Merry Christmas and a happy new year to you all.

Yes, best wishes to your mom from me too

Welcome AMK,

This looks great. I will give it a try.

Thanks John,
I had missed that.

Quote from: JohnLegend on December 08, 2012, 09:34:21 AM
Looking over this post Shogun, you were moving way too fast. Here is my advice for BR and win/loss expectations.

1, Your BANKROLL ideally should be 20x7. Meaning in the case of PATTERN BREAKER twenty times the 7 UNITS RISK. That's minumum.

2, If you are maintaining the 20x7 bankroll. For you to reach a point where you are betting 10,20,40. your minumum BR should be 1,400 units.

3, Me personally I have a rule of thumb when it comes to staking for PB. And that is, your overall BANKROLL should be ONE HUNDRED TIMES the size of your minumum stake. So for example if I am staking 2,4,8=14 units risk. My overall BANKROLL ***MUST*** be at least 200 UNITS.

there's no ifs buts or maybes about it. That is the ABSOLUTE MINUMUM. That way when you experience a bad period you arent completely wiped out. SMART MONEY MANAGEMENT is extremely powerful. Using is correctly means even when your method dips below break even point.

Which it will from time to time. You can STILL secure a profit margin. That is why I have no doubt I will succeed with PATTERN BREAKER, for as long as I play it. Its perfectly made to execute smart money management with. The follow up bet is very strong. Meaning 2--4 sevenths of a loss can be recovered very quickly.

When it hits that nice 15 plus winning streak, you pull further into profit. When its behaving badly you bring it back up with the recovery bet. There are many ways you can money-manage this method and still come out in profit. People have to break loose from rigid thinking. 

Hi John,
i have read and understand all the money management posts about PB and totally agree. I had the correct bank roll for the different stakes i played. I have an overall bank roll i use for roulette and its in my bank account. I just use what i need.
I had a bad run, nothing to do with money management but a bad strike rate. I am going to continue as i still have faith. In the grand scale of things i have not played that many games of PB.

I may try just H/L. I am looking forward to hear your new idea with Chauncy47.

Cheers.

Quote from: Chauncy47 on December 07, 2012, 05:48:53 PM
Shogun ... I am sorry that I am not clear on how you bet last bad run you posted "LWLLWL" or perhaps its just me that's been playing wrong this whole time...LOL ...I guess what I am asking is that if you are betting against the last pattern forming, how did you bet  LWLLWL?  I just need some help understanding if you care too explain a bit further.

Hi Chauncy47,

You will notice there are 6 results here LWLLWL. A game for me gives two results as I bet on H/L and O/E. I think I play similar to the pilot. I play one game and I am done (HAR).



So for example I get a trigger on O/E and I am still tracking H/L. I have 3 bets to get my win on O/E. £10 first bet lose, £20 second bet and lose, £40 on third bet and lose. This is the end of progression and a L. I get my trigger on H\L and lose the first bet but win on the second. So this is a W. So this is one game. I am looking to make 2 units profit best case. This game gives me LW in the 6 results I gave. The next game I got LL and the third WL. As you can see all 3 games is a loss in units as a win is 1 unit and a loss is 7 units.

Hope this makes sense 

Quote from: JohnLegend on December 07, 2012, 04:25:20 PM
Theyll know by July next year Shogun. All the methods I now play will be proofed over the long run. Every critic and I mean everyone of them will be shown im for real.

John i wish you all the best with this 

Quote from: JohnLegend on December 07, 2012, 01:38:40 PM
Hi Shogun. Poor patches happen. I've carried a strikerate of 5/1 across 150 games. You are just over break even after 200.

Which for me would still mean a profit overall as I use the recovery bet. I wouldn't give up on it. You can very easily come back up.

As Chauncy requested it would be interesting to see a breakdowm of how you have been betting and staking. I was running at 7/1 on BV. Now im 11/1

After hitting a nice winning streak over 25. Im only playing HIGH LOW. The way I started.

And the way that gave me my best results. that's something to consider too Shogun. Try to think longterm. PATTERN BREAKER isn't like FIVE or 7 On 1, which can run off a 1,000 wins in a row. But at only 7 units to buy in, it was never meant to be bullet proof that's what alot of critics never consider.

it's a grinder, but as Superman will verify for me in the future. If you stay with it faithfully it will show a longterm profit.

Thanks for the advice John. I am sure i hit a bad run. I will have a break and start again.

I am not sure a recovery bet would have helped on my last bad run. As the losses came close together. At one stage i had something like LWLLWL.

I still think you have something with PB John 

Dino: I had 4 losses in which a zero played its part including 1 double loss.

Chauncy47: I bet on H/L and O/E only. When i first started i also played R/B but gave this up as it was running at 5/1. I started betting .10p while i was learning PB. I quickly moved on to £1,£2,£5 and then £10 bets 
So during this last bad run i was betting £10,£20 and £40. I do not do a recovery bet and i was playng HAR.
I have lost some money with PB that is ok we all know the risks. I still have faith but it's a grind.
On a positive note i have got back most of what i lost playing another system 

Quote from: Superman on December 07, 2012, 10:32:19 AM

It takes b@lls to post bad results, well done mate, sorry for your losses, maybe hitting to hard and running to slow, or vica verca

Thanks Superman. I was playing with the hope of making some money but also testing PB. I wanted to post my results good or bad. JL has got a lot of stick about his systems mostly from people who have never played them by his rules.
I will not give up it is still early days but i will play for lower stakes. I want to see my strike rate get back to 10/1. We shall see.

RESULTS UPDATE FOR PATTERN BREAKER 07/12/12

TOTAL GAMES PLAYED 197

TOTAL GAMES WON 173

TOTAL GAMES LOST 24

STRIKERATE 7.21/1

DOUBLE LOSSES 2

TREBLE LOSSES ZERO

LONGEST WINNING STREAK 37



Hi Guys, these are my results for my Playtech live games. I have not been doing well. I moved up in stakes only to see my strike rate fall to 5.46 in the last 84 sessions. Lost all my profit and some. I am going to have a short break from PB.

I think it is ok to debate, Make your point and leave it. It is very tedious reading negative post after negative post about the same thing. It's funny the most negative have not tried PB and yet  they are experts. I say test it as JL described if it works great make some money, if not publish the result of your extensive testing and move on.
I am doing exactly this.
This is a great place for us let's keep it that way.
Just my 2cents 


Moderator's edit:  A great post!!    And a good note to finish on.

RESULTS UPDATE FOR PATTERN BREAKER 25/11/12

TOTAL GAMES PLAYED 164

TOTAL GAMES WON 148

TOTAL GAMES LOST 16

STRIKERATE 9.25/1

DOUBLE LOSSES 1

TREBLE LOSSES ZERO

LONGEST WINNING STREAK 37



Hi Guys, these are my results for my Playtech live games. I had a run of 22 wins just before my double loss. The double loss hurt even more as i had increased my bet to recover from the first loss.
Strikerate is at 9.25/1 and i am still in profit.

RESULTS UPDATE FOR PATTERN BREAKER 25/11/12
BETVOYAGER ONLY.

TOTAL GAMES PLAYED 13

TOTAL GAMES WON 9

TOTAL GAMES LOST 4

STRIKERATE 2.25/1

DOUBLE LOSSES ZERO

TREBLE LOSSES 1

LONGEST WINNING STREAK 6



Hi Guys, these results are for Betvoyager. I will post My playtech live results next.

It is not a good morning for me.
Now had a double loss on live table. My first one. I had increased the second bet to recover quicker.
A treble and a double the same morning 
that's it for today.