Gizmo, 100%, you know--I really do apologize for some of the mean things I pushed your way in the past! 

The following you just wrote is spot on and exactly my frame-of-mind.  Look at the piece I just wrote at maybe the same exact time you were writing this one??

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It's interesting too. If I change numbers to what I think might be the hottest number, or most recent hottest number, I tend to win. If I just select a number randomly and stick with it, I usually get killed. Funny how it represents proof that you can read randomness and do better than if you just use blind statistics to prove ignorance. I guess it's unfortunate that such knowledge exists. Still, I prefer JP's "Up & Pull" MM tactics with just two net wins on even chance bets. Done by a randomness expert that JP method almost never losses. There are so many wins that the occasional losing session is just a small feature that can easily be lived with.
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What I was referring to:

I do have a pretty stead fast rule these days that has been working extremely well--that is to risk my buy-in with 100% attempt and diligence to compile a win to have my 1/3rd M.M.S. kick in and take over the governance of my play, time and wagering, etc.  If I lose it--that is it 99.0 % of the time.  The handful of times I have continued to buy-in only 100% of the time reinforced the losing or cot 'take off' and win, each and every time!  The last one being a $15,000.00 mistake on a certain Friday night!  The past few months, right since the Christmas holidays, I lost outright 7 times.  I pushed 6 times or within a $100.00 each way, evens out for gas, snacks, etc.  I won 14 times, meaning a considerable amount of money, not one or two or three units of $75.00 or $150.00, etc.  Something of a win to me is at least double at the very very minimum, that of my buy-in.  The majority of the times my wins would amount to greater than triplicating that of my buy-in.  That is in the past, not quite 5 months since the New Year. 
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The above was from the piece I wrote in my thread as follows:

https://betselection.cc/baccarat-forum/risk-everyday-bankrollbuy-in/msg63076/#msg63076

Reply #1.  Thanks.

No arguments, I admit--you win, perfect!  Carry on.  Cheers!  Have a nice day. 

Quote from: Xander on May 22, 2018, 08:19:13 PM
I'm sorry, but this simply is not true.  The house edge doesn't care about your emotions, desires or thoughts.  Like it or not, in the long term you can not win or lose at a rate that exceeds the house edge.

In order to remain a consistent winner over a long period of time, you must have an edge over the game, and unfortunately discipline doesn't provide it.

You talk silly backwards math/stat lingo.  That is a great fit in over at beat the casino guaranteed for only $51.69 a month, etc., etc.  I know people, plenty of them that lost at far greater than the house advantage, like 100% of the time, because  they stay until they lose it all, each and every time.  Smart?  Nope!  Reality?  Yes.  Period.  Done.

Quote from: AsymBacGuy on May 22, 2018, 02:40:28 AM
Itlr, you can't win at a negative edge game no matter what, you can just diliute the inevitable risk of ruin at best.

If someone would think otherwise, he/she could present his/her work to the scientific world, maybe trying to get the Nobel prize worth millions.

The only way to demonstrate that some EV- independent games are beatable is presenting exhaustive studies that in some speicific spots unrandomness prevail to the randomness.

as. 
     

ASYM, you are so very right, players cannot win on a continuous basis and on a repetitive schedule the game of baccarat.  But the real smart ones do quite well at it because  they curtail their emotions, schedules and beliefs. 

Opposite prevails at times, following at others.  A combination of everything in between during and after as well!  People perpetrate thousands of misnomers regarding winning at baccarat and it makes good copy most of the time.  People challenge and people agree, people disagree.  Meanings are lost and yet--the game has much better odds than most all others--just people really abuse their 'sections' and fail to recognize what is reasonable and actually as stupid as it sounds, what actually does win and with occasional presentment.  But, they have to and need to turn those infrequent winning presentments into gospel, triggers and math/science.  They all attempt to deduce down everything in baccarat to math and science because they are so smart, intelligent and admit--the rules of the game beating you due to its consistency and not yours--does not apply to them.  LOL, LOL to the MAX!

Hype--emotions and desires set in and take over, plain and simple.  Doom and loss follows, 99.99% of the time.  Except to you that player that knows what wagers will win and why they will win, etc.,--you because  you are exempt due to your intelligence.

What we are told or wind up believing, is what our friends, co-players and teachers tell us about the game.  Those players that learn on their own do get influenced over others, but only the visual aspect of it all--and that is strong.  When you sit there and observe another player turn $500.00 or $1,000.00 into $20,000.00 and he wholeheartedly believes it was math and science combined, and maybe it was that day--unlike the previous 8 or 15 times you did not witness that he wagered the same exact trends/patterns/numbers/results, etc., and totally lost.  Lost $24,000.00 or $34,000.00, to make the $20,000.00 he just won.  He is hyped, excited, in another world, boasting and you are eating it all up, hook-line and sinker as they say.  Earmarked your next 8 to 10 attempts to pretty much copy what that player just 'proved' worked without doubt, after all--you seen it with your own eyes.

The key is a certain amount of win that is multiplied many times from the risk amount of money spent to win.  It might be three wins out of 10 for 3 weeks where the win amount was greater than the risk amount lost at others.  Then 4 wins out of the next 10 the following month.  Then out of the 3rd set of 10, the preceding month, 3 additional wins that totaled far superior to the 7 he lost when added up.  Then back to 2 out of 10 wins.  You can and will stay ahead of the game by far, if only you can truly control, recognize and be fully 100% consciousness of your emotions, desires, visions and thoughts.  For, it is those that change your way of thinking and your actual great beliefs beyond all other things when playing baccarat.  You are not stupid or unintelligent or even have no sign of the game, you just let your mind and feeling walk away and separate themselves from you and your frame-of-mind is all. 

But everything you read on the internet is build, build, build and grow greater bankrolls, wagers and proceed to larger and larger plateaus.  More and more.  Simply setting each up to fail, and that is exactly what happens, time after time, after time after time.  The highest majority of the time, the casino doesn't have anything to actually do with your losing, it is yourself and your frame-of-mind that causes your baccarat loss, continued loss and future losses. 

It is so elementary and so basic, you are missing it.  You concentrate on the game and you each believe you are the country's best gambler, you fail to see the most elementary mistakes you commit and bring on to yourself, time after time. 

Maybe you are admiring the wrong things, the wrong type of people and fallen prey to the aura of the surroundings?  Put extra emphasis into staying completely conscious, maintaining complete reality and experience while leaving all false, all erotic, all taboo, all hype, and all those false positives checked at the door  you enter the casino.  Maybe, just maybe that is what you really need instead of searching for the wager that just won Billy Bob $20k because  he continued to wager for the 2nd hand after the double repeat that fell off after the natural cut to the opposite side, etc.?

Quote from: Mike on May 19, 2018, 08:47:47 AM
Gizmo,

You've been posting these absurd ideas for over a decade. It's simple; in order to win consistently you need to overcome the house edge and you can't do it by guessing or "reading randomness", which is an oxymoron.

Learn basic probability, try to understand the logic of why you can't beat negative expectation games by using patterns, trends, or progressions. Break free of the fallacies and start a new life. 

STOP the degrading and attempt at humiliation! IT IS  UNWARRANTED and needless.  Ref:  "Break free of the fallacies and start a new life."

Math Made Easy:

Hey, it is all in the numbers ?definitive and easy pickings, no?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wkr_vf18cw

And then on the other hand we have thinking, which is not always as clear cut as interpretation and perception, but kind of like baccarat, huh?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYOoWyoRDPY

And that is why I defined, detailed, and explained how my, 'Resetting & Refreshing' can and will help the serious player with his 'wins' as well as his 'losses'. Actual tangible help with governed encouragement or stopping points.

 

 

A math guy and an open minded thinker:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFuniFSP2fo

Did 'Inspector Callahan' learn his foresight and knowledge that fosters positive responses in the police academy or from a text book, such as, "...........Tell them that Inspector Callahan thinks there is a 211 in progress at the bank"............................

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqgGihIfq5U


Did 'Player 2' at the baccarat table learn his foresight and knowledge that foster positive wagering betselections based upon shoe presentments when certain situations have 'waves' and 'opportunities' being presented in clusters and sections, according to math and statistical results of 10,000,000 shoes or 80,000,000 hands dealt in the classroom or from testing on the computer, when it was all 1's and 2's and a 3 repeat thrown in for good measure--just before the second half of the shoe turned to all 5's through 8's repeating and the first streak of Bankers that produced 3 F-7's contained within it.  'Player 2' pumped it up and profited large and continually as compared to every other player citing, 'it has to cut back and stop because  of the statistical history showing 80% of the time it will', or something real close to that anyway.

 

From my OP here in this thread:

"The issue of subjective and objective comes up here to really understand how a player's mind enters and goes along with his decision making process.  But that gets a bit complicated and off-track of gambling itself.  If you do not understand some basic psychology, you cannot and will not understand how you are influenced by problems, results, positive reinforcement or false positive reinforcement in gambling and baccarat."

BTW, I have read extensively, from some of the greatest and most achieved mathematical minds that have published some of the best and most comprehensions books on gambling, mathematics, statistical application of math, probabilities and theories. 

Here is an extremely short clip art I put together from on e of the greatest minds there is in math application theory and statistics and relating to gambling.  I will leave it rest at this is you can read for 2 min's and summarize. 

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I absolutely love, just adore the stuff out of the defensive argument thrown by each and every member here as well as on all the other boards about the great wins by all the great pro players, the very few there actually are, are all based and won by strictly mathematical wizards, AKA--'Math AP Players'.  But, what lacks is their answers to the following:  "Why don't they do it all the time, why only once in a while"?

Oh, let me answer.  How about we go with, 'they don't want to get banned'.  Okay.  Case closed, LOL. 

And for those of you that do not agree with that answer, how about we go with, 'those AP players rather not have too much money'.  Okay, once again, case closed.  LOL-again.   

"Oh yeah, and by the way give your reasoning how Don Johnson and Phil Ivey and all the rest of the great wins by famous or infamous gamblers are all based on math, statisticals and their special knowledge of mathematical secrets!  It makes great press copy in the media and gives them something to say, rather than, "I just hit a great streak—saw the opportunity because of 'so and so' and ride it until I started to fall off", etc.  They say, "I accomplished it because of learning the wizard's or the doctor's classroom teaching through years and years of study, I applied the math and I profited last night by millions of dollars", etc.  Here is the absolute truth to those people and their opportunities that they captured and exploited.  Opps, I just said the reason!  Anyway, if they really had that holy-grail through math and stats, they would apply it every day or once a week and win that same huge amount or greater amounts over and over.  Sorry that statement I just wrote is concrete reality, but go ahead and change it."

With great emphasis on this:

"When you stray too far into one perspective or another, making decisions from only one perspective in such a way that those same decisions would seem irrational when considered through the opposite lens, you're at risk of making serious errors. You could be basing those decisions on completely erroneous assumptions about how reality actually works, and hence you're at risk of experiencing massive failure with such a mono-lens approach unless you happen to guess right and be perfectly consistent."

Vision, Consciousness & Recognition of Funds

Whether it is bank roll or buy-in or win funds.  Does not matter.  A portion of players will handle their funds extremely consciously, very intelligent and with the knowledge and constant recognition, that the funds they possess, on the table, in their pocket, or those that are available,  should not govern them in their decision making processes, whatever that may be.  Pretty much straight forward and simplistic to the easiest ABCs and Gambling 101s.

However, I have asked many people that do play baccarat, as to their views and thoughts on win money in particular.  The rest the money situation and how each thinks about it, really is too varied and too complicated to understand without knowing those people 24/7 for huge amounts of time.  So, here it is from the horse's mouths as the saying goes.

I asked H-Money the other night.  Me: Say you won $100,000.00 from the casino and left with it, went and purchased two cars for $50,000.00 each.  Then you went back next week to any casino and lost your check of $1,500.00 that night.  Would you be down $1,500.00 or what?  H-Money:  No, I would be not be down, I would be up $98,500.00 if that was my second time gambling. 

He further went on to say, You have to keep a running total in your head, as to the amount you are up or down, because you are free to play if you are still and you have to be careful and play more cautiously if you are down until you get up again. 

WOW!  I actually heard almost that same thing from another two baccarat players that played the game for a couple of years or so.  Interesting!  I do believe that money management systems and thought/beliefs about win money, go hand in hand with how a player thinks, cashes out and gauges his play/session times at the table. 

I have definitely concluded for myself that refreshing and resetting during the sessions as well as at the end of the session, no matter the outcome (win or lose) is vitally important and in your favor tremendously. 

No resetting and refreshing is extremely dangerous;
Viewing wins as not yours is extremely dangerous;
Viewing cash out as up money is extremely dangerous;
Running tab---of wins and losses and gauging yourself according to same, is extremely dangerous.

The above leads most players to, have to make; have to earn; pressure; false positive reinforcements; forced sessions to produce; visions that cannot be seen or realized are even happening in front of them; possible reinforcing of negativity or caution that hampers their winning ability. 

Vision—Consciousness & Recognition of Funds

Whether it is bank roll or buy-in or win funds.  Does not matter.  A portion of players will handle their funds extremely consciously, very intelligent and with the knowledge and constant recognition, that the funds they possess, on the table, in their pocket, or those that are available,  should not govern them in their decision making processes, whatever that may be.  Pretty much straight forward and simplistic to the easiest ABC's and Gambling 101's.

However, I have asked many people that do play baccarat, as to their views and thoughts on 'win' money in particular.  The rest the money situation and how each thinks about it, really is too varied and too complicated to understand without knowing those people 24/7 for huge amounts of time.  So, here it is from the 'horses' mouths as the saying goes.

I asked H-Money the other night.  Me: "Say you won $100,000.00 from the casino and left with it, went and purchased two cars for $50,000.00 each.  Then you went back next week to any casino and lost your payroll check of $1,500.00 that night.  Would you be down $1,500.00 or what?"  H-Money:  "No, I would be up $98,500.00 if that was my second time gambling". 

He further went on to say, "You have to keep a running total in your head, as to the amount you are up or down, because you are free to play if you are still and you have to be careful and play more cautiously if you are down until you get up again." 

WOW!  I actually heard almost that same thing from another two baccarat players that played the game for a couple of years or so.  Interesting!  I do believe that money management systems and thought/beliefs about 'win' money, go hand in hand—with how a player thinks, cashes out and gauges his play/session times at the table. 

I have definitely concluded for myself that 'refreshing and resetting' during the sessions as well as at the end of the session, no matter the outcome (win or lose) is vitally important and in your favor tremendously. 

No 'resetting and refreshing' is extremely dangerous;
Viewing 'wins' as not yours is extremely dangerous;
Viewing 'cash outs' as 'up' money is extremely dangerous;
Running tab---of wins and losses and gauging yourself according to same, is extremely dangerous.

The above leads most players to, 'have to make'; 'have to earn'; 'pressure'; false positive reinforcements'; 'forced sessions to produce'; 'visions that cannot be seen or realized are even happening in front of them'; 'possible reinforcing of negativity or caution that hampers their winning ability'.