Quote from: Albalaha on January 19, 2020, 07:53:46 AM
        That is what I want to know from the admin. How this shoe generated 10x to 30x of bankroll. What was an average person's bankroll etc? Interesting to read.

There were over 10 people playing.  At least 8 of the people did extremely well and yes, between 10 to 30 times their buy-ins.  $1,000.00 to $2,000.00 most.  A few at $500.00 to $800.00 or so.  A couple at the $2,500.00 to $3,000.00 buy-in range.  Like I said, at least one got wiped out and another possibly was even, got frustrated and walked, no better than even.

We all followed the player side heavy in the beginning.  Once again, I have written about just that and posted numerous pictures of B&M boards showing just that, especially in the beginning.  As well the 0-1-2-3 LOW TIES which usually reflects the shoe presentments holding steady, no matter what the shoe was producing.  And it did to a 'T' with that shoe as well.

Most of these people were at $200.00 to $1,000.00 a hand.  Up to Section B, where the 2nd small streak of Players that ended with a Tie, most of us realized right at 12 winning wagers, with a few losses.  I would say, almost all of us were at, as an example, $400.00 and win, next wager would be $800 with the full parlay and win, then put the $400.00 back in the buy-in stack and wager one more time $800.00 to $1,000.00 and win and then back down to whatever each one's level was. 

Another great shot with winning in this shoe was in Section C, we all went for the twos as well.  We got every one of them and when it fell off on the 7th one, we stopped with the twos. 

Most of us hit the F-7 with at least a quarter out there on the 10th and 11th hands,  I have cited and written about F-7s and what I see as their predominant presentments in relation to appearing in certain numbers and because of a heavy or dominant section or streak of Players winning, etc.

F-7 came again mid-way.  I have said so many times reference the F-7 if it is early enough and low ties and Player heavy, etc., 1 or 2 will almost always produce a 3rd.  Likewise, a 3rd with the same situations presenting themselves and turning Banker heavy or equaling out anyways, with generally produce a 4th and 5th.  And we all went heavy on F-7s, right at the end of Section C where the chop started for the 3 times, especially when it went 4 with that first Player presentment that turned into a double Player where that line is in the start of Section D.

Player side had a much larger amount of natural presentments early on and as well, almost every hand that was not a natural for the Player, their 3rd card either brought the Player side up to an 8 or a 9 and if that did not happen and say the Player had a 6, the Banker's 3rd card almost reduced them every single time. It was not a time or two, it was repetitive, we saw it and followed it.  It continued so we followed, huge difference in not predicting, etc., etc.   

We also hit those 2nd line Players heavy and stopped because we saw every single Player natural win would cut to the Bankers side after that second streak of Players that cut with that 2nd tie, some went heavy for just that reason and some wagered Banker with a smaller amount.  Either way, we continued the win.
 

Finally, the camaraderie and the heads played together, old school style, rather than the always wagering for the 'CUT' type of player.  Oh yeah, there was 2 players that continually played for the CUT and one got wiped out and the other walked almost even, everyone else made 10-to-30 fold their buy ins. 

Here was the board almost at the end of the shoe. 

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I tried to edit the picture but the tablet I am on is bad with the colors.  I tired, sorry they are not standing out bright.  Anyway, I circled some of the things we all agreed on at the time.  (I have cruised and read some of the Bac ideas and stories on other sites and they are all of the beginner and fallacy type of wagering to the 1,000,000th power!  We do not play that way and sorry for the non-believers and the constant challengers, but the way to profitably play Bac is more old-school and with risk capital that is a small percentage of one's bankroll as I have defined in another thread, sorry---but that is the only real comfortable and long-term way to capitalize on this game).

Bead Plate.  Look at the plate, I tried to circle the ones we all agreed on and the ones where almost all of our wagers were heavy, positively progressed and we won almost every one of those. 

The first Sections.  9 Bankers Vs. 23 Players.  There were a few people that believe the Bankers will always prevail thought school, just wager Bankers and you will win long term.  Complete horse garbage!  For those that did, they would have been lucky to make up their losses in the remaining Sections.  9 Bankers/23 Players, then onward to 22 Bankers Vs. 14 Players. 

F-7s.  5 Total in this shoe.  Hands 10 and 11.  Back to back.  Notice those were immediately after a Natural 9 Players which most of the time the F-7 does appear after a strong short burst of Players as I have mentioned and wrote about numerous times.  A fact.  3rd F7 was Hand 36 after another Natural Player 9.  4th and 5th F7s.  Amazing, but right there, look.  back to back once again after another Natural Player 9.

LOW TIES 0-1-2-3-4.  I have written about this countless times.  A fact.  Low ties tends to allow the shoe presentments to clump up strong, no matter if the clumping is streaks of repeats, naturals CUT, Chop Chop, 1's and 2's, etc., etc., and so on.  Find the threads and articles I have written, learn and profit. 

There are plenty of other things within this shoe, but you know what, I am going to quote another member here:  "....... I see no progress at all on any of the forums these days towards bettering our chances to win. People either gave up on this or a few are busy in churning old school proven failure ideas. Whenever I come up with some innovation and feel like discussing to members here, I see no progress and it feels like talking to wall here. Other forums have more chit chat but many members are foul-mouth and there is no attempt to control that by admins. This forum is the most disciplined one but apart from the admin himself, asymbac, Victor and myself nobody is even writing a single post for months".

I do feel like I am talking to a wall many times as wall, in fact--greater than 'many times'.  The new school way of high tech, score boarding, CUTS, and all that, etc., etc. and as well, the chastising and humiliation drama with the foul mouth drama queens that is so blatantly obvious as a standard.  Most thought or claimed it was just here, but a short cruise around the internet gambling forums, LOL--pretty much mainstream and almost all the same exact players/members.    

You've said a lot in your last post and quite a bit of it is spot on and completely and brutally the honest truth. A few of the points in it were very individualistic, which is what the game of baccarat actually is, like lots of things in all of our lives.

You have inspired me to write something that I'll get started on tomorrow, which it is currently 4:30 a.m. and I just closed the restaurant about three hours ago and had an intense 3-hour discussion with two very serious long-term baccarat players, that happened to be staying overnight because I've held them so long at the restaurant.

I'll outline it in a separate thread, thanks.

Basic of the Basics

Bank Roll: The Bank Roll a person maintains is, that which he borrows his Buy-ins from.  The Bank Roll is the total group of money that the player has set-aside for gambling. A person can have one or more Bank Rolls for various purposes.  Myself, I have a Bank Roll for Las Vegas or Atlantic City when I go on a destination venture.  I have another Bank Roll for the local area casinos.

Buy In:  The Buy-in is the amount of money the person buys in with for a particular gaming session.  IMO, through experience and knowledge, I would earmark 5% of my Bank Roll for a max Buy-in.  Example.  $10,000.00 Bank Roll would equate to a $500.00 Buy-in.  At times I might go as high as 10% Buy-in, but I do not believe I would ever go higher than that now.

Wins must replenish the Bank Roll and remove the Buy-in from the table and replace the Buy-in into the Bank Roll or at least hold off the table with no re-buying in if the current chip level is lost. 

Buy-ins must be viewed as total risk capital, IMO.  A Buy-in is played until wins are realized or the Buy-in is lost. 

A certain amount of win money has to be pre-determined in the persons mind in order to apply the 1/3rd, 1/3rd, 1/3rd I have written about and preached about.  The willpower, consciousness and non-tilt has to be constantly remembered can come about and avoided or at least be able to realize it/those are present and be able to walk away before the hurt starts.

Positive progressions must be used when the win(s) start. 

Explore and know what my 1 + 4 Side Parlay Wager is and how it is employed and attempted.  It is a powerful and very profitable tool, IMO. 

Know what your real Level & Plateau is.  Realize when you are outside of it and use it to your advantage. 

Example on a good Money Management Method.  Buy-in with $1,000.00.  Get up $2,200.00 in win money.  Total in front of you $3,200.00.  Remove $1,000.00 from the table and secure with no chance to use again.  The remaining $2,200.00 is split up to $700.00, $700.00 and $800.00.  $700.00 is also secured without any chance of re-buying in with that amount.  The second $700.00 is held in reserve for a possible re-buyin amount if you deem desirous.  And the $800.00 is played with as your current Buy-in and stack in order to win additional money and reapply the 1/3rd, 1/3rd, 1/3rd, etc. 

Figures above are examples.    

Yes Lung, Terry Fator is still at The Mirage as far as I know, he has his own theater in the rear of the place.  Also, IMO, the Beatles LOVE show is among the tops of the tops, seen it twice, last time was Asian New Year Week in Feb of 2017 I believe.  The LOVE show has the main theater at The Mirage. 

On a side note, The Mirage was one of the greatest Bac rooms there IMO.  In the rear of the casino they had the Bac room set up with about 15 tables or so up front, the 2 large full 14 seat player/3 dealer tables (old school style where the players were able to hold the shoe and deal the card or choose Macau/Midi style) all the private rooms, the small cashier's counter only for the bac room which was fantastic and easy for everything to transact, etc., then in the back the restrooms, lounges and the hot food snack room, etc.  But I do know they were going to merge that with the regular high-limit room and the larger slot high limit which was right next to it as you were facing the rear--towards the right side. 

I played for years at The Mirage, usually staying at The Bellagio or across at Planet Hollywood and even before it was PH, when it was Aladdin Casino.  PH is Caesar's, so staying at one property and putting time in at any other property could be a problem, although some hosts did not love that, but if you had an old school host and was there a while under his role call, never a problem.  We used to like PH because of the attached 300 store plus all the countless restaurants within the attached shopping mall to the rear of the property.  Their bac action at PH was not the best, only a few tables.  But it is not part of the MGM brand, so it was all good. 

This spring time or summer time I will go as far as to say I can devote one week and I think we should meet in Las Vegas and I'll book the shows and some restaurants and if I can't get a comp for them I will pay for them.

One thing I always do every time I go to Vegas is go to, www.Sunbuggy.Com.

We should set up a week of scheduling and yes I'm posting some pictures.  Let's do this it's time.

Drive ahead, keep going, make yourself happy, take care of your family and your loved ones and watch your health. Keep up all the good work wherever you go.

Although I must say, when I scan the other boards there is lots and lots and lots of drama and all the super active threads are more about soap opera conducted by the drama queens and kings and of a personal nature rather than of the casino nature of any type of value to anyone other than sheer entertainment purposes of watching back alley fights.

Maybe I'm looking in the wrong places, but I do scan the major boards and that's about all I see. I try to focus and sometimes I go sideways and I apologize but I also in some ways like a little social interaction that we used to have. But of course I've explained why people were moderated and which ones were moderated.

But best of luck to you and I look forward to anything you ever want to add.

ALRELAX/Glen.

Nothing to do with systemic scheduling, simplified or statistical wagering.

It is recognizing and capitalizing on what the shoe is presenting. Period.

If you are looking and wagering for a certain event, you are then entering prediction, fallacy and hope, falling complete prey to the casino.

You have to realize you can only capitalize on certain sections that will be defined by certain turning points. You cannot and will not change what is waiting to be presented by applying any type of prediction, vision, statistics or results from testing. And I do mean any form of any of those.

You cannot predict what is going to happen or not happen, you can only assume. However you can wager on the winning side with force and capitalizing extremely quick on being correct. But you can only do this for a short period of time and within a certain section. You cannot and will not continuously do it shoe after shoe or even throughout complete shoes, on any type of near consistent and  frequent basis.

Key Points of Good Money Management Method in Baccarat

First and Foremost.  You have to govern yourself by Levels & Plateaus, that you are in.  Meaning.  Wagering and staying within your own Level and Plateau.  This is a MUST!  Figure it out, find it out, use it to your advantage.  It works.  I have written about it in detail, it is on this board. 

Develop a Bank Roll.  Understand that your Bankroll is different than your Buy-in.  Your Buy-in is a small section of your Bankroll.  Again, part of your Level & Plateau.  But, IMO your Buy-in should be no greater than 10% at the most extreme of your Bankroll. 

Replenish your Bankroll at the earliest possible time, like clockwork, without excuses or exceptions.  None, zero. 

Do not fall into the extremely hurtful, detrimental, not an advantage in the world, etc., belief that you build your Bankroll continually with win money and play larger and larger and greater and greater.  Every single case of that led the Bankroll holder to bust. 

Replenish your Bankroll with win money.  Do not apply all your win money to it.  Use win money for other things outside of Bankroll and gambling, etc. 

Always employ the 1/3rd, 1/3rd, 1/3rd with your win money as I have also written and detailed about. 

Understand that Buy-in is strictly risk capital and you are looking for capitalizing on presentments.  Nothing else.  All personal feelings and scheduled wagers need to be shelved and used extremely sporadic, the exact same as employing beliefs of wagering with or against someone because of what they are doing or not doing with their wagers, etc. 

Employ 1-3-2-6 or 1-3-2-4 or 1-3-4-8 positive progressions, if you are looking to do what the extremely disciplined players proved greater success with over the years, playing a bit more aggressive within shorter term sections, etc.

If you are trying to figure out where you want to go and what you want to be doing in gambling, you can not possibly get there if you do not understand where you are today and what you truly experienced and how it actually happened.

Once you do, than you can use it with advantages. 

The one person I still am looking forward to meeting and playing Bac with is Asym. 

We need to make this happen! 

So many on the internet, make it seem so easy.  Just follow this or that, Stop Loss and a Stop Win, earn so many units a day and you can easily make thousands a week.  Yeah right.  Show it in Black & White, support it with real pictures, documentation and other reality tangibles!  They cannot do that.  Reason why, because they are internet drama queens and thugs, getting their daily kicks or pushing their fabricated system that can offer you no better chance at winning than Hillary does at being the next president of the United States. 

So often, and IMO, more often than not--people stay away from threads on here because a handful of members coming along with all too familiar and disruptive, "could not, never did or will never happen" type of written comments. And then they go into their dialog, reasons, and blatantly hijacking out the thread, with really only one thing in mind.  The insult to the O.P. as well as boasting their status and position they perceive themselves holding within the community, the community on the internet.  For in reality, those very ones I am directing this to, have zip outside of the internet so-called community.  That is their lives, day in and day out. 

Certain people want control, one is through a forum message board.  You have witnessed it right here with 4 to 6 high-profile, A-Alpha Members that were either banned or moderated.  It happens all over, some will say only here on BetSelection, but that is a complete and utter lie.  Look at the other boards, WoV, VMB, and others.  Much larger scale of moderation and attempted control.  Some members outside of the Admin and Owners do manage to hang onto control for extended periods of time, for one reason or another.  The message boards are private concerns with limited public access, obey the rules and stay, if not you will most likely get trespassed and asked to leave.  If you do not leave you will be forced to leave.  No different than your local shopping mall, your local brick and mortar casino, a local restaurant.  No different.  Just here and other message boards, certain A-Alpha circles of members push and push and push and push until the drama starts. 

Like I was saying, a group of members will attempt control to their liking and venture onward the forum from there.  And in every case that control is in the way of insults, talking down to most others, forming a small group of comrades and a few co-conspirators, that will unilaterally support their A-Alpha brother/members.  It happens all over the forums.  That very small group will do whatever it takes to control and gain recognition for, but they do not stop there.  They derail almost all good threads, no matter the interest, content or possibility of further discussion. 

You will notice how most of the threads are taken over by the types I just described.  And the flip side is, the threads these types start, are short winded, generally complicated and not proven, have more gamblers fallacy and drama than those that they actually took over or attempted to take over in most every way.

Good points, bad points, real points, desired points, related or non related to most discussions are all perfectly acceptable. However, the insulting, disruptive business attempted within this board at times (used to be huge amounts) and from other forum boards, as well as harassment of the participants of whatever thread it is, should not be engaged in and IMO, do not belong on this or any other message board.  Drama of most any type will always lead to some type of mayhem.  And that causes ill will, hatred and pursuits that are useless, totally useless, except for the scoreboard of the drama queens that seem to live for just that very thing.  Worthless, but without a doubt, their treasured pursuit in life. 

No matter what, I love my family, my friends, this forum, lots of the members and baccarat.  Sure there are a few other things, but in reality those other things would be a sideways avenue of each of those that I spelled out in the previous sentence. 

To understand Ping, you have to understand a bit about her career she is attempting to get away from.  The one with the Department of Justice (D.O.J.).  There was one terrible event that pushed her over that proverbial line we all attempt to steer clear of.  But she eventually did stumble and stumble huge, right over that line. 

She eventually came back around and realized that she had to get away from the D.O.J. and get on with her life.  She set out with an unprecedented volume of vengeance, resilience and challenge to the organization that could never be stopped by the U.S. Government and any other law enforcement agency worldwide.  In all reality, it was not the D.O.J. that caused her downfall or stumbling over that line, it was an organization that could never, although many tried, to stop it from operating and doing just what they accomplished to Ping.  And Ping knew this and knew it very well.   

She enlisted the toughest, smartest and most knowledgeable people to put new meaning in the phrase, 'Pay-Back'! So sitting there at a baccarat table on the Bankers side and the Players side returns a Natural 8, Ping is focused on what will win, not lose.  And if she losses the hand, you can rest assured she will be on the right side for the next 4 of 5 hands at the bare minimum.

Serious gambling. Rules of the road that will definitely assist you to make those decisions of the bet selections and capitalize on presentments that are presenting themselves. 7 of the best things you can ever research and get into your protocol are:

Realize.
Confront.
Change.
Stop the Pursuit of Endless Chasing.
Recognize.
Abide By.
Total Consciousness of Reality.

Steady and consistent with one or two or three units  and then a stop loss or a stop win, will eventually lead nowhere, except to broke or stopping before even if you have huge willpower traits. But you will never make money if you are staying consistent like I said.

You have to play engaged to realize what it is really about. Play heavy, meaning wager heavy on whatever you are winning at. Again look back to the 7 items I first mentioned, 'don't change and don't realize', now you get what I'm saying?

15 to 25 presentments within a section remember that.

+ 10 heavy would be possible.

10  + 5 units is 50, if that's not a goal I don't know what is?

One or two or three and stop is a Road to Nowhere!  Remember that.

4 + on larger progressed units plus, is the way to go.

So while Ping's money is being counted out, the scene plays over and over in Ping's mind. She could not shake it out. It was always there. It was the one thing that perplexed Ping, with all of her intelligence, experience and education, she could not find any way to rid herself of that one scene, that played over and over and over in her mind. Uncontrollably when that scene would all of a sudden present itself, Ping would just prop head up onto her fists and just let it play through.

She made countless visits to the psychologist on staff at the D.O.J. attempting to find a way to eradicate that scene from its unwelcomed reoccuring appearance. Only to the doctor, would she break down and admit she gets scared thinking about it and also told him it's like someone stealing a piece of your soul and even though the scene is only a vision, a dream, not real, you cannot get that piece of your soul back at least Ping could not.

Suddenly her phone rings only this time Ping answers it and without giving the other person a chance to say anything she lays into the caller, "I can never get it back don't you understand that, I remember that night and it replays itself over and over and over and over in the greatest slow motion detail in my mind. Even if I am awake and conscious, I cannot see anything except that horrible night, that scene. You understand me? I remember my life before that night and I want that back, but I know I can never be that person again because we can't go back in time".

Ping's money is finished being counted out on the table and the dealer says excuse me three times before Ping pays any attention to her. Do you want purple or do you want purple and black what is it you want? Ping tells her, give me 15 in purple and give me four in black and give me one thousand in green.  Tina at the other end of the table said; "Like can we play some cards already"?

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