Quote from: AsymBacGuy on February 28, 2018, 11:49:45 PM

................................ "outcomes and many other situational events that cannot be easily expressed.

You know very well what i'm talking about: following "drivers" who seem to not lose a single hand, shoes containing back to back ties with no end, observing the opportunites of one side  constantly showing 0,1 or 2 initial points, one side always getting a picture as third card and so on.

I'm sure you can add more on that 

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And, that is correct, there are drivers, triggers, repeaters, and many other slang or special terms.  It is all 'reality' and that is what I am writing a piece on now, I just ended Part #1.  I have more to add and will get most of it done today if nothing happens around my office that pulls me away.  These are the events that are in the players favor and gives him tons of opportunities to capitalize on.  I do all the time. 

The problem is, most of the players do not know how to identify them and are weak, greedy and have no patience or vision to separate themselves from gambling disaster and making  good money on the side. 

We have both written about this stuff.

The other problem is others will come on here or other boards and blast me/you for citing the stuff we do as they mix it all with the 'long run' and prove how our numbers do not work.  I never said to go play 80 hands in 6 shoes a day, 7 days a week.  It does not work that way! 

But this is your thread, so carry on. 

Quote from: AsymBacGuy on February 28, 2018, 11:01:23 PM
Hi Al!
I fear that I've badly expressed the concept about "3s": I name 3s as any streak of 3 and higher.


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I understood that.  Possibly I did not detail enough of what I meant/thinking?  It is a difficult game to 'explain' with all the possibilities and combinations of what we all are thinking/trying to express/detail out.

The most=1's (If you are counting the top row/horizontal)
Second most=2's
Next most frequent=3's
The following most frequent=4's
Then =5's
Etc., etc., etc., and so on.

Easy to make 1's and 2's, and 3's and 4's are pretty frequent.  Sometimes, 5's and 6's.  7's and 8's are a bit special, but they come once in a while and sometimes every other shoe or possibly none all night.   A completely different story with 9's and 10's and 11's and 12's, etc.

You might understand what I am thinking??

When we play side-by-side, you might understand more of my way of thinking.

An absolute great book by all means.  Although non-technical, this novel is north of classic!  Highly highly recommend it. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fools_Die

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True, yes, but.....you still do not know when they are coming. 

I will apologize now and I am not attempting to discredit one thing you are saying, not one!  However:

The Parade Stomping on the March of the 1's, 2's and 3's is always there, no matter what, IMO.  And the mafia knew this when they imported this game from Cuba in the 1950's to Las Vegas............................................

"I will win if I wager on what will happen the majority of the times".  Correct!  Yes, absolutely.  Just the only problem is, 'it' has to happen that way while you are there and wagering on it.

I called my friend and he is kind of a math wiz especially with analytical reporting and laboratory stuff that we do in my business.  We use a ton of mathematical things in our 'compound quantitation reports' that are actually similar to 1-10 numbers presented in varying forms according to the laboratory results and how they were achieved, etc.  I asked him, run 8 decks of cards according to baccarat rules 10 million times, and tell me how many times there were runs/streaks of greater than 3 in a row for either the banker or the player.

It came to right at 588,235 times there was 4 or more repeating runs from 4 to over 20 in a repeating stage.  So yes, bottom line—there are far more 1's, 2's and 3's than anything else in baccarat.  To the tune of say just over 1 shoe in 17 will have streaks of 4 or greater if you divide the results equally among the 10 million shoes.  The key thing though, is dividing it equally.  And depending on the cut and the shuffle, the next 10 million shoes will be different.  Etc., and so on.

But, and a huge BUT!!  Those results will be different each time it is run and never (NEVER) equally divide among the series of shoes being played or tested because  the shuffles and cut cards will 100% change those results.  But regardless, you still do not know which shoes will have what, as the next 5 shoes you sit down to gamble, might have a much greater result of 4 or more repeating bankers or players than the next group of 5 shoes which might have virtually all 3's or less.  Etc., etc., etc., and so on with an infinite amount of possible combinations.

And with 9,411,765 times that the 1's, 2's and 3's will be combined in varying stages of presentments when 4's or greater should not be around at all---but just might (?), wagering for the cut to me, IMO, is extremely dangerous.  Unless, you are playing only one or two hands every several months or once a year.

Quote from: wannawin on February 27, 2018, 06:18:48 PM
Which side are you on?

I like both forms and I really like to combine the frequent events from the common game results with the events of a great potential when the signals are appearing . it is not very hard: for example with EC you can bet on the small series with 1,2,4 for many small wins. then when you lose your progression it can be a signal to aim for the long series to win big.

how do you exploit the events of frequent appearance and the events of little appearance but with great profit potential? Thank you.

Both and the absolute realization, either may not (NOT) happen in the session.

I risk my buy-in for the instant session the highest majority of my sessions.

I do not employ a 'stop-loss' or a 'win-stop' other than being governed by my 1/3rd-1/3rd-1/3rd Money Management System when I win and start to accumulate something in the way of win money.

If and when the first 1/3rd of my win money is given back, I will call it a session, and at times (less than 50%) I might use the 2nd 1/3rd for another buy-in, being that I have already replaced my original buy-in, etc.  I have written about this extensively and it is the single biggest positive factor that has allowed me to win more, protect my winnings and always award me the chance to capitalize further without questioning when I should walk away with win money, etc.

And if it gets stronger and stronger, I can play and play and if it turns nasty and ugly, my feelings and desires are 100% controlled by the 1/3rd figure and not being blind-sided by greed and the fallacy I can keep winning.

But I have come to the understanding the small wins are there and available many times, the larger wins can be had as well--although much harder and the ugly times are there as well and it is virtually impossible to do anything positive. 

The only thing I am noticing right now, is failure to print a letter typed, your system is skipping some letters.  Always has in fact.  I do type extremely fast, but even if i do slowly, also skips some?

Yes modification is fixed!

Yes, to a certain point, the system is not self correcting the wrong words or changing them as bad as it was.

It is also not slowing down as bad while typing. 

Let's see what happens. 

Sorry I spoke the truth!  I apologize for NOT naming anyone and I apologize gfor what Gizmotron has done, I take the blame, okay???

Quote from: Gizmotron on February 21, 2018, 02:48:51 PM
OK Tattoo! "The plane boss the plane."


I just named the frog in my pocket Tattoo.


It's too bad you weren't around for Spike. You could of rode in as his savior too.


"For the record I still regard the discussions I had and the experiences I had with the person I dealt with".....(So, I assume the word 'regard' really should be the word 'regret'?) 


," I scammed myself before I disappointed my friend. I found the mistake after I lost his money".   (So, you are saying you feel sorry you hustled the money and never repaid it due to the devastating scamming (which justifies your swindling the cash from another member prior to the defaulting on the repayment with profits arrangement I can only assume you had) of yourself before you ripped off the guy's cash??  Am I correct? 

Lastly, I never did say the subject of my original posting was you, but you immediately came on and confessed, so I will go ahead and ask you this.  Why not practice all that high-tech super secret and seemingly correct roulette info you post  almost every day and just pay the honest sucker back??

Oh one more thing.  Don't you feel awkward to keep posting on the same board your victim also is on??  Just curious  Have a great day!


Why don't you choke on your next donuts.  (And, as well--so nice of you to wish I die from eating donuts!)  Seriously, WOW! 

Quote from: Gizmotron on February 21, 2018, 02:48:51 PM
OK Tattoo! "The plane boss the plane."


I just named the frog in my pocket Tattoo.


It's too bad you weren't around for Spike. You could of rode in as his savior too.


For the record I still regard the discussions I had and the experiences I had with the person I dealt with, which has somehow become your command post concern, those discussions helped me find what I was looking for. We were both discussing the effect gambling has on decision making during a playing session. Since you are such a snoop for having a nose of gambling forums you know that I got caught up in the TurboGenius effect on unlikely to occur sequences. I wrote a computer program that convinced me that these concepts had to win. That it even beat the math. I was 100% sure that it had to work. I scammed myself before I disappointed my friend. I found the mistake after I lost his money. It was my mistake and I had to own the results of it to him. It clearly made him mad. That guy was mad enough to make you his tool. You are such a good tool too. I hope one day I will be able to use your services, because you are a really good internet pest. Why don't you choke on your next donuts. 


Why do you need to control others? Why do you care what other people post on a gambling forum? Why do you post so much in an almost always verbose style? I don't see a lot of sharing ideas here. I just see a lot of lecturing Tattoo.

Mark,

As you so eloquently said, "Why don't you choke on your next donuts.", that will not happen.  All though I am kind of like the guy in this video that went out and bought the donuts for his people, just about the same thing happens around my place about every single day.  And yes, one of the females here (thank god she is about 1 the weight as the one in the video) noentheless, sits there and closes her eyes and licks the icing completely off her donut.  As far as, "Why don't you choke on your next donuts.", that will never happen Mark!

Here watch it:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3sF4LoM52I

Quote from: Gizmotron on February 21, 2018, 02:48:51 PM
OK Tattoo! "The plane boss the plane."


I just named the frog in my pocket Tattoo.


It's too bad you weren't around for Spike. You could of rode in as his savior too.


For the record I still regard the discussions I had and the experiences I had with the person I dealt with, which has somehow become your command post concern, those discussions helped me find what I was looking for. We were both discussing the effect gambling has on decision making during a playing session. Since you are such a snoop for having a nose of gambling forums you know that I got caught up in the TurboGenius effect on unlikely to occur sequences. I wrote a computer program that convinced me that these concepts had to win. That it even beat the math. I was 100% sure that it had to work. I scammed myself before I disappointed my friend. I found the mistake after I lost his money. It was my mistake and I had to own the results of it to him. It clearly made him mad. That guy was mad enough to make you his tool. You are such a good tool too. I hope one day I will be able to use your services, because you are a really good internet pest. Why don't you choke on your next donuts. 


Why do you need to control others? Why do you care what other people post on a gambling forum? Why do you post so much in an almost always verbose style? I don't see a lot of sharing ideas here. I just see a lot of lecturing Tattoo.

LOL.  I never said you.  You said you, please remember that.  I violated nothing--which you are insinuating. 

But, all I will say--is as far as the question you have, "Why do you need to control others?", I found one I dress up in those black leather Sadomasochist harness and male jockstrap, my female partner hands me the whip and holds the ice-cold can of whipped-creme to apply when I am done 'controlling' her in 50 shades of darkness.  Then I get to enjoy that Reddy-Whip with the special cherry that is bright juicy red.  I don't Mark, maybe it is a SoHo or Hell's Kitchen thing from New York City, I don't think they do that in the west coast, they are more into cannabis and taco's there, no?

Sorry, I just don't understand, absolutely no comprehension whatsoever!  I am primarily ON THIS BOARD 'BETSELECTION' although I am on another board or two, one very limited (almost non-participating or extremely small) basis, but on BETSELECTION as my everyday best board forever!  So I do get a wide varied aspect of 'the gambler' and while lots are consumer originated, let's go to Vegas and get drunk and go to a strip bar type of player, there are some serious people on the boards, especially BETSELECTION! 

And that brings me to my original point.  Hypocrisy and lies!  Oh lord!  Why would a member whom posts super elaborate, all in detail how to beat a game, let's take roulette for instance, (out of the blue), hold on---let me get a good bite of my donut and sip my coffee....................................Okay I am back.  Love those donuts, the best!  Anyway, why in the world would a member post and post and post, and then hustle a member for thousands and thousands of dollars to gamble and partner up and stiff him?  Well, it is a hustler, correct!  A con, a scam.  But then that member comes back on and posts and posts and posts once again like nothing has happened.  Oh lord!  Seriously, and by the way, that member is elaborate and detailed and I must say, quite convincing, kind of reminds me of the warped, sick, jerk-off sinus doctor that ruined so many innocent people life's by drilling holes in their skulls and billing the insurance companies all kinds of elaborate invoicing statements for all the work he did.  And that doctor was an Ivy League extremely knowledgeable and respected surgeon before he started his scam business!

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2011/01/missing-doctor-201101

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2217052/Mark-Weinberger-Fugitive-surgeon-living-tent-snowy-mountain-Italy-gets-seven-years.html


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and this member is elaborate with charts, graphs and all kinds of wall street analogies in his postings every single day, yet he hustled and stole the money from a great innocent member of the message board and ignores paying him back.  Here is my question, with all the info and knowledge the hustling member has (supposedly) why in the world would he not pay back the innocent member he outright stole the money from? 

That is my question. 

I say, the statistics published and known by so many for baccarat are almost, to a certain point worthless at the table.  So the banker has a slight advantage because it made a tad nit more in 1,000,000 shoes or 80,000,000 hands.  So what?  It is not blackjack where an 'XYZ' amount of cards already appearing can and does change the outcome of the remaining hands yet to be dealt, to a certain percentage and statistical odds, etc.  But in baccarat the reality of what is left and the reality of what those 1,000,000 shoes produced by the 'Wizard of Odds' or someone sitting in India, means almost nothing for the 1 or 3 or 5 shoes you will play at the casino for real money in real life. 

Then others will say and it is published countless times on various forums, 'always bet the banker because the banker is favored to win'.  OMG, rubbish to the millionth power.  Go ahead and wager the banker, every hand, and shoe after shoe after shoe.  See what you have left after hundreds of shoes, thousands of shoes, etc. 

Here are some real life statistics that should be known if you want to approach baccarat from the realistic standpoint of the things I talk about, but you still have no way to know if the positive will pop up and reinforce the statistics when you are playing.  Making money, real and larger sums of money at baccarat is about being able to define and wager with the presentments and their logical, possible and forthcoming events from the shoe.  Not from historical or statistical odds published by people that proclaim themselves 'Wizards' and 'Heroes of Websites', etc. 

Here is a sampling of my rationale and what I believe applies more to baccarat than anything else:

20 same occurrences within 20 presentments:  1: 1,049,000
24 same occurrences within 24 presentments:  1: 16,780,000
  8 same occurrences within 8 presentment:   1: 256
  7 same occurrences within 7 presentments:  1: 128
  6 same occurrences within 6 presentments:  1: 64
  5 same occurrences within 5 presentments:  1:32
  4 same occurrences within 4 presentments:  1:16
  3 same occurrences within 3 presentments:  1: 8
  2 same occurrences within 2 presentments:  1: 4
  1 same occurrence  within 1 presentment:  1: 2

Of course, then it gets a little more complicated but still very realistic and the knowledge you can gain and use to rationalize out your wagering is huge:

(For sake of space, I will just throw up a few examples)

   6 same occurrences within 7 presentments:  1: 18.3  (not 183, 18(.)3 that is!

   3 same occurrences in 6 presentments:  1: 3.2  (think B-B-B followed by P-P-P)

There are tons of possibilities, know the percentages of stuff like what I am mentioning.  This will help you rationalize out what is possible and how possible it is. 

Statistics & Variance and Making Money

Real contradictions from a post for people either not understanding or failing to understand the variance the person posting was faced with, will curve the straight ahead baseball that was coming directly at you---to a 180 degree turn.

Because some people work full-time, owns a business, plays only once in a while versus someone that plays full-time, just about every day—does not make either one better or smarter than the other for the simple fact as to their gambling exposure at a real live brick and mortar casino.   

If variance is presented at a table and myself and you are there—we each might interpret and approach that and the forthcoming presentment from the shoe in different ways.  However, it does not mean either of us know more than the other.  The problems seen to arise when the other follows or attempts to adopt what others do successfully when they are prevailing and the player in question, read into what he thought was a variance that failed to actually show up in his perspective and understanding of what variance is.

There is no guarantee in show presentment and anything can happen at any time, period.  The advantage a player has or can have over the casino is to capitalize on a certain section of the shoe—pounce on it—cash out and immediately reset and refresh, which the latter has to be absolutely paramount for the advantage to take place for the player.

I simply love the members on the various message boards that come on and post how they are so successful at playing baccarat in a casino and how they fund their living through a few hours of play every day, etc., and so on.  There was one player claiming to make right at $75.00 an hour with about 200 hours of play over about 9 months of time, always winning of course.  $15,000.00 lump sum, works out to around $ 1,666.00 a month.  I don't know about you or him, but I need somewhere around $3,500.00 to $5,500.00 every single month to pay my 'have to basics' without lump sums that I also have to put aside for other yearly or semi-yearly type of things.  But hey, whatever.  Let me do something here, 6 days at 3 hours a day, 18 hours for the week.  $1,350.00 using the figure a few players have claimed they are successful at, which was $75.00 an hour.  18 multiplied by 4 weeks which would work out to be $5,400.00 a month.  Not bad.  But hey—once again, 3 sold hours, every day, 6 days and 4 weeks a month.  Never losing.  Never giving anything back and losing a buy-in or bank roll, etc.  I know better, 100% better.  You can claim to have huge bankrolls and wager very little and able to absorb and digest hundreds and hundreds of units and still replenishes from the casino and still stroke on and still realize those wins every month.  Okay, let me clear my throat and clear my eyes from all the laughter and feelings that those posts actually do bring me.  The sad part is that people actually believe them and people have no idea whom those people are and what connection they have to why they actually posted those things.  A few names come to mind, but I will refrain from posting those names.

Thousands of hours—with a profit of $50-$100 an hour, hour after hour is one thing, but that will not and cannot happen, religiously and consistently.  Religiously and consistently I said, which means, week after week after week, month after month after month after month, year after year.  Period, I have no tolerance for those that post otherwise, for once they do just about everything else they post is going to lead to something called a book, a system, a link or a website with a monthly membership fee, etc.  Of course other sock puppets and even other 'real' people will provide references and vouching affidavits for them in some cases, all constructively put together in their 'house of cards'.  Kind of like a Dorice Donegan "Dee Dee" Moore and Abraham Shakespeare  (from Florida) type of lottery winner manipulation takeover of a multi-million dollar winner, as a crude comparison, but once their plots are looked in by someone with some kind of vision and outside justice, they are not awfully hard to tear apart.  Same with the gambling boards, links, books, and web-sites for fees. 

As far as luck, inconsistent play, small hits played, huge pounced on wagers that won, etc., etc., someone can do rather well if they actually can control their mind and realize variance or the opposites, always are possible to surface and come about at any time and stay for any length of time as well. 

The common 'misunderstanding' is the games statistics.  Interpreted or misunderstood by the highest majority the wrong way.  Forget the side wagers.  Let's talk about banker and player only.  Yes it is nearly a 50/50 game 'sometimes' and during that 'sometimes' it is a tad bit favorable for the banker over the player.  However, what almost all fail to realize---is the statistics are obtained from a huge amount of hands/shoes, like 500,000, 1,000,000 or 10,000,000, etc.  So when the shoe starts and there is something like a B-P-B-P-BB-PP-BB-PP-B, etc., on the score board, one group of players will believe Banker will be drawn next because of what has been happening and yet—others will believe Player because the current count is 7 Bankers and 6 Players and Players has the greater chance because of the 'equaling out' effect and phenomenon that has to happen at baccarat, etc., etc.   And, since it is not time for a self-correcting event because the score is not overly reflecting one side over the other, their decision is worth the wager because of 'so and so'. 

But, what most all fail to realize is that you are currently only playing a tiny section of a statistical outcome with no guarantee of the order of the actual presentments which will eventually be the variance as well, no matter what they turn out to be.  And, more importantly here is what most baccarat players fail to realize also.  The variance you just witnessed and happened to your instant shoe, will be taking into but changed into another set of variance results for the 20 shoes to be dealt during the next 40 hours at the very same table or the next 50 shoes to be dealt during the next 100 hours as well. 

So, what do you play for—the statistical or the variance?  Most will not admit it, but in reality they do.  And, IMO and experience, that is the largest contributing factor to their casino losses.  The largest downfall is the comparison which players will incorporate into their prediction of what is forthcoming. 

Does it work—yes.  Can it be profitable—yes.  Can it lose—yes.  Can it be wrong with consistency—yes.  Can it be correct with consistency and with longevity 100% of the time—no.  Can it be consistently 100% wrong with longevity—no.  And, that is why the casinos allow scoring, unlimited note taking, providing you with score cards, pens and even multi-thousand dollar score boards.  All to help you keep track and track what should come out.   

So it all boils down to the volatility and the variability of the cards that already appeared as well as the remainder of the cards in the shoe.  Nothing else.  Sorry, nothing hinges on what will happen with the remainder of that shoe in front of you that will be based on the previous shoes at the table or anywhere else, period.  Both of those, the volatility and the variability, will set the deviations and the statistics for that shoe—nothing else.  And, there is no way to accurately know what will happen with certainty unless you are able to calculate every single card remaining and know its order of pending disbursement from that shoe.  All of which will be unknown to you and remain unknown to you in the exact details, even down to the last few cards prior to the red 'end-of-shoe' card. 

However, there are numerous 'key triggers' as well as a better way to play, which can benefit a player if the player has the vision—experience—unclouded thought process—and rationale to identify what is happening and what might happen.  Some will say that luck and guessing would actually have to replace those four things I just mentioned. But, that is not true and I say, with almost four decades of actual brick and mortar casino baccarat play, it is possible, very very possible and doable. 

Cannot edit after already posted within the time frame allowed.  Cites about the security issues, etc. 

Compared to before Victor worked on it once again this time, a larger amount of typos, our program changing (second Guessing what our words typed out should be, etc) and a much larger amount of letters left out of words en if we type them, etc.