Gee, sorry about being so uninformed but we haven't
had online casinos in the US since 2006 and I have no way
to be informed about them. I obviously can't get an
account, so as to my orig question. Is demo mode the
same results in real time as the play for real mode, or
is it different? Demo usually means demonstration mode,
which usually means its recorded outcomes from an earlier
time that they have hand picked for the demo.

Quote from: Bayes on January 31, 2013, 08:02:26 AM
Except that the other method doesn't and can't work reliably,

The one thing you constantly hear about online
casinos from experienced players is, you see things
on a regular basis that you rarely see in actuals
from a real casino. I know I frequently laugh out
loud when I play RNG's f fun at online casinos. I
can make bets in fun mode and I win for awhile, and
then its like somebody throws a switch, I can't win
at all. Its hilarious, its fun mode, at least let me feel
good in practice!

I would love to test BV but I don't have an account
and there is no fun mode. There is a demo mode,
but is that current results or a recording? Demo
usually means its recorded for demonstration purposes.

Quote from: Bayes on January 31, 2013, 06:24:15 AM
it follows that a regular player of RNG could learn those idiosyncrasies and do no worse playing RNG.

If all RNG's were the same. They're not.

Quote from: esoito on January 31, 2013, 12:04:03 AM

Assuming just for a moment BV's randomness control is honest, it sure raises issues about the Playtechs et alia who offer no such controls --

Yeah, those all important controls. I have to go back
to the example of cigarettes. The industry knew people
were nervous about their product making people sick,
so they had actual real doctors lie and say cigarettes
did not cause health problems. The industry identified
a problem and took steps to solve it. It got so out of
hand that congress outlawed the practice eventually.

A casino knows players are worried they're being cheated.
So they cook up a 'random control' and the players are
happy as hell. The casino is delighted, as they use another
method entirely to pick the players pocket.

Magicians do it all the time. Have all your attention directed
to one area, while they do their trick when you're distracted.

Quote from: Bayes on January 30, 2013, 11:14:32 PM
But it would be impossible to make every bet on the table sleep longer than average.

You don't need to. Making some part of the table
sleep longer than normal most of the time is very
different than real random, which has periods when
nothing sleeps for long all the time.

We all know online casinos are doing something. When
they first put the RNG virtual roulette setups in Vegas,
years ago, the old time roulette players very soon declared
them worthless. The casinos laughed at them, saying
nobody can tell the difference. But the guys who'd been
playing for decades could. The outcomes weren't 'right',
they were skewed somehow. They avoided them like the
plague and still do to this day.

If you have a way of playing, and you've been doing it for
a long long time, and it doesn't work the same on an RNG,
what should that tell you. What are they making the RNG
do that a real wheel doesn't do. People want so badly
to believe they can play safely from the security of their
homes, they'll kid themselves all day long that RNG wheels
are as safe as their local casino.

Quote from: Gizmotron on January 29, 2013, 03:47:45 PM


The hash has nothing to do with generating random spin results. Furthermore, There is nobody here that can tell the difference between spins from a modern RNG and the results from a live wheel. I dare anyone to prove they can. Spike says he can.

Yup. Whenever a casino goes out of its way to
use an algorithm to 'protect' its players and
invents carnival tricks like 'Random Control',
you just know they can be trusted. Reminds me
of when doctors were in cigarette ad's in the
40's certifying that smoking was actually healthy
and caused no harm whatsoever. Everybody
believed that was legit too..

When you come up with a method that wins more
than it loses in the short term, you'll be able to
tell the difference too. I'm not holding my breath
that will ever happen. I've been claiming this for
years and I see no difference in the 'modern' RNG
than the ones they used 5 years ago. Sometimes
when I see them in the casino on those giant
virtual roulette setup's, I marvel that I can't win
10 cents on them. Amazing works of modern tech.

Quote from: Ralph on January 28, 2013, 07:41:00 AM

You do not know how the random numbers stream from BV is made. IT IS A PHYSICAL SOURCE!

What physical source? I checked out BV. "In field 3, the player can see the checksum of sequence, computed according to the SHA-256 algorithm."

Algorithm? Randomness Control? Who are they kidding. Everybody, obviously. Did you read their gobblygook explanation of how it works? This is how you get sleeping dozens and massive black dominance. 'Randomness Control'.

I prefer the little ball falling into the pocket.

Quote from: Ralph on January 28, 2013, 07:41:00 AM

You do not know how the random numbers stream from BV is made. IT IS A PHYSICAL SOURCE!
Not any random algoritm!

Or so they say. Trust none of them.

Lol! I call horse pucky. Notice the 3rd dozen is mostly
sleeping. AND it's a black extravaganza? AND its an online
casino? You're looking at an algorithm, ladies and gents.
Too many coincidences. Can I prove it, nope. But like
any good cop, coincidences are for the uninformed.

Believe its real if you like, its your money...

Quote from: JohnLegend on January 26, 2013, 10:33:25 AM
You will be talking until the end. Like me or hate me.

I don't do either. I dismiss you as irrelevant.

Sorry to break it to you..

Quote from: JohnLegend on January 26, 2013, 06:06:02 AM
How would I know? I won't even answer that. The numbers will talk for me this year.

You don't have to wait, they're talking for you already.
Ask Bayes..

Quote from: Bally6354 on January 24, 2013, 09:02:13 AM


My experience on the live casino front is that they will take countermeasures once you start getting ahead and it looks like you are a hard nut to crack.

cheers

Like what? Name some countermeasures.

Quote from: esoito on January 25, 2013, 03:12:17 AM
So at which honest casino are you making all your wonderful profits with your carefully-crafted bets, Spike?

No online casino yet. Looking for the right one.

Quote from: JohnLegend on January 24, 2013, 10:57:43 PM
that's part of their strategy to make you rush and make mistakes.

Duh, ya think? I have an actual method that gives
me an edge, I make unique decisions on very spin.
You trigger happy guys are tailor made for online
casinos. They love you to death..

Quote from: JohnLegend on January 24, 2013, 12:35:11 AM
You don't see anything Spike

Yup, I don't see how moving to another table after
62 spins is hit and run. The average table produces
25 spins an hour. A real table, not some online piece
of stuff. 62 spins is 2 and 1/2 hours worth. Its not
hit and run after that long a time, its more like Snooze
and Crawl..