Thank you for the quick reply.

Hi Ignatus -- Thanks for the system.

Am I the only person that is confused by the bet selection ? Any chance of a sample session showing triggers and bets clearly please ?

Many thanks.

This system could have more merit if you switch the base bets around so that your liability is the current sleeping line. Of course the skill is in determining which line you think will currently sleep long enough to make a profit.


Cheers.

I would like to thank esoito for giving this thread a " nudge " and malcop for the system.

I have just tested a quick 650 live Dublin Bet spins in the tracker and it gave a grand total of + 3 units for both dozens and columns combined. Maybe I've just been unlucky.

I am aware there are tweaks to be done to improve this result such as andrebac's 2 chip stop loss and bet again when paper shows a positive and others but still very disappointing as I really liked the positive vibes I was reading in the thread.

The trends when you get them are decent but they don't seem to happen that often, so with that in mind what do you think about a tracker that incorporates lines as well so that we have 18 sets of 12 numbers to monitor instead of 6,this way we can cherry pick the best trending ones.

Would appreciate other test results/opinions.

Cheers.

Quote from: Turner on June 21, 2014, 05:48:35 PM
Im very interested in Lines as EC's. 146 vs 235 is mathematically identical to R vs B or H vs L


Therefor, there is no advantage other than the fact that there are more opportunities. Say I see a series of 3 and consider a series of 2 or 1 is more likely from a maths point of view, I could play for a change. I could wait 15 spins to see a series of 3 (and, of course, see RRR BBB RRR BBB RRR)
However, there will always be a series of 3 somewhere in the 10 Lines as EC's withing the last 3,4,5,6 spins


Looking at Harry J's nice posts, he makes a nice way to see these without charting, but I can see the opposite too (red comments in his post)...so I am not sure of his method.


having said that, I have tested this extensively and found it better than just stable....with a different approach.


I play 123....I like this ....winning on 2 and recovering on the 3rd. If i have 3 losses in a row, I can leave 18u down (1-1-1, 2-2-2, 3-3-3) or continue to recovery with 2-2-2 until a new high.  This would take 6 losses in a row to lose 54. I haven't seen 6 losses in a row.


You are playing 2-2-2 as normal until your 18 loss is recovered....then continue with 1-1-1


More testing to continue





See, the wheel defiantly shows series of 3 or more, in lines, all the time. In theory, we should always bet the opposite of the trigger. If variance is low, as Harry said, then the chances of 4,5,6,7 series is low too, so betting opposite all the time is preferable.


So there (again, as ever) 2 ways to look at it. Follow the wheel, and when its repeating, bet repeating. But this is the case in both Harrys triggers.
Or, if variance is lower than normal by claim, or design, then variant events are less, so repeating isn't the way to go, because repeating is variant....so bet for change.


Confused...you will be!

Hi Turner --- I too am doing a lot of research in this area. I also am unsure of HarryJ's bet selection but would like to thank him for his contributions to this thread. I can see a potential advantage for playing the last 3 lines when 1 line is sleeping as then you would have 3 lines versus 2 lines in favour of your bet selection,of course it needs a lot of research.

I like your idea of waiting for a run of 3 ( or more possibly as they happen often enough with 12 E/C's being charted ) and then betting for a smaller run of 1 or 2's and will start my own research in this area and let you know.

I also have had an excel tracker coded to record a dominance of singles and series over the past recent spins and am hoping to use this information to filter the runs of 3 bet triggers, you never know there may be an added edge doing this. An example could be lines 124 are showing a dominance for singles , we then have a run of 3 trigger, would there be any advantage in expecting a single to show now as lines 124 are showing singles dominance as opposed to 235 say which are showing a dominance of series. As always lots of research to be done.

Keep up the good work.

Quote from: Gizmotron on May 29, 2014, 05:13:03 PM
" 25 dozens!"

There are six double streets, six table based dozens, three private dozens based on wheel layout, the tens, 0 00 10 20 30, 1 11 21 31, 2 12 22 32, -- 8 18 28, 9 19 29. The Tens are easy to track with the table marquee. The others are tracked with index cards laid out like the charts in my practice software. That software is available here at no charge. It's somewhere around here.

http://betselection.cc/gizmotron/tracking-software-for-practice-real-play/msg5333/#msg5333

Interesting, welcome back Gizmotron and thanks for the information. I have spent a lot of time studying your work, I could see from your previous postings that you were more interested in dozens and the bets that arose from the various set ups so I had an excel tracker made up to track the various dozen combinations; so far mine has 18 based on double streets and columns. I like the idea of the added private dozens and tens etc. and may well make the necessary additions.

Quote from: Drazen on February 07, 2014, 12:04:56 PM
Then this I think might be out of help for you.

All asian handicap stuff as you say, explained

http://www.valuepunter.com/asianhandicap-table.htm

Best of luck

Thank you Drazen will be helpful I'm sure.


Cheers.

Light bulb has just gone on lol. I'm new to all this Asian handicap stuff , thank you all for your help and patience.

Cheers.

Just looked at Ladbrokes exchange and the current " back " odds are 2.42 . I must be looking in the wrong place ?

Cheers.

Quote from: monaco on February 07, 2014, 11:15:57 AM

Hi klw, Dragoner is right, you can get 1.66-1.72ish odds most places (Betfair & Ladbrokes to name 2).


You must be looking at something else (I made the same mistake couple of days ago.)

Hi Monaco -- Don't know what I'm doing wrong , didn't think I was that stupid lol . Betfair clicked on French footie , then league 2 , then Metz / Caen and those are the odds currently displayed , am I cracking up here ?


Cheers.

Hi Dragoner -- Don't have time for screen shots.

I have 2 accounts opened so far , Betfair currently you can back at 2.4 , slightly better than last time and Bet365 2.3 the same as last time.

These are Metz to win AH0 , so if I'm not looking at the right displayed odds am I just unlucky that the 2 accounts I've opened are not particularly generous /

Cheers.

Having trouble ( again ) getting decent odds on the Metz / Caen game later , best I can see is 1.375 so far,they have 1.72 on the web site. Anyone got any suggestions as to where to go for better odds than 1.375 ?

Much appreciated.

Cheers.

Quote from: Eric32 on January 25, 2014, 09:00:57 PM
Hi guys,
I follow a team of tipsters and they have a very professional betting system... And the best is that all their tips are free of charge and verified from Google's server!!! Check here: www.vipbetshop.blogspot.com

Looks excellent and thanks for the info. Eric32.

Looking at today's tip PAOK -1.5 AH , I am already encountering some problems,the odds they are betting at on the site ( 1.87 ) are already gone , the best I can see is on Oddscomparisons at 1.75 and when you click on this you get directed to a Bet365 betting slip offering 1.575 with an AH of -1.25 ! Now I'm fairly new to all this so there might be better odds advertised out there and I just don't have the experience to know where to look but I'm just following the links off the VIP bet shop. The other thing is how many accounts do you have to open to make sure you get the best odds , there are what a hundred book makers out there at least , do I need to open all those ? Getting the right odds is crucial as anybody that bets will know.

Not trying to throw a spanner in the works here but it's not that straight forward. I am very grateful for the information provided by Eric32 and anyone else on this thread,would love to hear how others would do this ?

Many thanks in anticipation,

Cheers.

I happen to think this is a very kind offer with good intentions.

I would say Weddings , why not start out asking for $30 / £'s as this reduces all round risk and increase the sum as results are proven and payments made etc. A test of the water for all if you like and another reason for keeping money / stakes low to start off with is this ; are you ready mentally to handle the jump in stake size and the money you will be dealing with ? You must be honest with yourself on this point as I know from my betting experience that it can change the way you think / react etc. your heart starts pounding , your hands get clammy, you don't think straight because the jump in stake size is just too much, the only way to control this was to come back down in bet size. Is your system mechanical or is there feel / intuition involved , if it's the latter I guarantee you that you will change how you think / bet , unless of course you have encountered all this before in the past and are comfortable with what I have highlighted.

As has been pointed out already , the casinos are not going to just sit there and let you milk them all day , you're going to need more than 2 casinos to rotate through and lots of time to play them.

Please don't think I am trying to put you off, I'm not , just pointing out things that you may need to think of if you already haven't.

Good luck,let's hope you don't need it.

Cheers.

I apologise Turner for this digression of your thread.

Cheers.