Quote from: greenguy on May 31, 2018, 08:29:38 AM
Sometimes lots of things work really well, and then sometimes they don't. The opposite is also true.

Gizmotron seems to focus and engage his free spirited play on this premise. I really don't see why that's so hard for people to accept.

Whoever else has an interest in playing the game this way might very well pay for some form of tuition to do so.

I'm fine with that, why aren't you?

Gizmo, when you opened your school, how much money in total did you earn from your students?

Let me put forward some perspective before you answer. A little while back I bought ten toy marbles form an auction house for $40. That's right, ten. I sold those ten toy marbles on ebay for $12,000.

What's my point? Give me a break, who should really care if some of us guys make a bit of dough from our expertise, whatever that may be?

Somebody, quite a few somebodies really wanted my marbles, so they paid the price.

Absolutely spot-on, IMO.  Thanks for the great comment!  Seriously, Glen.

Favorable opportunities, the key in all business and gambling endeavors, IMO and I believe that of all expereinced players, no matter if they admit it or not.  If not, why risk the capital?? 

Variance acts in short term seem rare--might be--yes, but they will be there in one form--fashion--or another.  They have to.  It is just not the prespective of most gamblers I believe.  Sure, a 45 hand or so first half of a shoe without ties and F-7's and P-8's seems great, will 4 or 5 F-7's and 4 P-8's and 10 ties come within the next 20 hands??  We all know how most shoes finish.  The problem is being within those shoes and comparing all losses and wins to previous events and experiences and then you convince yourself, it is just not going to happen.  Then when you do stop attempting---then they come out.  Then it is too late and you are ultra frustrated and emotionally off balance. 

Once you are 'off-balance' it is not easy to play the right way with clear vision and complete neutrality. 

And also, resetting and refreshing has a lot more to do than just charting, when I say resetting and refreshing, it is meant to mean an entire neutral and clear vision, nothing to do with charting and starting over, etc., or anythign along those lines.  Clearly a huge game changer as I proved, but misunderstood by most all.  Re-charting has no control or balance in your play except for controlling a possible loss.

And also those that really think M.M.S. are flat betting with a pull here and there, etc., are not really into M.M.S. at all.  I say risk the buy-in and get some win.  Then your M.M.S. has to govern your play and if you can win, your M.M.S. will allow you to continue and when you lose it will run you out of money after (and only after) you already got your buy-in back and a win.  There is a huge difference about what someone is saying here with a simple MMS.  When I properly employ my MMS I am able to have the power and the funds to risk, but the best part of it is that I already recouped my buy-in and have a 2 or 3 time buy-in capital risk profit.  I guess I just go for the bigger and the clusters rather than the few units here and there.  Why?  because  of the fact of being 'grinded down'.  Once I found the proper buy-in risk amount and had a mind set that, that was pure risk with no stop loss or win stop and then employed the MMS, it was like day and night. 

The whole key to it is the multiples of what I win, when I win and the ability to continually reset and refresh without preference or consious, etc. 

Quote from: AsymBacGuy on May 26, 2018, 11:34:41 PM
He is absolutely right thanks to long term baccarat findings:

1- differently to roulette outcomes, itlr baccarat results will produce a far less amount of long streaks than singles or doubles or triples.

2- it's a proven fact that any bac hand will feature a slight propensity to get the opposite hand just occurred (M. Shackleford and some others)

Now, only a fool would think that applying this strategy every shoe will provide profitable situations no matter what.

S.hit happens rarely or in clusters.

as.

ASYM,  strong or weak, Streakinv or Antistreak, whatever you want to call it, either way is a strategy either way is playing to match what the presentments are, it doesn't matter it just depends on your vision, frame of mind,  that's what I've been trying to express in my numerous detailed threads. Some people call it streaks and some people call it anti streaks, it's a description but either way is very viable and either way is very winnable as well it's very losable.

But do one thing all the time and nothing is more guaranteed to lose than just that.

Gizmo, 100%, you know--I really do apologize for some of the mean things I pushed your way in the past! 

The following you just wrote is spot on and exactly my frame-of-mind.  Look at the piece I just wrote at maybe the same exact time you were writing this one??

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It's interesting too. If I change numbers to what I think might be the hottest number, or most recent hottest number, I tend to win. If I just select a number randomly and stick with it, I usually get killed. Funny how it represents proof that you can read randomness and do better than if you just use blind statistics to prove ignorance. I guess it's unfortunate that such knowledge exists. Still, I prefer JP's "Up & Pull" MM tactics with just two net wins on even chance bets. Done by a randomness expert that JP method almost never losses. There are so many wins that the occasional losing session is just a small feature that can easily be lived with.
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What I was referring to:

I do have a pretty stead fast rule these days that has been working extremely well--that is to risk my buy-in with 100% attempt and diligence to compile a win to have my 1/3rd M.M.S. kick in and take over the governance of my play, time and wagering, etc.  If I lose it--that is it 99.0 % of the time.  The handful of times I have continued to buy-in only 100% of the time reinforced the losing or cot 'take off' and win, each and every time!  The last one being a $15,000.00 mistake on a certain Friday night!  The past few months, right since the Christmas holidays, I lost outright 7 times.  I pushed 6 times or within a $100.00 each way, evens out for gas, snacks, etc.  I won 14 times, meaning a considerable amount of money, not one or two or three units of $75.00 or $150.00, etc.  Something of a win to me is at least double at the very very minimum, that of my buy-in.  The majority of the times my wins would amount to greater than triplicating that of my buy-in.  That is in the past, not quite 5 months since the New Year. 
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The above was from the piece I wrote in my thread as follows:

https://betselection.cc/baccarat-forum/risk-everyday-bankrollbuy-in/msg63076/#msg63076

Reply #1.  Thanks.

No arguments, I admit--you win, perfect!  Carry on.  Cheers!  Have a nice day. 

Quote from: Xander on May 22, 2018, 08:19:13 PM
I'm sorry, but this simply is not true.  The house edge doesn't care about your emotions, desires or thoughts.  Like it or not, in the long term you can not win or lose at a rate that exceeds the house edge.

In order to remain a consistent winner over a long period of time, you must have an edge over the game, and unfortunately discipline doesn't provide it.

You talk silly backwards math/stat lingo.  That is a great fit in over at beat the casino guaranteed for only $51.69 a month, etc., etc.  I know people, plenty of them that lost at far greater than the house advantage, like 100% of the time, because  they stay until they lose it all, each and every time.  Smart?  Nope!  Reality?  Yes.  Period.  Done.

Quote from: AsymBacGuy on May 22, 2018, 02:40:28 AM
Itlr, you can't win at a negative edge game no matter what, you can just diliute the inevitable risk of ruin at best.

If someone would think otherwise, he/she could present his/her work to the scientific world, maybe trying to get the Nobel prize worth millions.

The only way to demonstrate that some EV- independent games are beatable is presenting exhaustive studies that in some speicific spots unrandomness prevail to the randomness.

as. 
     

ASYM, you are so very right, players cannot win on a continuous basis and on a repetitive schedule the game of baccarat.  But the real smart ones do quite well at it because  they curtail their emotions, schedules and beliefs. 

Opposite prevails at times, following at others.  A combination of everything in between during and after as well!  People perpetrate thousands of misnomers regarding winning at baccarat and it makes good copy most of the time.  People challenge and people agree, people disagree.  Meanings are lost and yet--the game has much better odds than most all others--just people really abuse their 'sections' and fail to recognize what is reasonable and actually as stupid as it sounds, what actually does win and with occasional presentment.  But, they have to and need to turn those infrequent winning presentments into gospel, triggers and math/science.  They all attempt to deduce down everything in baccarat to math and science because they are so smart, intelligent and admit--the rules of the game beating you due to its consistency and not yours--does not apply to them.  LOL, LOL to the MAX!

Hype--emotions and desires set in and take over, plain and simple.  Doom and loss follows, 99.99% of the time.  Except to you that player that knows what wagers will win and why they will win, etc.,--you because  you are exempt due to your intelligence.

What we are told or wind up believing, is what our friends, co-players and teachers tell us about the game.  Those players that learn on their own do get influenced over others, but only the visual aspect of it all--and that is strong.  When you sit there and observe another player turn $500.00 or $1,000.00 into $20,000.00 and he wholeheartedly believes it was math and science combined, and maybe it was that day--unlike the previous 8 or 15 times you did not witness that he wagered the same exact trends/patterns/numbers/results, etc., and totally lost.  Lost $24,000.00 or $34,000.00, to make the $20,000.00 he just won.  He is hyped, excited, in another world, boasting and you are eating it all up, hook-line and sinker as they say.  Earmarked your next 8 to 10 attempts to pretty much copy what that player just 'proved' worked without doubt, after all--you seen it with your own eyes.

The key is a certain amount of win that is multiplied many times from the risk amount of money spent to win.  It might be three wins out of 10 for 3 weeks where the win amount was greater than the risk amount lost at others.  Then 4 wins out of the next 10 the following month.  Then out of the 3rd set of 10, the preceding month, 3 additional wins that totaled far superior to the 7 he lost when added up.  Then back to 2 out of 10 wins.  You can and will stay ahead of the game by far, if only you can truly control, recognize and be fully 100% consciousness of your emotions, desires, visions and thoughts.  For, it is those that change your way of thinking and your actual great beliefs beyond all other things when playing baccarat.  You are not stupid or unintelligent or even have no sign of the game, you just let your mind and feeling walk away and separate themselves from you and your frame-of-mind is all. 

But everything you read on the internet is build, build, build and grow greater bankrolls, wagers and proceed to larger and larger plateaus.  More and more.  Simply setting each up to fail, and that is exactly what happens, time after time, after time after time.  The highest majority of the time, the casino doesn't have anything to actually do with your losing, it is yourself and your frame-of-mind that causes your baccarat loss, continued loss and future losses. 

It is so elementary and so basic, you are missing it.  You concentrate on the game and you each believe you are the country's best gambler, you fail to see the most elementary mistakes you commit and bring on to yourself, time after time. 

Maybe you are admiring the wrong things, the wrong type of people and fallen prey to the aura of the surroundings?  Put extra emphasis into staying completely conscious, maintaining complete reality and experience while leaving all false, all erotic, all taboo, all hype, and all those false positives checked at the door  you enter the casino.  Maybe, just maybe that is what you really need instead of searching for the wager that just won Billy Bob $20k because  he continued to wager for the 2nd hand after the double repeat that fell off after the natural cut to the opposite side, etc.?

Quote from: Mike on May 19, 2018, 08:47:47 AM
Gizmo,

You've been posting these absurd ideas for over a decade. It's simple; in order to win consistently you need to overcome the house edge and you can't do it by guessing or "reading randomness", which is an oxymoron.

Learn basic probability, try to understand the logic of why you can't beat negative expectation games by using patterns, trends, or progressions. Break free of the fallacies and start a new life. 

STOP the degrading and attempt at humiliation! IT IS  UNWARRANTED and needless.  Ref:  "Break free of the fallacies and start a new life."

Math Made Easy:

Hey, it is all in the numbers ?definitive and easy pickings, no?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wkr_vf18cw

And then on the other hand we have thinking, which is not always as clear cut as interpretation and perception, but kind of like baccarat, huh?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYOoWyoRDPY

And that is why I defined, detailed, and explained how my, 'Resetting & Refreshing' can and will help the serious player with his 'wins' as well as his 'losses'. Actual tangible help with governed encouragement or stopping points.

 

 

A math guy and an open minded thinker:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFuniFSP2fo

Did 'Inspector Callahan' learn his foresight and knowledge that fosters positive responses in the police academy or from a text book, such as, "...........Tell them that Inspector Callahan thinks there is a 211 in progress at the bank"............................

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqgGihIfq5U


Did 'Player 2' at the baccarat table learn his foresight and knowledge that foster positive wagering betselections based upon shoe presentments when certain situations have 'waves' and 'opportunities' being presented in clusters and sections, according to math and statistical results of 10,000,000 shoes or 80,000,000 hands dealt in the classroom or from testing on the computer, when it was all 1's and 2's and a 3 repeat thrown in for good measure--just before the second half of the shoe turned to all 5's through 8's repeating and the first streak of Bankers that produced 3 F-7's contained within it.  'Player 2' pumped it up and profited large and continually as compared to every other player citing, 'it has to cut back and stop because  of the statistical history showing 80% of the time it will', or something real close to that anyway.

 

From my OP here in this thread:

"The issue of subjective and objective comes up here to really understand how a player's mind enters and goes along with his decision making process.  But that gets a bit complicated and off-track of gambling itself.  If you do not understand some basic psychology, you cannot and will not understand how you are influenced by problems, results, positive reinforcement or false positive reinforcement in gambling and baccarat."

BTW, I have read extensively, from some of the greatest and most achieved mathematical minds that have published some of the best and most comprehensions books on gambling, mathematics, statistical application of math, probabilities and theories. 

Here is an extremely short clip art I put together from on e of the greatest minds there is in math application theory and statistics and relating to gambling.  I will leave it rest at this is you can read for 2 min's and summarize. 

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I absolutely love, just adore the stuff out of the defensive argument thrown by each and every member here as well as on all the other boards about the great wins by all the great pro players, the very few there actually are, are all based and won by strictly mathematical wizards, AKA--'Math AP Players'.  But, what lacks is their answers to the following:  "Why don't they do it all the time, why only once in a while"?

Oh, let me answer.  How about we go with, 'they don't want to get banned'.  Okay.  Case closed, LOL. 

And for those of you that do not agree with that answer, how about we go with, 'those AP players rather not have too much money'.  Okay, once again, case closed.  LOL-again.   

"Oh yeah, and by the way give your reasoning how Don Johnson and Phil Ivey and all the rest of the great wins by famous or infamous gamblers are all based on math, statisticals and their special knowledge of mathematical secrets!  It makes great press copy in the media and gives them something to say, rather than, "I just hit a great streak—saw the opportunity because of 'so and so' and ride it until I started to fall off", etc.  They say, "I accomplished it because of learning the wizard's or the doctor's classroom teaching through years and years of study, I applied the math and I profited last night by millions of dollars", etc.  Here is the absolute truth to those people and their opportunities that they captured and exploited.  Opps, I just said the reason!  Anyway, if they really had that holy-grail through math and stats, they would apply it every day or once a week and win that same huge amount or greater amounts over and over.  Sorry that statement I just wrote is concrete reality, but go ahead and change it."