so basically you wait till you have 4 "oners" or 4 repeated numbers in a row (verticaly or horizontaly doesn't matter) and then bet for the 4 to become 5 in a row? right?
what if you have 2,3,4,5 - will you bet 1 or 6? or both?

wow Senti
I just saw this
you are hitting it pretty good
Do you do this for a living maybe?
thanks for your picks, will check this thread more often

Quote from: VLS on February 17, 2013, 04:44:02 PM
Fair. Let me deliver all the programs I owe prior to the re-install.

does that include mine too?
(still waiting for it )

Quote from: Sputnik on February 04, 2013, 10:12:08 AM
This is one march or algorithm i test as we speak ... even money bets ...

very nice

Quote from: Gizmotron on February 03, 2013, 09:22:13 PM
The only system that I have is to look at what the last spin results were. They confirm the continuation of the trend or pattern. They confirm the possible end to a trend or pattern. From that single bit of information what to do next is configured. I've explained that extensively.

yes, I know Gizmo, but ie I can't find anything from spike
I don't know if he plays the same as you but I really think you two should team up
even if you don't agree on certain things you can make that a good thing

Quote from: rayhd63 on February 04, 2013, 12:28:10 AM
@ sogget


Where could I find it ?!?

Could you just give me a brief idea on  1/ -2 progression ?!?

Ray

you can find it over at rouletteforum.cc
http://www.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=10392.0
that's the link
they have been out long before ignatus system so you can't say i modified them 

sure thing, a good 1 dozen progression
after every loss you raise 1 unit, after every win you drop down 2 units
playing this way a win in the first 5 steps makes you reset to 1
ie
bet1
L  bet 2
L  bet 3
L bet 4
W  reset to 1
so we lost 1+2+3 = 6
and we won on 4 =8
overall +2
(multiplie with 12 numbers offcourse, this is to make it simple)

now lets say it gets hairy
bet 1
L bet 2
L bet 3
L bet4
L bet 5
L bet 6
L bet 7
W bet 5
W reset
overall +3
so we have 2 wins and 6 losses and we are in plus
a string
LLLLLLWLLLWW leaves you +3 and that is 3 wins out of 12, a 25% hit
so you can have less than expected hit rate for 1 dozen ( 12 numbers is 33% expected hit rate) and still be in profit
just be careful, when it gets a really low hit rate it can have large DD's, but it is still better than the usual progression, at least to me
if this betselection gives any kind of advantage then it should be no problem

Quote from: Gizmotron on February 03, 2013, 09:00:24 PM
Spike just had a comment. He said that 90% can't understand my concepts and methods. If that's true then ask questions. Unlike Spike, I'll try to answer them.

well, i have a question for both of you
why don't you get alone? you are very smart, surely you can invent many very good systems together so why not work together?

also how do you both play roulette? what systems do you use or what kind of aproach?
gizmo you use random, patterns and trends if I am right?
what about you spike?

well, you said to ask so...

Quote from: peauke on February 03, 2013, 06:28:58 PM
I have already suggested this progression ( see my test results on the thread ) and it does realy well. In combination with stop after 4 loss may be even better/ safer.

tomorrow i continue to test my actuals

sorry, I must have missed it
yes, i ment with stop after 4 loss
so far in 500 spins max bet was 15 units per number (DD was just under 2000 units) so don't think it will be playable but we will see

Quote from: TwoCatSam on February 03, 2013, 04:29:06 PM
Looking at the wheel in my lap.  Well, a picture..........

Dozen 1 goes clockwise from 0 to 27.
Dozen 2 continues for 12 pockets
Dozen 3 continues for 12 pockets.

So if it hit 1 and then 2 it went a little further.  Hoping it will go further and hit 3.

Hear me now and believe me later:  Breaking the wheel down into cc and ccw spins would help this immensely.  I have software I bought to prove it.

Sam

yep, I agree with you

found your loss on spin 338

18
21
18
25
0
19
5
32
16
1
13
35
4

think about +1/-2 progression, it does really well

Quote from: ignatus on February 02, 2013, 03:12:38 PM
15 
22  Trigger 1,3 - bet 2
15
19
21
31  Stop 
22
15
36 Virtual win Trigger 1,2 - Bet 3
36
19
0
23 Stop

So, progression reach 8th step is not end of the world? progression is 9 steps12 numbers: 1, 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 9, 14, 21

Another progression that can be useful is the +1 progression, it's very effective and last much longer than ordinary progression. +1 bet until hit. (or one hit within the first 4 spins then reset) or else two hits in sequence (4 spins) before reset.

do you want me to search further for a loss?
you have progression
1,2,3,4,6,9,14,21
and
1,1,2,3,4,6,9,14,21
which is it then? sometimes you say one sometimes the other

if this system gives you any kind of advantage I would like to suggest to you to use +1 on a loss and -2 on a win, reset in plus
what do you think?

Quote from: ignatus on February 02, 2013, 02:01:31 PM

Yes, that's correct. Thanks 

ok, then take a look a t DB4000 spin file, its on the other forum
in the first 150 spins your system fails, the whole progression with the virtual loss
here are the losing spins

15
22
15
19
21
31
22
15
36
36
19
0
23 @ Drazen my thoughs exactly

Quote from: ignatus on February 02, 2013, 12:29:38 PM
This is how I play: Stoploss No bet after four losses: (Wait for a virtual win after four losses). All 123 patterns are bet (123,321,231,213,312,132)

progression 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 9, 14, 21  - when you are betting 13 numbers the last 3 steps leave you in minus when you win


Dozen One: 4,6,13,15,17,19,21,25,27,32,34 Split 0/2

Dozen Two: 1,16,20,30 Split 5/8, 10/11, 23/24, 33/36

Dozen Three: 3,7,14,18,22,35 Split 9/12, 26/29, 28/31


13
31  Trigger 1,3 - bet 2
33  W   Trigger 3,2 - bet 1
27  W   Trigger 2,1 - bet 3
29  W   Trigger 1,3 - bet 2
12
9
1    W   Trigger 3,2 - bet 1
13  W   Trigger 2,1 - bet 3
15
1
16
27  Stop
26  Virtual Win  Trigger 1,3 - bet 2
20  W   Trigger 3,2 - bet 1
19  W   Trigger 2,1 - bet 3
28  W   Trigger 1,3 - bet 2
36  W   Trigger 2,3 - bet 1
6    W   Trigger 3,1 - bet 2  - shouldn't here be a bet for 3 as 36 is dozen 2 and 6 is dozen1 ?
29                                      so a win here?
36  W   Trigger 1,2 -bet 3  - here shouldnt we bet dozen 1? 29 is dozen 3 and 36 is dozen 2
13                                       win here?
8
20
8   Stop
8
4
32
4
3   Virtual win  Trigger 2,3 - Bet 1
36
17
4    W   Trigger 3,1 - Bet 2
33  W   Trigger 1,2 - Bet 3
28  W   Trigger 2,3 - Bet 1
25  W   Trigger 3,1 - Bet 2
20  W   Trigger 1,2 - Bet 3
23
10
22 W   Trigger 2,3 - Bet 1
17 W   Trigger 3,1 - Bet 2
16 W   Trigger 1,2 - Bet 3
5
27
25
16  Stop
33 
23 
13
29  Virtual win  Trigger 2,3 - Bet 1
23
6    W   Trigger 3,1 - Bet 2
25
1    W   Trigger 1,2 - Bet 3
17
31  W   Trigger 2,3 - Bet 1
24
5
33
2   W   Trigger 3,1 - Bet 2
3   
13
1   W   Trigger 1,2 - Bet 3
30
29  W   Trigger 2,3 - Bet 1
9
2    W   Trigger 3,1 - Bet 2
16  W   

i get this, is it correct?

Quote from: ignatus on February 02, 2013, 12:51:26 PM

He's playing it another way: only betting for each trigger once I do not recommend this way of playing, because I've seen long losing streaks playing this way.


Better to use stoploss (after 4 losses) and bet for each trigger until hit.

oh, ok, that clears thins up a bit, thanks

ok, but rayhd63 posted this at the other cc forum, why does he have a nobet signal?