Quote from: agesta1 on June 07, 2013, 08:05:20 AM
Please Dane, Twocat and sogget can you add with numbers how you play this system it seems very good but i don´t get it fully,ex how many spins after an x can you wait until you have a trigger for that x.Or am out cycling as we say in sweden when you don´t understand.
Thanks!
agesta

hey agesta
well I'm just testing for now but I play the O's
ie same numbers like dane
18
35
11 -   start betting streets 3,5,7
8 - win, +9 units, start over
19
15 - start betting streets 4,6,8
24 - win, +9 units , total +18 - here would stop cause of 2 fast wins
and so on
later it does lose a game, still thinking of maybe +1/-1 per games, not sure yet
sometimes I bet 2 streets, sometimes 3, sometimes 4
xoxoxoxoxoxo depending what streets hit

so far for me it looks good even this way. The original didn't work well on the spins I tried so I reversed it

make a spreadsheet with numbers 1-12 and put X's above the hit street, when ever you have a possible XOXOX within the next spin I bet O's (so you need 2 X's)
hope it's clearer

@Dane
hope you don't mind me doing it this way

Quote from: GreatGrampa on June 06, 2013, 05:00:02 PM
Sogget, will post some of the further money management rules when I get some more time. Not always we will go to 10th step. I will explain in my later posts. At the moment, assume that we will go to 10th step and then reset, until I explain it.

I thought so 

Quote from: GreatGrampa on June 06, 2013, 02:06:55 PM
I have also posted the spins that Buffalowizard and Turner gave and the way this is played using what I have explained so far. There are couple of things around cyclic progressions, not reaching 10th step of progression always are things, mini games are stuff that I haven't spoken about, but follow it up in further posts. Till then, pls shout if you need to ask anything.

why is the game lost at spin 12 (number 29)? you bet 9 units then - shouldn't it gone 1 more step and you bet 10 units?

Quote from: GreatGrampa on June 05, 2013, 10:33:05 AM
ECs. Either as a primary productive play or as an insurance to straight play.

Used to not anymore. Retired from money making now and taking a well earned break waiting for heaven or hell to break lose. Now it is more of a stuff which I cannot live with as I have been associated with wheels for now close to 30-35 years!

thanks for the reply
if playing the dozens goes this well and they are not your favorite, then playing the EC's must be mindblowingly better?

so you can call it a hobby now?   

looking forward to your posts
regards,
S.

thanks a lot GG for sharing with us

if you don't mind, can I ask something?
you said: "dozens/columns are my least favourite playing position"
what is your favorite playing position then?
I assume you play roulette for a living, yes? (or some other game maybe?)

Quote from: Buffalowizard on June 04, 2013, 03:49:37 PM
Other posters have highlighted that occasionally you will have two grid losses in a row. No three in a row yet, but obviously the time will come when this happens too. Therefore correct MM is necessary for this to have legs.
It is a solid system and I do believe in it but I think it is only part of the way there

I agree
I did a test and had a back to back loss and once a loss win loss
total 4 losses in 170 spins, ended -67 using the marty
the MM is the key (isn't it always) but it is a nice and simple way to play

Dane you are a genius

I reversed your system and the tests look great so far,  got +45 in 50 spins flatbetting - can you believe it
wonder if it is even better on the straighs?
thank you man

by reverse I mean I bet the O's, not the X's
so if I get street 1 and 3 I would bet 2 and 4, if 5 came I would switch to 5 and 6 (cause of the possible 3,5,7) works so far   (but maybe I'm just being lucky?)

EDIT:
did another test, found a loss finally, still ended +21 after 80 spins, was at +34 at 50 spins
after a loss of 12 units I wait for a virtual win

simple marty would be: 1,1,1,1,2,2,3,5
a total of 27 units for 8 steps

just tried a quick test, 54 spins, 6 games, all won, total +18 units
1 game had 5 wins in it    (1,4,6,5,4,6,5,4,6)

the question is what to do when you don't get a hit?

Quote from: GreatGrampa on May 24, 2013, 08:13:42 PM
Cross fire bet selection is a dead give away I guess. Aber rest ist nicht korrect.  To claim the prize you need to tell me the exact progression used, what is the basis behind choosing the dozen and column being played. 

I shall post another free clue soon.  Till then get cracking. 

well we can't see where you put the chips so how can we figure out how you choose them? FTL is my (blind) guess
as for progression +1/-1 is still my bet

from what I gather you are placing two bets every spin, going +1/-1 on both depending on wether you win or lose
dozens/colums are in play here, that's my guess

EDIT: definitely 1 dozen and 1 column are in play, +1/-1 is used
you made a mistake in the beginning and bet 5 units instead of 4?
and then 7 instead of 6? or did I get everything wrong?

Quote from: GreatGrampa on May 22, 2013, 04:13:39 PM
I have never played this system for more than the 2nd stage of d-alembert. But that doesn't mean that it will go beyond it as i always play in live casinos with a mix and match of frameworks. So don't take my words for hte drawdon and big bets. May be Sam will be able to answre this question better as he is botting and sure would have crossed more than 1000 spins  
The reason is because the odds on them are not great for our framework that i have explained so far. We will get more losses than gain cycles. There is a second part where we will go into those territory, which i shall explain when most of us have got our head around this. At the moment i would like to keep it simple

thanks for your answear GG
looking forward to the next step

thank you for this GG
just quick tested it and got +30 in 80 spins 
can you tell us please what was the largest DD you ever had playing this? What was the largest bet per cycle?
thanks again

EDIT:
btw did you try to maybe after the line losses use the streets, then the split and then the single number?
I ask cause I just tested and had a loss cycle, if going to streets and then splits... would have made it out

Quote from: TwoCatSam on May 20, 2013, 03:20:24 PM
soggett

I'm a firm believer in the D'Alembert. 

The Boffins Bet shakes out to be an EC.  Say you lose your first attempt.  Use $1. 

R
R
B
R
B..........here you are down $1

Now go $1.25.....

R
R
B
R
R..........you have won $2.5 minus your $1 loss for a profit of $1.25.  Go back to betting $1.

A person would have to figure out the math to continue the progression.

BEAR IN MIND:  The "Hiccup" factor comes in the play in a greater-than-normal manner using this bet.  You can go up quite and bit and NEVER have to come down to $1 to make a profit.

Trust me on this one.

Or you could use Lank'y's "Six Point Divisor".  I like the D'Alembert.

People will jump on this like a lion on a cabbage!

TwoCat

DNHG

I know, I preffer D'Alembert too
I just went with the authors instructions and his progression, that's all
2000 baccarat decisions, 1 loss, end result +245 units
with original progression i am at +18

if anyone wants to fiddle with progressions - the loss went 16 steps

I modified the progression a bit, it now goes 12 steps with "only" 53 units, the wins are smaller though
1 1 1 2 2 3 4 5 7 7 9 11
so far in 1000 baccarat decisions I am up 143 units, no losses yet, looks interesting

Quote from: TwoCatSam on May 20, 2013, 02:44:51 PM
I tried it on RB only.  Worked pretty well.

I feel there is a way to make it the DNHG if I only had time to think it through.  Then I'd hire Nick to program it.

DNGH=Dang Near Holy Grail

My term; a fee will accrue to all who use it!



Sam

well if you get the time... let us now what you come up with