it and should have walked with at least $2,500.00 of win, plus his original $500.00 buy-in.  Easy to say after the fact, but at the table, an entirely different picture of everything!  I have always said that.

I already know, H-Money had a $10,000.00 or even a $20,000.00 vision there in front of him, he knew he could do it, but once again failed.  Heck, even if my buddy had gotten to the $10,000.00 win mark, he would have then focused on $100,000.00.  It all boils down to that proverbial and infamous saying.  Been There--Done That. 

And until you do, you will still be oblivious while at the Bac table! 

   

Quote for April:

"It costs to be stupid. The stupider you are, the more it costs to learn Baccarat".

Said by a great baccarat player.

You said; "Playing by instinct or by experience may be valuable random walks but too much affected by emotional and actual factors. More importantly playing instinctively leads to bet too many hands."

1)  Exactly;

2)  Spot-On;

3)  Absolutely;

4)  No Argument;

5)  100%;

6)  Again, all the above 100 times!

However, if you do not play, you cannot win.  The emotional aspect of the game is huge and countless people playing for years never recognize that, address that or factor it in. 

Gotta love the others that post a one liner here and there and specialize in the degradation and attempt to humiliate another that actually takes time to write out, type out and post his thoughts, experiences, events and actions on the board here-or at the other forums as well.

You know the types I am referring to.  They come on and will try their best to twist and turn someone's efforts with no real purpose except to inflict drama and talk wash-woman soap opera style rebuttals to things other members have posted. 

Eventually they get banned, moderated or just go away.   Pretty sorry and sad.  They portray themselves as extremely experienced, successful and wealthy gamblers of one type or another and pro message board people.

No, i am not worried about them, I am not defending myself and I do not lose sleep over them.   It is amusing to say the least.  I finally found a comparison to those I observed at the casino the other night.  A guy rushes into the bathroom and bumps into several people walking in or out of the busy entrance/exit way to the restrooms.  One of the people he bumped into says, hey buddy there are two words called excuse me.     

H-Money, some know who this is and others do not.  I will bring you up to date.  I stopped posting about my friend I call H-Money due to a previous banned member here that was just too outspoken, lied and manipulated his way into things that he had no business or need to be into.  With that said, H-Money has gambled his family savings away in a short order of time.  I wrote about him previously and added many details and trip reports we both incurred as well as H-Money without myself present at the casino. 

With that said, if you know whom I am referring to, read on, if not?you will have to read some of the background on the board here and then you will understand.  Anyway, the past  month H-Money has been hitting the casino hard.  Most weeks he goes at least 3 times a week.  He has won several times but refuses to adhere to any of the money management methods I have showed him and we have both used together at the casinos.  He just plays and plays and plays.  If we are together and we win, he will leave with me.  He has no problem most of the times to stop play and cash out. 

The problem with H-Money comes when he removes himself from the casino and he is not with someone or not working at his business.  Then it sets in.  He needs the action, at least he tells himself that in such a way he convinces himself he can win additional money.  Even when he is at the casino, he continually tells himself this while he is playing, losing or winning, does not matter.  He continually reinforces himself with positive statements and believes, no matter what.

He pretty much risks $1,500.00 to $2,500.00 a week.  I will say, when he wins at least double what he has on him or bought in for, he will leave.  Sometimes, a bit better than in the past he will pay his bills and set aside a bit of cash for later in the week.  But if he does not hit that double mark or greater with a win, he will continue to play and eventually lose everything he brought to the casino.  Every time.  He just has that average Asian gambling mentality, that he can absolutely beat the game. When he is not in the casino, he is a different and much more rationale person about it all.  But put him in a casino, everything changes that quick, to this day. 

His new line to me is, man I am dying Glen, I am dying.  Help me get out of this.  That is what he says, and he says it repeatedly.  I tell him, plead with hi, to cut down on his play and concentrate.  He is a good player in theory, style and wagering, but he just has the mentality that he can change everything with the upcoming hands of each shoe. 

Last week he called me up early on Saturday morning, around 7 AM or so.  Told me how he lost $4,600.00 at the casino during the night and how he seen it coming but could not control himself.  I asked him if he was still going to gamble, he said of course and had no plans to stop.  He even told me he was borrowing money and collecting some that people owed him later that night and wanted to go to the casino on Sunday. 

He even admits to me now about how the Asian mentality and the Asians are typically thinking when they play the game.  Yet, he falls right into the trap he is knowledgeable about and exploiting for sake of conversation.  The more he plays and the more he loses, the more he convinces himself he is excluded from everything he learned.  LOL!  I laugh at him and he tries to justify everything he does with his knowledge and experience and he keeps telling me how everything will change. 

And by the way for those of you that think H-Money has had his privacy violated by me, you are assuming the furthest thing from the truth.  He is very knowledgeable of my message board and forum activities as well as reading the board.  He has no problem with it and there is zero issue.  Just thought I would throw that in since another likes to read what I write, turn it around and make accusations that are completely false, fraudulent and just plain unintelligent. 

I have nothing against Asians, the mother of my children is Asian and she is my wife.  Accusing me of being racist and anti-Asian is the most ridiculous and ludicrous thing one can say.  But the truth is, numerous Asians at every where I have played are among the hardest core, worst and most degenerate gamblers I have seen.  I put some whites and a few other races of players right there also, but the magnitude of the mentality of the Asian gambler, is shown exactly by my buddy whom is extremely smart and successful in many of his walks of life, except his baccarat play.  Plain and simple.  He takes a beating and he continues and thieves for additional beatings without saying the word, mercy.