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#1
Bally's Blog / Re: Whatever happened to Roulette?
November 02, 2023, 10:30:02 AM
Any hardcore roulette enthusiast has likely heard of ''Turbogenius'' I can remember him on forums as way back as 2004. He gets a lot of love and a lot of hate but I respect him for sharing his ideas.

A couple of years ago, he posted a few threads which struck me as a very good way to try and come up with something good. The main premise behind them was repeaters and he produced a chart showing that a lot of the time, the lead numbers would stay in front and that actually, there was a kind of order amongst all the chaos for the most part.

I will show a pic of one of those charts and I am sure most people reading this have probably seen or read about it before.

When you look at the chart, you can see a consistency amongst the top numbers and quite often, you will see the same 3 numbers repeating row after row. (that's what the matches column to the right shows you)

I played around with all this a bit but one of the problems with a game involving 37 numbers is that the variance can still have you waiting a long time for the lead numbers to appear even though they remain on top. The laggards can appear 2/3 times trying to catch up without putting a dent in the top 3 but that's costing you time and money and so it was something I wanted to try and see if I could fix.

#2
Bally's Blog / Whatever happened to Roulette?
November 01, 2023, 10:55:42 PM
Roulette was my first love although I did play a bit of BJ before that. I think around 1990 was the first time I played roulette and I still play it and enjoy it to this day.

Baccarat was never really on the radar for me until Alrelax took over the reigns here and I started reading his posts along with GR8Player and a few others.

I spent years trying to come up with a winning roulette strategy and there were a few times I really thought I had something close to the grail but unfortunately they were not as successful as I hoped and thought they would be. It wasn't through a lack of desire or hard work and I must have spent a small fortune on what were considered the best up to date books and not just your usual Martingale nonsense.

Anyway, I kind of gave in and thought I would put my energy into Baccarat and I am glad I did but I still had a bit of the roulette bug because the ego was telling me not to let it go completely and I have kept searching the last few years.

They are a lot of clever people who write on the forums regarding roulette and it's easy to get sucked in to what sounds plausible or maybe a new way of looking at things but if I had to give a vote to anybody, I would say 'Turbogenius' was the best. His approach seemed logical rather than fanciful and you can replicate a lot of the things he has shown and achieve pretty much the same results.

So I will write up over the next few days my take on something which Turbo laid out and has proved to be more effective than anything else roulette related that I have ever played.

cheers

#3
Bally's Blog / Re: A few shoes and a bit of play!
November 01, 2023, 10:29:21 PM
Here is a pic of the first shoe I played.

#4
Bally's Blog / Re: A few shoes and a bit of play!
November 01, 2023, 10:02:29 PM
Shoe 2 went down like this!

B
PP
BBBBBBBBBBB (that's 11)

There were a further 4 Bankers before it switched over to player.

L WWWWWWW for +5.5 with 1 Banker 6.

It's funny because I just commented up above how a few people were saying the Evolution shoes were streaky. If they were all that streaky, they would be dealing the cards from under a bridge!  :)

#5
Bally's Blog / Re: A few shoes and a bit of play!
November 01, 2023, 09:55:45 PM
I agree with you 8OR9, some players love the streaks and they are great when they happen (which I will show from my 2nd shoe played) but well they undoubtedly happen, I maintain along with you how are we going to read the combinations which appear more and like you say, it's those 3 hand or 4 hand combinations of mixed results.

No doubt that's why some people like to look at the derived roads to try and find a steady supply of whatever it is they are looking for but they are all independent from each other and could really have someone chasing their tail.
#6
Bally's Blog / Re: A few shoes and a bit of play!
November 01, 2023, 04:07:32 PM
Since I can't upload the pics, I will try it manually.

PPPPP
B
P
B
P
BBBBB
PP
B
PP
BB
P
B
PP
BBBBB

My goal is just to stop at +5 for no other reason than keeping a bit of discipline and also because it's a bit taxing on the grey matter and so doing things in short bursts suits me just fine.

WW L WWW L WW L W LL WW LL WW L WW (14 W vs 8 L)

I had 2 Banker 6's in that lot and so had to give them a unit.

A bit of a strange shoe really but everything at least lasted for a hand or two and so it wasn't exactly difficult to navigate.

Run, Chop, Run, Chop (some 2's mixed into the chop) Run. Sometimes there are little sections within sections if you really want to be precise. I think I mentioned before that my sections seem to be a bit shorter than the ones Al show but I put that down to my bet selection.

#7
Bally's Blog / Re: A few shoes and a bit of play!
November 01, 2023, 03:46:47 PM
Thanks Asym,

 You could be right! 'Johno' had a lot of table experience and he said the same thing about Evolution shoes after playing them for a few months. I think he commented that they were very streaky and like you, he noted the shuffling procedures were sloppy.

To be honest though, I don't really care what they throw out. As long as I am reading what's currently happening correctly, I can't really do too much damage and should come out winning a few more than I lose more often than not.

 
#8
Bally's Blog / Re: A few shoes and a bit of play!
October 30, 2023, 10:34:01 PM
Sorry about that, the pics don't seem to want to upload!

#9
Bally's Blog / A few shoes and a bit of play!
October 30, 2023, 10:27:15 PM
Hello,

 I will dedicate this thread to putting up a few shoes from the Evolution Live Casino (Online) and also play a bit as well. I know some of you guys like to test against live shoes as opposed to RNG/Simulators etc..

Here are two from tonight.

#10
What I particularly like about a sections approach depending how I suppose you go about it is that you don't have to bet every hand and you can take the view that less is more. Be like a sniper and be happy in your attempts to catch a couple of units here and there. It's not going to kill your bankroll missing a few and if you are missing too many, then maybe you need to re-evaluate your game anyhow.

I can't remember where I read it or if it was an interview with Steve Wynn or somebody like that but he more or less said ''give me 4 hours of playing time at the tables and they are mine'' and so the inference is that it's probably not a good idea to get too entrenched in the game at any particular one time and that it might be better to take a more 'distant' approach about it all which you can do with the sections.

cheers
#11
Quote from: AsymBacGuy on October 24, 2023, 08:55:35 PMBut suppose the first hands of the shoe are:

B
PP
BBB
P
B
PPPP
B
PP

What are we going to bet at this sequence?

Notice that even at byb and sr road patterns are undetectable, the only decent line is the cr road where there's a constant single/double line.

About what happens next obviously we'll never know.

Out of curiosity in this sequence our algo A got a +3 unit (before vig) and backup algo -1 unit (plus vig).
So it seems that our algos like most those whimsical 'undetectable BR sequences' 

This is what Craig Greiner described as the 'bag of trash' because it's neither one or the other. It's where a good player needs to find a way to navigate through it because obviously we can't just rely on streaks and chops.

One of my favourites is just using a simple S(same) + D(difference) chart alongside the results as they come out.

B
P D
P S
B D
B S
B S
P D
B D
P D
P S
P S
P S
B D
P D
P S

There is a nice little run there of SS, DDD, SSS, DD.

I have always believed it's not what you see but more what you don't see that can bring about your undoing although there is a limit I suppose to what we can handle and still play efficiently without making mistakes.
#12
Baccarat Forum / Re: 3 Events. Comments?
February 19, 2023, 01:00:10 PM
3) A quick one here and  I was thinking about this one the other night. There are so many fantastic shoes that can come your way, that it would be criminal not to be able take advantage of them when the opportunity presents itself. So as a player, you have to accept that treading water or getting behind a few units isn't the time to get gung ho about it, you will likely regret, if not this time, then the next for sure. Admittedly, it can be annoying and frustrating if you are patient and every time you jump in, you lose but someone on these forums once said to pay the price of time and not your bankroll.

cheers
#13
Baccarat Forum / Re: 3 Events. Comments?
February 19, 2023, 12:36:17 PM
2) It's an old cliche but plan your play and play your plan because what else can you do if the gambling gods decide to point their wrath at you for the session.

We all know a session like this is going to come along sooner or later and I suppose we then get to decide whether we want to lose a little or a lot. Im my 20's it was normally lose a lot  :'(
In my 30's I learnt to take a break for a couple of days because the worse thing you can do is go back
 chasing losses if you are in the wrong frame of mind. When focussed and refreshed after a short break, I nearly always recovered the loss.

Now I do try and play to my plan and I am a bit more philosophical about a loss. If you did everything within your power, well, you better just accept it. Cheer yourself up by saying something along the lines of the operation was a success, but the patient died!

To more directly answer your question Al, one thing I have noticed lately is that I tend to take time to warm up in a shoe, I can't really explain that, but many times I am down a handful of units throughout maybe the first 10-15 decisions and then I tend to pick up during hands 20 through to about 60 and that's also when I normally quit a shoe unless I am on a streak and then obviously I am not quitting during that. So a average start isn't a sign of a bad shoe for me, I think it's just me feeling my way and starting to form my thoughts on how the shoe is going. Asym made a good point the other day (I think it was somewhere else) saying that you don't have to bet every hand, so obvious and yet so true. It's ok just to dip your toe in the water for a few bets and see if it's safe to carry on or not. It's rare for me to keep coming up empty handed in these attempts and I will usually latch on to something that will get me moving forward in the shoe.
#14
Baccarat Forum / Re: 3 Events. Comments?
February 19, 2023, 11:56:02 AM
Good questions Al,

 I will try and do one at a time.

1) A lot of the old timers like Renzoni, Lyle Stuart etc.. seem to think 3 of a kind is the start of a streak and when you see 3 in a row, you should go with it and if you were betting the opposite and you don't want to switch over, then stop betting! So fair enough, I can see the thinking and logic behind that.

A question might be how do we interpret streaks. Does a streak have to be something that wins every hand until it stops or can we have a loss in between because that way, you can generate some pretty lengthy winning sequences. One of the shoes you posted the other day went as follows from half way through the shoe...

BBBB
PPP
BBBBBBBBBBBBBB
PPPP
BB
PPPPPPP

That's some heavy duty FTL action going on there. I can jump on these quickly (a couple of hands/spins) as long as I see it's not in some of kind of BBPPBBPP pattern.

Regarding the breakdown of a shoe, I was reading the PowerBaccarat 2 book again last night and he had the avaerages for a shoe although we have to be careful how we use this I suppose because anything can and will happen in the short term.

''The outcomes in the decisions of a typical shoe will likely contain:

21 occurrences of single wins
10 occurrences of double wins
5-6 occurrences of 3 wins in a row
3 occurrences of 4 wins in a row
1 consecutive win streak of 5,6,7,8 or 9''

The reason I mention how do we interpret streaks is because I like to be flexible in my approach.
Let's say I wait for 3 in a row and there are 5-6 occurrences and only 3 of them turn into 4 like the averages above, then I am not going to win anything, not to mention you can be waiting a long time for streaks to appear. I love to take advantage of them when they appear but I don't rely on them because large portions of the shoe can be a bag of trash and how anyone handles them is more of a key aspect IMO.
#15
QuoteWith this incentive I guess I could understand ones reasoning in choosing B slightly more often than P. That is an interesting incentive and do not recall ever seeing this.


Continued Success,

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