OK Back from my shower and you know how thoughts run through your head, and I was thinking how would I play this method on both Dozens & Columns at a B&M Casino.


You see it's my birthday at the end of this month and I'm planning a trip to my local B&M so how could I play this without my tracking sheet?


I came up with this, all you will need is a piece of paper.


First of all a reminder on the groups and how they are formed.


I prefer to use letters instead of numbers.


Group 1: AA, ABA, ACA
Group 2: BB, BAB, BCB
Group 3: CC, CAC, CBC


See bellow how the triggers are formed as a session progresses.

AA G1 trigger.
AAA no new trigger
AAAA now we have another G1 trigger
AAAAB no new trigger
AAAABA now we have another G1 trigger
AAAABAA now we have another G1 trigger
AAAABAAC no new trigger
AAAABAACB no new trigger
AAAABAACBC now we have a G3 trigger
AAAABAACBCB now we have a G2 trigger


So AAAABAACBCB would give us the following triggers

G1, G1, G1, G3 & G2


So for this explanation I will just concentrate on Dozens and you will see how easy it would be to keep track of both at a B&M casino.


As  the groups form you mark them on your paper.


The first group to form is G1


Now what we do is wait for the outcome, we get a C so on our paper we put next to the G1 C. The C will be the bet you will place when the G1 trigger is activated.


This is a few groups with the


G1 C
G3 B
G2 A
G1 ( now we have two G1 triggers we can start to bet look for the last time we had a G1 trigger, it was a C)


That bet lost to an A so we update the last trigger to show that.


G1 C
G3 B
G2 A
G1 A


now we get a new trigger G3,  according to our tracking the last time we had a G3 trigger the outcome directly after that was B, so we place a bet on dozen B and win.


Update your tracking with the last result for group trigger G3



G1 C
G3 B
G2 A
G1 A
G3 B


And keep doing this as your session progresses.


1) Mark new triggers.
2) Look back to the last time that group trigger was active and play the result directly after the trigger.
3) Update the group trigger you just played ready for when you will have to refer to it later on.


Note: you need two of the same trigger before you can place a bet.



It's so simple no stress involved, and would be no problem to keep track of both Dozens & Columns in a B&M casino


Thanks


malcop

Thought I would share with the session I just finished playing this morning.


I played for a total of 190 spins on both Dozens and Columns using the 1 hit per trigger with the triggers split into three groups.


Here is a breakdown on how it played out.


Dozens: High = +3, Lowest -15, End -4
Columns: High = +28,  Lowest -11, End +27


Combined Dozens and Columns: High +24, Lowest -22, End +23


The lowest risk to my session buy-in was -2


At spin 35 I reached +10 this is the point I normally quit the session but it was my first session of the day, so decided I would play on and see how things turn out.


Spin 89 I got to +23 now I'm thinking to myself "Time to quit Philip" but for some reason chose against my better judgment to play on.


From Spin 90 to 145 my balance went all the way down to +1, now I'm thinking "See serves you right, you know better than that should have quit while you was ahead!"


From spin 146 to 189 things turned around and I got back to +24 with a +1 profit from my previous high!, wow I thought 100 extra spins for +1 extra profit    should have just listened to your inner voice!


Anyway played one more spin and a zero came out and at that point I finally got the message QUIT!!!!


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I find playing both Dozens and Columns is the best way to go, in this session the Dozens performed poorly and the Columns were on speed, this I find happens quite a lot, one side compensates for the others poor performance.


Now I'm going to go and have a shower!


Take care all talk soon.


malcop


BTW I have attached the session for anyone interested, the sheet plays for you automatically.  All you have to do is input the spin numbers on the Main Sheet you will be directed when and where to place your bets.

If anyone want's a Blank master sheet just let me know and I will put one up on here.

     

Quote from: Priyanka on August 21, 2013, 07:32:46 AM
It can predict over a period of 12 spins what street will come up. So anytime I get a hit I wait for the street to change and then start over again from there

That makes more sense to me.


Is there any benefit restarting the software as soon as you get a hit forcing it to give you a new street, as opposed to just sitting out the rest of the spins waiting for the next street prediction?

Yanks, Is there a reason the software dose not reset on a successful Street win?


I'm not sure of the thinking betting for twelve spins when for example you got a hit on spin 4.


Surely if you get a hit is that not the goal?  Or are you hoping for repeaters and that is why the software stays on the same street for twelve spins win or lose?

well I did not know it was just for RNG, so was just using old live data from my old sessions, and it looks promising.  Will need to do more thorougher testing.

Will the software say that you entered 87 spins or do you have to keep track your self?  I ask because I entered over 200 spins and it still seemed to be working by giving different streets.

At the moment my preferred play is the turning the 9 triggers into three groups like this:


G1 = 11, 121, 131
G2 = 22, 212, 232
G3 = 33, 313, 323


Fore example you are playing a session and a new G1 trigger is formed you look back to the last G1 trigger and play the result directly after the G1 trigger.


You have two ways of using these triggers one bet win or lose wait for the next valid trigger, or play the result string directly after the trigger and stop playing it if you get a win or a new valid trigger if formed then you start playing that.


Try both and see what way you prefer.


Whenever I finish a session I always go over the session and reply it, so if the session I just played I used the one bet per trigger mode, I then see how it would have turned out if if I had used the continues play for a trigger.  if I used the continues mode I see what would have happened if I had just played for one bet per trigger.


One thing  I noticed is that the difference between the two in end profit is normally 5-10 units.


So continues play you may make 5-10 points more profit but you will place almost twice as many bets in the process.


For example today I played a session on both Dozen & Columns ended it at +10 units, playing one hit per trigger.  Replayed the session with continues play and it would have ended +15   


Thanks


malcop

I noticed 4 other people had downloaded the file so maybe it is something local on your computer, PM me your email address and I will send you the file unzipped.  I had to zip the file because it was too large to attach.

Quote from: Dino246 on August 20, 2013, 07:07:32 AM
Malcop.

Having trouble opening your latest example file,states,dde error/file name could be too long.

Can you help ? !!

Cheers.
Dino.

Good Morning Dino,


I have re-compressed the file and re-attached it, see if you can open it now.


Thanks


malcop

Hi Dino,


I gave up playing RNG a long time ago.


I have attached a session I played tonight, 48 spins ended +17


I played both Dozens & Columns, the session ended Dozens +8 & Columns +9.


This session was played using one bet per trigger and putting the 9 triggers into 3 groups as I have described in earlier posts.

But I also play the other versions I mentioned in my previous posts, for example if only playing for Dozens then I will the method I described at the start of this thread, using either the three triggers or nine triggers put into three groups.


As of yet I'm undecided which way works best because they all have merit.

Understand this method can lose at times just like any other method, but so far for me it has been working out very well, when I came up with this last year I did not stop work on it because it bombed out, it was because I got involved in another project, put mine on the back burner and just forgot about it.


Will it hold up to millions of spins?  I don't know and to tell you the truth I don't care.  If it suddenly stops performing  well for me, and I can't fix it, then I will just stop using it.


I play this about 2 or 3 the times a day and go for 10 - 20 units per session depending on which mode I'm playing.


I'm only risking 20 units per session so a method that can give me back  50% or more of my session buy-in is good enough for me.


Don't get me wrong all methods/systems will lose at some point they have to, but what is more important is when you lose a session it should not be so bad you have wiped out all your hard won profits.


I never let myself get into the position where a few losing sessions could wipe out all my profits.  That is why I mostly play flat-bet or sometimes use a very gentle/flat type of progression.


Thanks


malcop

Hi Atlantis,


I don't normally like progressions, but this one seems very flat.


I might try this out with my Simple Trend Catcher for Dozens & Columns.


Thanks


malcop

Hi Priyanka,


Great introduction to the subject of singles & series it took me while to get to grips with this subject.


I created a spreadsheet to track singles & series so that I could try out different bet selection methods with it.


I really love this subject and keep going back to it from time to time.


Thanks


malcop

Hi Andrebac,


I suggest you try both and see which one you prefer.




Thanks


malcop

Dino,


Thank you for at least trying it out and geting back to me, the more feedback I get the better, then I/We can see what triggers work best with the concept.


At the moment I'm looking at two modes of play.


Mode 1:


Just three triggers 11, 22 & 33


Mode 2:


The 9 triggers split into three groups.


Group 1: 11, 121 & 131
Group 2: 22, 212 & 232
Group 3: 33, 313 & 323


So when working with groups all you do is look back to the last time that group came out, and play accordingly.


The same rule applies you have to wait until a group has appeared for the second time before you can use it.



Thanks


Malcop

Quote from: Dino246 on August 19, 2013, 11:21:12 AM
Hi Malcop.
Interesting concept of yours which i have been playing around with back-testing using past spins from live play in B+M casinos only,looks VERY promising.....thank you.

Dino.

Hi Dino, Out of interest which way are you testing, I put a few different ways of using the triggers.