Quote from: hexfex82 on August 16, 2017, 08:10:40 PM
Can you explain your Bet Selection? I have no clue...

Thanks

Hex

21 was the 1st number, so 21 is placed at the 7,9,21,31 set. Also at the 1,3,21,29 set.
7 next number at the 7,9,21,31 set & 7,13,23,31 set.
As 7 is now in the lead in the 7,9,21,31 set a 1 chip bet can be placed on each of the four
numbers.
The next number was 23. When placed at each of their sets you will see there is now no
set in the lead
21,7|
7,23|
Whenever there is no leading set, no bets are placed as indicated by | 
As soon as a set is in the lead then place a bet on the leading set.

I have combined the 9 sets of 4 and will try it out when next at the casino.

Using the previous numbers as follows:

There were 21 no bets

BOLD WIN



  21     13     25     31     11     1
   7      30     15      9      31
  23     31     18      6       8
  34     22     26     10      1
   2       4      10     34     21
  30     16     31     19      4
  20      0      20     31     24
  27     30      7      36     36
  28      4      23      1      27
   5      15     30     17     23
  22      1      13      7      25
  13     18      0      28     30



   1 17 19 25     1     25      19     1      17       1      25     1
   2 10 20 22     2     20|     22|   22     10|    20|    10
   3 18 23 32    23    18       18    23     23
   4 12 26 28    28      4        4    26      28       4
   5 15 33 35     5     15       15
   6 14 24 30    30     30      30    30      6       24    30
   7  9  21 31    21|     7|     31    31      7       31      9     31    7    31    21
   8 16 34 36    34     16      34    36      8       36
11 13 27 29    27     13      13    13     11      27
   1  3  21 29    21|     1        1    21       1       1
   2  4  22 32     2     22       22     4       4|       4
   5 14 19 34    34      5|      34   19
   6 16 28 30    30     28|     30   16      30|     30      6    28    30
   7 13 23 31     7|    23|     13|  13       31|   31|     7    23    13  31   31    7    31    23
   8 10 24 26    26     10      10     8       24
   9 11 25 33    25       9      11   25
12 18 20 36   20      18      18   20       36     36
15 17 27 35   27      15      15   17       27

 
 

 
   
 
 

There is another 9 set of 4 numbers, which I rarely use. I have memorised the previous sets, but
not the rarely used one. when the numbers appeared in the last game, I was sure that some active
numbers belonged to a set in the other 9 set.

Trying to use both nine sets at the casino can be problematic, as it is easy to make mistakes. As you
will see I should have used them instead of the original 9 sets.

I will have to rethink about using both sets, as it makes sense to use them in some way.

BOLD WIN


  21     13     25     31     11     1
   7      30     15      9      31     
  23     31     18      6       8
  34     22     26     10      1
   2      4      10      34     21
  30    16      31     19      4
  20      0      20     31     24
  27    30      7      36     36   
  28      4      23      1      27
  5      15      30     17     23
  22     1       13      7      25
  13    18       0      28     30


  1  3  21  29     21|    1    1    1    21    1
  2  4  22  32      2    22|  22   4     4|    4
  5 14 19  34     34     5|  34  19
  6 16 28  30     30   28|  30  16    30|  30    6    28    30
  7 13 23  31      7|  23|  13   13    31   31    7    23    13    31    31    7    31    23
  8 10 24  26     26   10   10    8    24
  9 11 25  33     25    9    11   25
12 18 20  36     20    18  18   20   36    36
15 17 27  35     27    15  15   17   27

Quote from: 8OR9 on August 15, 2017, 11:28:04 PM
If you live near a casino which has the live dealer dealing with the Fusion/Stadium setup with  roulette/blackjack/baccarat............you get a spin every 25 seconds...........so this would be a lot better than playing  on a regular roulette table which takes about 5 minutes for each spin,,,,,,,,,,especially on weekends..

Yes I agree weekends are the worst times to play roulette. I am fortunate, as I can choose the times to go
to the casino. Many casino's here in the UK are open 24 hours so mornings and afternoons it is probably
1 minute for each spin.

Having used this from time to time I thought I would give this a good trial, whenever I go
to the casino. Went yesterday and there was no very active winning set. Most of the sets
appeared about equal. The first bet was a win, but then nothing for sometime. After the
first 7, the set was active, but produced six numbers without a win. It is a strong indication
that the session, is likely to show a loss or a close break even result. I was lucky and got a
break even result of +7 chips.

21     13     25     31     31
  7      30     15      9       8
23     31     18      6       1
34     22     26     10     21
   2      4      10     19      4
30     16     31     31
20      0      20     36
27     30      7       1
28      4      28     17
  5      15     30      7
22      1      13     28
13     18      0      11


  1  17  19  25     1   25   19   1    17     1
  2  10  20  22     2   20|  22|  22| 10  20|    10|
  3  18  23  32    23  18   18   23
  4  12  26  28    28   4     4   26|  28
  5  15  33  35     5   15   15
  6  14  24  30    30  30   30   30    6 
  7   9   21  31    21   7|  31|  31|   7  31|     9|    31    7    31    21
  8  16  34  36    34  16   34   36    8
11 13  27  29    27  13   13|  13   11

Quote from: 8OR9 on August 13, 2017, 02:18:44 AM
Can you give some examples of the vertical line [   and how you can use it to see if sets are equal?

   1    17    19    25      19      19     1     17     17
   2    10    20    22       2 |     2|   20
   3    18    23    32      18|    18|   3 |    32     32
   4    12    26    28      12|     4     28     26
   5    15    33    35      35|    15|   35|   15    33     15     15      5
   6    14    24    30
   7     9     21    31       9      21
   8    16    34    36       8|     16|
  11   13    27    29      29|    11

29|
12|

After 29 place a 4 chip bet on set 11  13  27  29
The result is 12. Now no bet. Wait until one of the sets is in the lead.

18|  No bet
   2|  No bet
35|  No bet
   8|  No bet

   2   The 2 set is in the lead now place a bet
   9   bet
  15  This equals to 2 so no bet
  16| Equals  2| &  15| no bet
  18| Equals  2|     15|   16|  No bet
   3  is in the lead place bet
35| equals 3| no bet
19  no bet
15  set in the lead place bet
19  bet
33 wins and the 5  15  33  35  set becomes very active

I mentioned in the Random Number Solution thread that we are aware of certain actions for example,
being aware of hot numbers and sleepers, but there is much that we are not aware of. On the indicator
board at the casino, they will often display hot and cold numbers. They are happy to give such information,
as they are confident that it will be very difficult to take advantage of it. Surprisingly two of the hot numbers
and two of the cold numbers, may turn out to be a good betting proposition but which ones?

The following are 9 sets, which you would not link in any way, as they appear to be just any random numbers:

  1    17    19    25
  2    10    20    22
  3    18    23    32
  4    12    26    28
  5    15    33    35
  6    14    24    30
  7     9     21    31
  8    16    34    36
11   13    27    29

The 9 sets of 4 numbers will on many occasions become very active. Of course this won't happen all
the time and when using them, it is essential to be aware of what is happening and exit with a break
even result if possible or a small loss, especially if the sets are equal and no set is very active.

I have set out below 2 examples, one where it shows a very active set and the other where it is obvious
to exit, as no set is very active. As a game progresses sets will become equal as indicated by | . No bets
should take place until a set is in the lead of the other sets. In the 2nd example, this strongly shows that
an exit is likely and it is a good indicator, plus placing no bets helps to reduce losses.

Example 1

    1    17    19   25       1    19|   1    25    17
    2    10    20   21     10    22   22     2
    3    18    23   32     18    32    3    32    18    32
    4    12    26   28     28     4|  28    12    12   26    12    4    12    4    28
    5    15    33   35      5    15     5      5
    6    14    24   30     14     6    30
    7     9     21   31     31    7|    7   9   31
    8    16    34   36     36     8    36    16
  11    13    27   29     27    27|  27    11    11   13   29   29    29   29   11    11   13    11

Example 2

   1   17   19   25     25    1    19    19
   2   10   20   22     10    2    10
   3   18   23   32     23
   4   12   26   28      4|  28   26     12    4|    12|
   5   15   33   35     33  33|  35     33   35
   6   14   24   30     14| 30|  24     30   14|    24|     30|
   7    9    21   31     31   9     7      31   21     21        7|
   8   16   34   36     36   34   16
11   13   27   29     29   27   29     11   27     13

The numbers in bold are wins.

I have played this a few times and after a while you get to know when to exit a game and
the  |   is a big help and it's great when a set is very active .

Quote from: Sputnik on August 09, 2017, 06:44:37 PM
I understand this process and would like to ask a question, when you decide to play one straight number and enter the game placing bets, then was is it based upon?
Do you search for a value, like a median value and the number will hit within that median value, is that the process you talking about.

With other words to describe it more clear you define the length of the strike ratio that is different for each number and based upon that process you know what number will hit within certain length or attempts, is that the process?

Cheers

I will think about what you have requested. This is a probability model using spins from an actual roulette wheel.
It is not a roulette system. I use it on pi and other random number projects. It is true I use it at casino's, as it is
the only way of finding out how each of the numbers perform during the distribution of the digits.

As I have explained previously there are a number of rules that have to be adhered to and anyone treating it as
a roulette system will most likely not get the results they hoped for.

It would be necessary for someone to accumulate a number of "process" spins, probably 1500 to 2000. I don't know
if they would match or be very close when they are placed in the various Ranks. Would 2, 24, 18 be the leading
numbers. I would find that very interesting, as I don't know what the outcome would be. In theory they should be
similar to mine.

If I have broken the forum rules by not explaining in detail then I will end this topic. I would like to find a way around
the problem.

Quote from: Albalaha on August 09, 2017, 02:08:11 AM
Dare not play such progressions. You will always win 1 unit till you lose a few thousands.

Unless you can see light at the end of the tunnel.

I found this on another forum

  1      28     28
  2      17     34     62
  3      11     33     95
  4        9     36   131
  5        7     35   166
  6        6     36   202
  7        5     35   237
  8        4     32   269
  9        4     36   305
10        4     40   345
11        3     33   378
12        3     36   414
13        3     39   453
14        2     28   481
15        2     30   511

Quote from: ozon on August 07, 2017, 05:27:13 PM
What are the indicators you choose when choosing numbers?
You can simply describe with the words bet selection.
Is it a complicated process to which you need an algorithm?

If I take 2 as an example I wait until it reaches 80 "process" spins and as it's
parameter is 81/180 the progression starts. Also I record it's Rank status in
relation to the other numbers. I refer to 2, 18, 24 as Advanced numbers. For
some reason they have appeared far more than the other numbers. As a result
they won't reach the progression stage that often, but when the do they take
just a few steps to come in.

The "process" follows a set of rules and a computer program could produce
the same result. The problem with implementing it is there are additional
rules. For example there can only be eight bets from a live casino Table.
It is essential then to move to another Table and place another eight bets.
For an explanation this is difficult. When I developed this I tried various 10,
20 bets per Table etc. it basically fell apart. The "process" somehow selects
the numbers to be placed in particular categories. Why I don't know it's a
complete mystery.

Today I was at a casino and I had to place a bet on 7. This is the most
difficult number, as it has appeared less than all the other numbers. It
has a parameter of 141/240 and I was so pleased it came in on the final
8th bet 64 steps 4 chip bet. Hopefully I won't see it again for a while.

Quote from: Sputnik on August 06, 2017, 03:23:46 PM
On what location on the table do you use the progression for, EC, Dozen, Line, Corner, Street, Split, Single number.
I would like to know so i can test the binomial probability calculation for your progression to see how strong or weak it is.
Also check if the table limits are realistic.

Cheers

Hi Sputnik, the test presumably would be for continuous spins. I use what I referred to in a previous thread as "process" spins.
This produces a completely different probability model. Every number is assigned a parameter. I have set out below a sample,
which shows when the progression starts and when in the progression it won.

Number       Parameter         Number of steps taken to win
    2                81/180               15, 1, 10, 33, 50
   10              101/200               12, 26, 17, 11
    3               101/200               46,  9,   63
  22               101/200               51, 38, 22
  23               121/220               51,
  17                 81/180                3, 57, 13, 7, 30

Of course many numbers don't reach the progression stage, so often there is not much to do
but record the numbers and wait.

 
           

Hi Sputnik, single number. This progression is ideal for my use. I thought I would check out
if there was anything else on the forum so, I could compare it with what I have already.
Thanks

The 100 step progression that I am familiar with is as follows:

1    30    30   
2    15    30       60
3    11    33       93
4     8     32     125
5     7     35     160
6     6     36     196
7     5     35     231
8     4     32     263
9     4     36     299
10    4     40     339
11    3     33     372
12    2     24     396
13    1     13     409

So far I have not found anything on this forum that refers to 100 steps progressions.
If there is anything I would grateful if you could let me know, Thanks.

When presented with a string of random digits human beings naturally try to find patterns,which
is extremely difficult and most times impossible. There are those who say they can "read" random
numbers. It is a fact anything we can do with numbers , a computer can also do, but more
accurately and quicker. Of course there has to be a set of rules for the computer to produce the
required result. In the case of reading random numbers this is highly unlikely.

When the ball travels around the roulette wheel it has to stop on a number between 0 and 36
(00 is not a number). It is often said that the wheel has no memory. We know however that
during a particular session, lets say 10 will appear more often than normal (a hot number).
Perhaps 15 hasn't come in for over 200 spins (a sleeper). So various actions are happening,
some of which we recognize , others we may not be aware of. It is the latter situation, we are
not aware of that could well be the solution to us understanding, what is really happening when
the ball lands on a particular number.

I have come to realize that certain numbers are more favourably placed than others. At first
this may seem absurd. I have used a rule based "process" that will identify random numbers,
which are then placed into a form in such a way, that it will show which numbers are in a
favourable position in the probability distribution of the digits and of course which are in the
worst position. I have really no idea why certain numbers are favourably placed and others in the
worst position. It does not matter how many different Tables in various casino's the outcome
will be the same.

The results show that 18 and 24 are in the most favourable position while 7 and 21 are in the
worst position. The remaining numbers are placed in three Rank categories. After thousands of
spins there appears to be little movement in changing Ranks.

I thought it would be interesting to apply this "process" to pi. Pi is not considered random,
although it is very close to being random, as there are no patterns and the digits go on for
ever. Currently a computer program has calculated 10 trillion digits!! The digits 0, 1 to 9 are
proportionately in the same order of number of digits and therefore gives the appearance that
pi treats each number equally.

I modestly printed out 100,000 digits of pi. I have completed 27,000 digits having applied the
same "process", I use for the roulette wheel. Interestingly it shows 7 is well placed and 8 in the
worst position. This is in contrast to the roulette 7 mentioned previously.

The "process" then does not discriminate when selecting certain numbers, it is all to do with the
distribution of the digits and the probability that occurs at that time.