What so many do not understand, chastise, humiliate or belittle me about is my Sections & Turning Points as well as my Levels and Plateaus.  They are intangible but there!  I promise you.  Do you know what yours are? 

When I cashed out the $6,500.00 I set aside, I was up probably around $9,000.00.  I kept my buy in and the $2,500.00 of win money for continuing to play. 

That was about the point where the Asian guy was up around $15,000.00 at least.  He went big and hard with continuing wagers.  Sure, he could have double to tripled or quadrupled that real quick into $30,000.00 or $60,000.00.  But he lost all his win money and became flustered, mad and extremely aggravated. 

The guy started to lose as soon as I got back from the cashiers cage.  I told him, lets go to the other casino.  He said no.  I played a little bit more and did not feel anything.  The Asian lady had to stop top make phone calls for her business as well.  The guy was losing quick and large.  I finally convinced him to leave the casino and we left.  He lost virtually all his win money from the previous shoes, at least $25,000.00. 

I would risk my buy in and the other $2,500.00 I set aside for continued play.  I know in my heart and soul, we will all loose at some point.  Problem being, when the wins come and come strong, almost every single one of us are superman, non destructible players, ready to recoup the lifetime of losses, ready for a million dollars and it fails every single time.  Hence my money management method assures me I will walk a winner and happy once out of there, every single time.  If I follow it.  And I do, except for once in the past since, 2000 or so anyway. 

So we left the casino and went to the other one.  And that is we we walked and both looked at each other and said, Players streak.  We caught it and caught it well.  He recouped all his lost win money form the other casino and as well, was now up.  His mental state was great.  We returned to the other casino and played extremely well.

Quote from: ChopChop on May 29, 2019, 03:30:33 AM

Hell of a trip report, that was an awesome read!  A good percentage of the time you go play baccarat, its going to be a losing session.  Even the few that are up lifetime will lose close to half of there sessions statistically speaking. At times that is correct and other times, absolutely not.  (I have made far greater in profit than my losses.  That is because I have recognized a player can not do it every single time.  I do not grind, I do not play for a certain stop loss or stop win set in stone.  I play to risk my buy in and I play to win several times greater amounts than my buy in.  I have written about this numerous times.  Most do not believe it because they are so called professional, full time, every day, all day gamblers and they have set ways.  They lose or break even most all times.  Sure there are exception and sure some are profitable, but not the norm of them.  If you believe all the hype and all the rubbish about Banker and Player and what will or will not happen and wager with the majority of the times something could happen, you are doomed.  By the way there are very few commission games left in the USA, it is almost all EZ Bac and Bad Bet Bac, so forget about the commission deal on Banker here.  The hardest part of Bac is yourself, not the game at all.  But yes, my buy in money is a small part of my bank roll and with the 20-30 chances I have with that bank roll divided up, I will recoup all losses and have a hefty profit numerous times, which allows me to replenish the bank roll and have that profit money.  The mistake I used to make prior to 2000 was playing bigger ad bigger and larger and larger, no matter what, that is how I learned my Levels and Plateaus and that is what governs me, I proved it once again with pictures last week.  I made my bank roll 4 to 5 times over on a single buy in.  That money is gone now, spent or locked up and if feels great, fantastic and awesome.)


Which got me to thinking about your style of play.  Yes you can lose your buyin just like anyone else, but your pounce on it mentality you describe allows you to really hit some big ones once in awhile. And a loss is a loss, doesn't matter if its death by a thousand cuts or 8 or 9 shots.  Why not give yourself an opportunity to maximize your profits if you actually do end up on the positive side in a session.
(Yes I pounce on the shoe, the casino when something is happening.  To me, that is the only way.  I have always had a full time business or partnership for my career.  I have always played since 2000 or probably since 1997 or so, that my buy in is part of my bank roll and disposable, pure risk money.  Same as in business, sometimes it works and sometimes it does not.  But when it works it needs to multiply itself, not be equal to survive.  Same, same. You have the sentence I am answering pretty much spot on.  There really is no correct way to play or not play the game of bac.  It is what you can catch, no matter if that is 10 fortune 7s out of 2 shoes or 2 three card 8-9s out of two shoes or 20 chops chops or a 15 Player streak almost followed by a 16 Banker streak.  Hell, F*** Me, I have never ever seen a casino in the USA say, Sorry Glen or Sorry John Smith, you won but the way you won is not kosher and not right so we refuse to pay you, you should have lost.  Seriously, think about.  What the heck does it matter?)



Were you using the 1326 progression?   Do you keep a scorecard with hand values or just use the casino  provided screen?   (At times I do use the 1-3-2-6, but the wins were happening fast, so I rather parlay immediately and then press up the parlayed win as well.  Then pull down the winnings.  If I lost the parlayed win, I would go back down in the next initial wager.  Like after we lost the first 3 wagers on that 15 Player streak that started with the first three being Naturals.  I wagered $300.00 along with the Asian guy and the Asian girl.  He was the same, she was at $500.00.  She plays bigger and harder but normally stays shorter time. We already won before that and we were all going to leave if I recall.  But we started to win again in that shoe.  Anyway, we lost the first three and I believe we all lost, $300-$300-$300 and $500-$500-$500.  That is when we stopped the game, we took a break, we talked.  Thank God we did, cause I know in my heart if we did not we would have been flustered and began wagering against each other.  WE overpowered the shoe by realizing what the shoe was doing and we said F***, go for it.  Go with it, Players time, has not been a decent streak in a few shoes.  No we did not change anything, we bowed to the enemy and we got on the enemies side.  I wagered $300, won.  Then $600 and won.  Then $1,200 and won.  I was not and the other 2 were not going to do the same but I wagered the $2,400 and that was my final.  I pulled down every winning hand for the wins on hands 7 through 15 and lost hand 16.  I should have profited $18,000.00 after my loss of $900 and giving up the last one.  I think the Asian lady profited right at $30,000.00 she adjusted one time in the middle.  We did even better on the Banker run, but we did not believe it ourselves, because it came just a few hands after that great Players run.  We were stupid and reverted back to the chop mentality and 1s and 2s beliefs.  Those come and come the majority of the times, but they were not at the present time. 

As far as a scorecard, sometimes.  I look at the board, but most other people do the scorecard thing around me with the vertical and the same things the Bead Plate just with their own notes on it.  I believe far greater in the Bead Plate than anything else, for Sections and going with it or against it, etc.)   

Quote from: AsymBacGuy on May 28, 2019, 09:30:39 PM
Nice posts Al.

Now expect some people telling you that such bets have an astoundingly EV negative itlr, or that those long streaks happen very rarely. :-)

If the game isn't beatable mathematically or statistically (and of course it is) this thread should demonstrate that some betting lines may cause the house to get a bit of discomfort, albeit temporary.

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Thanks.  And, you are correct.  What I tried to exemplify is the exploiting of what was being presented.  Yes, these few shoes are huge profitable shoes if played the way most of us think and most of us know what could happened.  And exactly that, it did happen!  I and the others were on it. 

Normally we are not or we hit one or two and then back off.  But this time, that was not the case.  It was many things and one of them was camaraderie and team work. The other thing was playing the shoe as it was being presented, not the interpretation of what I thought I wanted it to be.  If I did that I would have never caught 13 or so chop chops out of 18 or 12 Players straight with positive progressions out of 15 it made, or any of the other numerous fantastic and easy large money wins that were presented.  Worked out super great and super well and instead of saying, OMG I wish I was on that, or OMG we missed such great runs-streaks-chops, etc., we hit them and wagered on the opportunity that presented itself.

All the while adhering to my Levels and Plateaus.  That is the way profit comes and builds when shoes present opportunity.  I posted the proof the best I could.  It takes time and trouble to post this stuff, I do not sell anything or benefit monetarily by posting.  Think about it.

So they do not happen all the time.  And, that is just my point I have tried to make here on this board.  But we saw it and we capitalized on it.  We do not play that way every shoe, not the other day and not tomorrow or in the future.  Each shoe we approach is different unless you are using a mechanical system and a pre-decided upon wager schedule, etc.

Thanks Bally6354.

Defining events that will and do frequently happen is the foremost thing in baccarat a successful player would desire to do when he is actually playing.

Live baccarat versus the test or practice game on your computer is two entirely different things whatsoever.  I would have to liken that comparison to watching a video of cutting a lawn with a lawnmower and the event of actually doing the same thing.  Different and so many things can happen, but coming from the same principle. 

The problem so many do and expect when they study and study and find their 'gig' or 'key triggers' on the internet, is they set a schedule for themselves for that definitive wagering.  Bad, wrong and will not work.  All that way does is provide false positives that fuel your hope and instability within the game, within each shoe. 

Frame-of-Mind with wide vision to be neutral is a huge player's plus and baccarat player's advantage overlooked by the player's ego, desires and greed as well as his desperation to recoup past losses.  The other thing he will offend himself with, is his inability to play all side of baccarat and what the shoe will eventually present.  He narrows his thoughts and perceptions to either one of the two most popular things, which is the shoe being extremely strong or weak.  He fails to admit it does both sides with a bit of the 'middle' mixed in while it does both sides or it does not do either side.

Vision must be neutral without that typical, strong headed narrow focus in wagering for a certain event, that you are counting on coming out as a result of what happened rather than what is happening or what could happen.  The words in bold will make you a lot of profit if you can truly understand them and convert them into actual play.  Otherwise you are doomed within my opinion most every time you play this game.

Traditional Vision:  What you see and interpret from the past which generally overrules anything else.
Traditional Thought:  What you think will happen and suit you best.  More desires than actually getting into any kind of real thought.
Traditional Results:  What had happened.  "Look at what came out", and then basing things on that.
Traditional Realization:  The whole scene in totality with limited sight, again thinking what is happening is going to happen, no matter with the shoe presentment or otherwise. <<<And that is exactly where countless people make their mistakes!

Better Vision:  What can form; weak--strong--alternating--doubles--1's 2's and 3's--streaks, anything and everything, etc.
Better Thought:  Not limited to one or two sets of anything or your own desires.  Most importantly, adding possibilities in the correct way to the thought processing picture.
Better Results:  Looking at them and what the total picture is into sections and events, not into a whole shoe or multiple shoes in the attempt to match statistics and long term results. 
Better Realization:  What has happened, what is yet to happen, what can or can not be 'reasonably' possible, what can happen on a more consistent and regular basis or on an infrequent and limited basis, etc.

The shoe shown in Post #9 here, was a gold mine.  Although 1s and 2s are generally tough shoes to play, this one was not.  After the initial 4 Bankers and 2 chops, we caught the doubles, then after the first chop, we all agreed that the shoe would be strong for 1s and 2s and we switched to chop-chop only.  I would say 2 out of 3 of us playing this shoe, caught and won at least 13 of those chops out fo the section of 9 and 7 with the few doubles or triples in the middle. 

Two of us played that whole middle section as chop-chop and did not get flustered by that middle section.  The other player switched to twos and threes and lost most of his winnings from that shoe with a negative Marty. 

After the second section of chop-chop both of us switched to twos only and we made more than we lost up to the three card 8-9.  We stopped playing the shoe after that when I took that picture.   

Actually all the play was 4 to 5 shoes at one casino and one shoe at another casino on Thursday and Friday nights.

I started out this post for the 3 shoes at the one casino which was the premise of the post.  Our play extended into the next evening as well. 

I did not have the time to post about it, download and resize pictures, etc. until yesterday, Monday. 

The shoes exemplify huge opportunities that presented themselves.  The three of us playing them took well over $200,000.00 from the casinos.  The few other people that popped in from time to time, either lost money or made a few units and moved on. 

Bac is about the whole picture and applying experience and knowledge as well as a great money management method that will allow you to build and increase your wagers, while backing you off and/or stopping you on losses that will happen, IMO.

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"We are clearly playing normal once again and off tilt.  We are all tired though, clearly extremely tired.  We are playing slow, real slow.  We played for the shoe to even out, too strong.  We called it right with the 1s and 2s.  We hit another 3 card 8-9 and we hit that 2nd Fortune 7 where you see my picture was taken.  The dealer was out of chips, everything gone from his rack except some red and one row of white they keep for cocktail waitress change and some people betting white for the dealers, etc.  We all got up and this point and went to cash out.  The floor came over and said go take a break and he would get security there quickly with a fill.  We did and we all went straight to the cashiers cage, 

That shoe produced 16 Bankers when we returned.  We stuck on the Banker side but we could not digest and clearly think and see it.  We wagered a lot smaller than we did with the first 6 Bankers when we wiped out the dealers chip rack."

Here is some more of that shoe with the 15 Player streak and then the Banker streak with the last Banker shown another F-7 win.  That is the point we got up, took a break and cashed out the majority of our win, the dealer also had all his purple, black and green taken by us, as I described above. When we came back tot he table, the Banker produce another 10 straight Banker wins, totally 16.

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Here is the other board that was played just before or after the one I posted a couple posts ago.  Both shoes had 5 F-7s in them.  Like I wrote about numerous times and challenged and ridiculed, I go by my first F-7 within the first 10 hands or if not appearing, then 13 to 17 is the advantaged play. 

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I posted one of the pictures out of order with the F-7 being paid to my spot.  Like I said, too time consuming to post all this material! 

The one with the $50 F-7 is a dup picture of the hand after it won, just showing the win money pushed to my spot #5. 

I found 3 out of the 5 pictures of the F-7s I hit that shoe, but there was 4 with the third card being a 4 out of the 5 F7s within that one shoe. 

And here is another shoe.  The one that floored us.  5 Fortune 7 once again.  Four of them with the third card for the Banker being a 4.  WOW!  Never saw that before.  The winning card for a bonus wager 4 times in a row out of 5, the same number and being a 4 to boot for the 4 times!  WOW.  Here are at least three pictures of it along with the board. 

I will not post these many pictures and explanations in the future because of the lack of interest and concern and related negativity from members.  IMO, most of you have no idea how to capitalize on the great opportunities that are there at the casino these days. 

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Being paid to my spot:

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H-Money sitting in a few hands, just passing by the casino but had to run his family waiting to go somewhere out of state for the holidays.  He won a quick $4,500.00 or so in a few hands.  Here:

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Here is another one with a 4 for the 3rd Banker card to win another F-7 wager.  Table max on it is $100.00, i wagered $95.00 and $5.00 for the dealer so the dealer gets $205.00.  There was some extremely happy dealers those nights and they do take care of us when we need something or start the tilt stuff.  $200.00 off to the right side for the dealer and mine is stack up, $3,800.00.

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Like I said, 4 out of the 5 F-7s this shoe were with the third card being a 4.  Here is the 3rd one, i can not find the picture of the 4th one, I think i must have text it to someone and took it our of my gallery, i do not have the time to go find it.  But I will post this one and the board to shoe you another shoe with 5 F-7s like I said form the other night.  There were two shoes with 5 F-7s within the few we played. 

Here is another F7 within that shoe:
 

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Here is a picture of the board after the 5th F7:

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Now we are back at the casino with the Bad Beat EZ Bac game.  Not much sleep.  The Asian guy got his winnings back and the Asian girl is ready to go once again.  It is late like midnight.  We said that we would play a couple hours max.  But we are slow, real slow, it is just the 3 of us and the casino is pretty quite, most people waiting for Sunday and Monday but we all hate to play the holidays as most people just get sucked in, over and over.  We are all up a considerable amount of win money and we all know each other.  We know each others weaknesses and strengths with the game.

So we are back at the Bad Beat Bac game now.  We start the shoe.  The Asian guy will not bet, he waits and waits.  The Asian lady and myself are wagering and deciding on the chop only.  We hit the first 6 and lost to the first 2nd line hit, which was the Banker as you can see. 

I like the F-7 in the first 10 hands and if not in the first 10, I like the 13th to 17th hand as I have previously wrote about.  So, we stick on Banker and the Asian guy now jumps in on Banker as well.  We hit the 8th, 10th, 11th, 12th, 13th and 14th hands which are all Bankers.  We get to the 17th hand and I am telling them F-7.  I feel it and sure enough it comes.  We all had $75 to $100 on the F-7.  We just hit all the Bankers, we are feeling it.   Please note the 4 naturals for the Bankers and when those naturals came out. 

We stick on Banker and lose the next one when it cuts to Player with a Natural and then we win the Banker once more.  We are hell bent like stupid puppy dogs chasing a dog biscuit held by its owner in circles!  We all said heavy Banker, Banker by far and large.  We lost the clear pattern of the exact match to the Bankers 4 recent 4 naturals with the 3 in a row for the mini bank streak.  We lost every hand with the natural Player wins.  We were clearly going on tilt!  We could not see it or feel it.

Even a dealer told us to stop playing, in fact he pleaded with us.  Because we take care of the dealers with lots of side wagers, especially on the F-7s and we were hitting them and the keep their tips/wagers, so $200 and $400 times 2 or 3 at a clip is huge money to the dealers.

We are hell bent on the Bankers making a huge comeback and we frustrate ourselves.  Then we all go towards tilt and we swear the Banker is going to be strong and dominate.  We wager heavy on Banker and then the Naturals for Players come out in the same exact order to match those for the Banker that happened a few hands earlier.  We are all clearly leaning towards going on tilt!  We are mad and we are on the wrong path! 

We stop the game, we look at the board, we talk about the numbers, we point and talk about the matching of naturals and all that.  We are either going to smack the heck out of the casino or lose all our win money.  We look at each other, we high five, we reinforce ourselves and we go get something to drink.  The dealer assures us they will went for us to get back, even if someone else sits down, they will make them wait for us. 

We went to the self serve drink area and we talked away from the table.  The Asian lady and myself said Players wagering when we go back.  The Asian guy was like no, Bankers.  We talked and talked.  The Asian guy agreed to wager Players as well.  No one against each other, just play together. 

We got back to the table and we all went Players with Panda 8s and F-7 wagers as well as 3 card 8-9 wagers and the Asian lady and I was also on the Any Natural 9/8 wager bonus wagers. 

Here is what happened:

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So we hit 12 Players along with one Panda 8 within that streak as well.  Still low ties, another clear indicator that bonuses happen as well as strong/sticking patterns/trends.  Again, I have wrote about all this in the past which most of you highly doubt and continually challenge and label as sheer guessing games.  But in reality, it is not.  It is opportunity that presents itself and opportunity that is capitalized on by those with non medicinal wagering beliefs. 

We are clearly playing normal once again and off tilt.  We are all tired though, clearly extremely tired.  We are playing slow, real slow.  We played for the shoe to even out, too strong.  We called it right with the 1s and 2s.  We hit another 3 card 8-9 and we hit that 2nd Fortune 7 where you see my picture was taken.  The dealer was out of chips, everything gone from his rack except some red and one row of white they keep for cocktail waitress change and some people betting white for the dealers, etc.  We all got up and this point and went to cash out.  The floor came over and said go take a break and he would get security there quickly with a fill.  We did and we all went straight to the cashiers cage, 

That shoe produced 16 Bankers when we returned.  We stuck on the Banker side but we could not digest and clearly think and see it.  We wagered a lot smaller than we did with the first 6 Bankers when we wiped out the dealers chip rack. 

We played one more shoe.  Like I said we were dead tired, real tired and past two days without more than 1 hour, maybe 2 hours of sleep.  We all own business several hours from this casino and we all needed to be somewhere in a few hours.

Here are some pictures from that shoe as well: 

Here is a Nat 9 over a Nat 8 within that Players streak, yes i know it looks like I was on Banker, but no---the dealer just paid me and i puled my wager down which was within the Players wagering box of course, you are seeing the win paid out and place above my wager I pulled down.  I did not think it was going to do that and I wagered the $100.00 off to the side the dealer had to spread out as a tip for the dealer.  In the dealers hand is the Asian guys win waiting to be passed to him which the guy put a quarter out for the dealer, so that is the red chips in the dealers hand, just when there is a lot of dealers wagers out there, they need to wait for the floor to say okay before paying, he paid mine then the floor turned around to take care of something else. 

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Setting myself up with some red for the bonus bets and some green too.  I play the bonus wagers the majority of the times with win money, not risk money.  I set aside a certain amount for numerous chances.  It is part of my money management method.  It is real, this is reality.  Sorry guys to bust your mathematical and formula efforts of the grind.  I play to smack the casino and we do more than we lose.

This is extremely time consuming to post and downloads pictures and once again, I feel it is all a waste of time.  But I felt the need to do it this once because of all the rude and obnoxious comments by the haters and the players that post their negative rubbish. While they demean, humiliate and chastise my previous posts and explanations, etc.  The real protocol to how to play baccarat, IMO.

Like I said, a winning Players wager and putting it aside for upcoming F-7s and three card 8-9s, etc.:

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Then we took a ride and switched casino for a few hours.  We walked into a new gold mine.  We saw it and we saw it clearly.  Here is the board we walked in on hand 44 and we finished right after the 11th Player win. 

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The one Banker came out after the 4 naturals 9s straight in a row for the Players.  The one Banker was formed from the Player having 5 and the Banker 0.  Player pulls a 5 and the Banker pulls an Ace.  Player fizzles with everyone pressing and wagering heavy on the Players side.  We went on the Banker side after that had happened and of course it was another Player.  We stuck on Banker side and went heavy.  Banker came out.  We stuck on the Banker.  The a natural Banker and then a 9/9 tie.   My buddy was hell bent on playing the chop like the while table was.  I told him no and i pushed his bet down.  I told him stay on Banker do not switch it up.  The whole table, better than 10 players all heavy on the Players, every single one of them.  Every hand saying, I cannot believe it and getting themselves all flustered and really mad, convincing themselves they had it all figured out.  The four natural Banker hands were all natural 8s.  We lost the last one with the Natural for the Player side coming out.  Then a Natural for the Banker.  At this point everyone was 100% convinced of Banker streak or at least a few Bankers coming.  I was not, I thought chop or a Player streak of 6 or 7 maybe 8. 

We both wagered heavy on the Players side and it stuck as you well see.  Every hand not a natural was beating the Banker with a 3rd card addition to 8 or 9 and if the Banker drew, with a reduction to 0 or near 0.  We hit them all and lost only the last one.  While almost everyone doubled and Marty galore almost every wager hoping to change the shoe.  LOL! 

You cannot fight what is coming out and presented.  Rule number 1.

As soon as the one Banker came out, I took my win and had to yell at my buddy and force him to take his and leave to go cash out.  He wanted to play.  This is the Asian guy from the other casino that lost all his winnings because  of his greed and stupidity.  He got back all his win with the past 10 hands or so. 

Cashing out $6,500.00 instead of keeping it on the table in temptation and playing bigger and bigger and larger and larger and getting sucked in!  I have wrote about this and this is adhering to my Levels and Plateaus. 

All part of my money management method that works and works well!  (Since I have been chastised and ridiculed with writing fiction and telling stories by a few on here as well as the other boards, I thought of documenting some of my play with some pictures, that is what you are seeing).

One of the Asian guys whom is a pretty big player won all kinds of money and got sucked in with continuous large bets and lost it all while we were all winning, he just played harder and harder and lost it all.  While the rest of us just leveled out and maintained our regular plateaus instead of a continual increase. 

I left for a little bit, went to Western Union and sent my family some extra cash, paid my bills, put money orders away and bought my little boy an IPad Pro and a bunch of books he wants for his birthday in July.  Done deal. 

Return to casino and play at my previous level with another buy in. 

Here is the picture of my cash out the first time:

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