Just a thought...

Over 150 keen members here.

Goodness knows how many years of playing experience between us, plus high levels of expertise -- not to mention all the testing as well!

So why couldn't we all put our heads together and come up with consistent winning method or strategy we could all merrily use?

Surely there's enough expertise here.

[Or are there already too many egos who think they're right and everybody else is wrong, and the project would be dysfunctional before it even started?

Nah. Surely not! ]


Like I say, just a thought.

I'll go back to the pipe now...and dream on...

With all the tales now being told who knows!! 

Any more ponderings?

Bit sparse!!  Tempus fugit...

Nobody seems to have disagreed with the mathematical arguments in the article.

Do we assume from that everyone agrees with the writer's figures? 

Or do we assume nobody read it right through?

JL wrote:  "I had a feeling of deja vu reading this tale. Im sure I've read it somewhere before."

You can't have, mate. 

I've reproduced two private, UNIQUE emails sent to me by the bloke that had the experience !!

@MG

É OK. Você fez bem.  Seu Inglês é muito melhor do que o meu Português !!


@sqzbox

Although a practising, part-time freelance journalist, and a qualified teacher-of-English-to-migrants in another life, I tend to ignore typos such as lose/loose on this forum for one simple reason.

It's this:    There are members here from many countries. English is not their first language. So they need encouragement and support..

Frankly, they all have my utmost admiration for having the courage to post in an English-speaking forum.

As we both know, English is a cow of a language to speak, let alone write. Consider been/bean...different pronunciations of trough/through/bough...and so on ad nauseum.

So I have to say loose spelling is the least of my worries as a moderator...!! LOL

But I do try to remind folks there's spell checker, even if it's not always easy for them to decide which is the correct option!!

A couple of years ago I had extended correspondence with Hans, a German roulette player.

He spent a lot of time developing what became a "winning bet". From time to time he would update me with progress.

I was never crass enough to ask what the bet was. I took the view if he wanted me to know he would tell me in his own good time.

Sadly, I've lost touch with him -- you'll see why towards the end of this post.

But I've often pondered how he did it... and how he is faring...

For your information here are a couple of the emails between us.


The first email below is from Hans. It might stimulate a forum member to pick up the ball and run with it. (The red bits are my responses)
 
 

At 07:36 PM 16/06/2011
Yes. I have found the solution! I found, through Boolean combinatorics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combinatorics), optimal objects within roulette and have translated the solution into a winning strategy.

I found a complex bet that hits 90% of the time (within the probability space) which is unrivaled in any other game of chance.

As a matter of fact, I have uncovered a class of thousands of these complex objects that hit in the 90% range.

I tried the simplest one and reduced it to a set of rules. Then I put it to the test. It worked!

I had several casinos replace the wheel for suspicion of cheating.

They tried to spin faster, thinking I was using ball ballistics to calculate the landing slot.

The faster they spun the wheel, the more I won. It was pure math that brought the crushing defeat.


BRILLIANT!!!  WELL DONE!!
   
This is all I can say. I fear I am under surveillance and I will be moving to a new place, very soon.
I have been threatened now three times and realize when you take a lot of money from the casino, they will stop you at all measures.

My car was stolen and was found in a lake. My house was burglarized and my computers were smashed.

The night I was with a friend and then left to go to a party, he was robbed on the street and hit on the head.

I feel I was the target but last minute plans saved me. This cannot be a coincidence.

That is dreadful news, Hans. Ganz schrecklich.

I don't know what to say apart from telling you I'm VERY glad you're unharmed.

As you say -- not a coincidence. You must have taken a lot of money from them for this sort of reaction.

I certainly understand you moving to a new place.

At 09:52 PM 21/08/2011

Max,
I am now fully committed to my project. I have sold my flat. Mine auto is fixed (it was pushed into a lake!) but it is sold also.

I sold all of my computers. I have almost nothing of physical value. I quit my job. I told my friends I was going back home to help my sick mother in Sweden, but that was so no one would come looking for me.

I have several Swiss banking accounts but they are mostly anonymous and untraceable.

My ambition is to travel to every major European city that has a casino. I stay there in hotels for maybe a week at the longest. Then I move on the next destination.

After Europe, then comes Asia, then South America, North America, and so then back to Europe. The circuit begins again.

The goal is a simple. I will make, at a hour or two, only 1.000 to 2.500 euro per day and then leave, even spread the winnings at multiple tables.

Don't stay in one place for a long time.

This should be a small amount to the casino and unnoticeable. This will be static to them.

I will live a simple life.

At this rate, I will accumulate five thousand to ten thousand euro per week and funnel it all into the bank accounts.

I repeat this for five days a week, and the math is simple.

I will gain a million euro within two to four years. Here is the truth, do not ever win too much at any one time or place.

The casinos will and can make you disappear. I know because I was threatened and will not become the target ever again.

All my website will be shut down also. E-mail will be shut down by the end of the week. My journey begins next week!

Good luck with everything in life!
///hans

Quote from: Juiced91 on January 04, 2013, 12:14:40 AM
They never said they had the "method". They maybe just agreed that it is possible a winning flat bet exists. So they are saying "yes it exists somewhere" not "I have it and won't say". Well I hope its not the latter.

Hmmm...

The survey question asks: Does a consistent winning FLAT BET already exist?

So if 15 people simply say 'Yes' and no methods are listed here to support the 'yes' then perhaps there's an element of guesswork involved in their answers...or maybe just wishful thinking...!
If that's the case then we're no further ahead. 

Some could be forgiven for asking if the survey has any intrinsic value.  Has it?

Several days later: 

15 YES voters at present.  And not one of them has posted a method for us!!

Why is that, d'you think?

Beats me...

LOL...Bad day at the office, Sam?

It's of no concern  what you think either way.

But to tip a bucket on it without even testing it first ... !! Well, bless ma soul.

You might be surprised (Or, indeed, you might not.)

Thanks, Sam. Glad you enjoyed it.

We all have some psychic capital to some degree. (At some stage we've all thought of someone and they've subsequently rung/knocked on the door/met in the street etc etc. Other examples proliferate if you think about it.)

But it's what we choose to do or don't do with it that's very revealing.

   
• Some choose to ignore it and the capital never increases. (What's the point of having it if it's not used?)
• Some choose to use it and derive some benefit.
• Others choose to develop it further for whatever reason(s).

And, of course, there are those governed purely by their five sense who deny it exists at all in them. 

They take the view if they can't see, smell, taste, touch or hear it then it simply ain't there !! 


Anyway -- back to the article.  You can always have a go at testing the method.

Note well he says it's for where there's a LIVE DEALER. (So not RNG)

Quote from: Gizmotron on January 02, 2013, 11:20:45 PM
It's a better name than I was thinking. It's what it is too. Good name.

Thanks, mate. I appreciate that. 

Presenting this to you in no way implies my acceptance or rejection of the author's ideas.

But it does offer itself to testing...

[Apologies for the layout. Took me ages just to get it to this point! ]


The Worlds Only Professional Roulette Player

Written by Ben Grant

When I was 25 years old I made a living playing poker. It was a much easier game back then, a
few years before it went mainstream and people actually knew how to play before walking into
a casino. Anyone with self-restraint and a quick mind for math could have made a decent living
playing poker in those days. I put in a 40-hour work week and was very strict about keeping a
log that included my playing time, as well as every other statistic imaginable.

I quickly learned that playing poker in Las Vegas was far more profitable than floating back and
forth between the few Ontario casinos that offered the game, so I spent most of my time down
there fleecing wealthy tourists and conventioneers.

I generally played for about seven or eight hours a day, and I always made sure to get at least nine hours of sleep a night,
but that still left me with a lot of time on my hands. I didn't drink, I only danced at gunpoint, and I wasn't going
to spend any of my hard-earned money shopping at marked-up boutiques, so I spent most of
that time wandering through casinos. While milling about one day in the MGM Grand, I decided
to check out the action at a very busy roulette table. That's where I met Harry, the world's only
professional roulette player.

You see, you can't be a professional roulette player – welll not for long, anyway. There isn't a
casino game with worse odds than the North American roulette wheel (except for Caribbean
Stud when the jackpot is under $90,000). Paying out at 35 to 1 with 38 numbers on the table,
the casino holds a 5.26% advantage over the player on every single spin. Unlike blackjack and
other card games, there is no method or skill involved to reduce those odds let alone turn them
in the player's favour.

I stood there watching Harry for hours. Most of the time he didn't put his
chips in play, he just kept them there in front of him, but when he did play, he generally won. I
just figured he was lucky, but I thought I'd ask anyway.

"What's your secret?"

He smiled with the corners of his mouth and responded, "I'm not playing the wheel. I'm playing
the dealer, and the dealer is psychic."  Then he winked.

This didn't make much sense to me. As far as I was aware, a roulette dealer had zero impact
on the results of each spin. Sure he fired the ball around the wheel, but there were so many
thousands of variables in play, even the dealer himself couldn't possibly know where the ball
would end up. Even if he did, he certainly wouldn't announce it to the table. I wouldn't have
though much more of it if it were not for the fact that the next day, while strolling through The
Flamingo, I spotted Harry at the roulette table raking in the chips once again.

He decided to take a break for a while so we headed over to the noodle bar to have a late lunch together.

I looked him up on my next trip to Sin City, and over a steak dinner at Binions, he explained his
secret to me.

He would wait at the table until three consecutive spins missed all of the following
numbers: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 10, 11, 13, 14, 17, 18, 20, 21, 25, 26, 28, 29, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36.

Sometimes it was quite a wait. As soon as this happened, though, his system was on.

What he now had to do was wait until one of the above-mentioned number came up. If a 1-6 or a 31-36
come up, he would play all 12 of those numbers on the next spin.

If a 10, 11, 13, 14, 17, 18, 20, 21, 25, 26, 28, 29 came up, he would play each of those 12 numbers on the next spin.

He maintained that his winning percentage with this method had him at a 4% advantage.

I tried to explain to him that his math made no sense, and that since a wheel has no memory, playing
those combinations still has him at a mathematical 5.26% disadvantage.

"You're right", he said, "the wheel doesn't have a memory, but the dealer does".

He then went on to explain his belief that the dealer, in his subconscious mind, knows exactly
where the ball is going to land on every spin. Further still, under certain circumstances, he
subconsciously influences where the ball is going to land based on his expectation of
probability or regression to the mean.

In other words, when the above-mentioned numbers do not come up for a period of three spins,
the dealer expects for this to be made up, and thus  influences the wheel on consecutive spins.

He added to this that his system didn't work on computer-based roulette programs, that there had to be a live dealer.

He also said that his system worked better when the dealer was unaware of the success he was having. It is for this
reason that he always moved from casino to casino and only played at crowded tables.

I thought this was a cute theory, but at the end of the day I couldn't accept the math. As far as I
was concerned, it had to be luck.

But what if it wasn't luck?

Could a roulette dealer really influence the ball with that degree of accuracy and not even be aware of it?

Is one's subconscious capable of breaking down that many variables? 

The dealer still needs to go through the physical act of spinning the wheel in one direction and launching the ball in the other,
with the precise amount of force and timing to achieve the desired result.

Harry had attributed his success to the dealer's expectations, but what if it was he himself who was unknowingly influencing the ball?

Could it be that the faith he had in his method was so strong that he was willing the ball into the correct slot?

If so, did Harry have a special gift, or could anyone with that much conviction manipulate the ball with that much success?

There is also the possibility that Harry wasn't controlling the ball at all, but rather the dealer.

It had to be luck though, didn't it?

I stopped playing poker for a living at the end of that year. My wife liked the tax-free money I
was making, but that kind of lifestyle as well as the travel back and forth wasn't exactly
conducive to family life, so she convinced me to seek more stable employment.

I said goodbye to Las Vegas and wished my friend Harry the best of luck, believing that the math would
eventually catch up to him.

Last year, my wife and I decided to meet up with some American friends of ours at the Grand
Canyon. My wife had never been to Vegas, and it had been about eight years for me, so I
insisted on staying there for a few days after our Canyon adventure to show her around my old
stomping grounds.

In the last few hours of our vacation, as we wheeled our suitcases through
the maze of the Caesars Palace casino, I spotted a familiar face at the roulette table.

There was Harry, perched behind a stack of purple chips, the world's only professional roulette player,
getting rich betting on the dealer's subconscious tendencies and defying math with every spin
of the wheel.

...ends

That's extraordinarily kind and generous of you to make this available.

Thank you.

A LOT of work just judging by the size of the file !!!


Hopefully the injunction is lifted.

If so, why not consider self-publishing? Monetize all your hard work

There are several sites that will handle that for you -- printing hard copies on demand, handling marketing, sales and so on.

Still in print.

The used price looks a bit better than the new price!!  LOL


http://www.amazon.com/Beat-Casino-Frank-Barstow/dp/0671709593