Quote from: KingsRoulette on December 15, 2012, 05:35:59 AM
How can it decide "in the end"? How will it know I am going to quit now? Do you mean to say that it averages out winnings for all the players?

All it has to do is hit a zero at different times so it averages
out to the machine keeping the house percentage. Not too
complicated. Nowhere does it say its the same as regular
roulette, you won't get the casino or the manufacturer to
talk about it. Again, to review: If you have to fill out an IRS form
on anything over a $1200 win, its classified as a slot machine
and works like one.

Quote from: Robeenhuut on December 15, 2012, 05:17:37 AM
Just a unintelligent luck.

Just the nature of random outcomes.

Quote from: KingsRoulette on December 15, 2012, 04:22:44 AM
U mean to say, it can see our bets and produce the adverse.

Not at all. Its programmed to keep a certain percentage of
the money, just like a slot does. It works just like a slot
does. You can win but in the end it will keep about 7% of
your money.

Quote from: KingsRoulette on December 15, 2012, 04:14:18 AM
Spike,
         You talk a bit bitter but most of the times you speak of sense. Are you sure that airball roulette is always rigged?

Its not rigged anymore than the slots are rigged. That is, to pay
off at a certain percentage for the casino. Which means you can't
get ahead and stay ahead on it.

Quote from: JohnLegend on December 15, 2012, 02:58:29 AM
This is the point to be proven.

But you've already proven the point. You prove it every
time you try and explain it. Its just not the point you're
expecting, that's all. But it's a nice hobby, gives you
something to do. Kind of like a religion where people
wear those cool foil hats and they say things like
'This July, you'll see. You'll all see! You won't be laughing
at me then!"

I understand completely now..

Quote from: ADulay on December 15, 2012, 02:34:33 AM

It's not running on an algorithm.

Uh, sure it is. An algorithm is a program, the same thing that
runs a slot machine. that's why airball pays off jackpots just
like a slot, with an IRS form and a hand pay. it's a slot machine
shaped like a roulette game. that's how the Chicago guys beat
it, they figured out the program and what section the ball was
going to land in next. They kept their win under $1200 and stayed
away from the IRS forms and hand pays. This came as a complete
surprise to the casino, they were assured it was a safe game. Its
not..

Quote from: JohnLegend on December 15, 2012, 12:45:52 AM
RANDOM struggles to produce more than 3 or 4 gaps like this 1--23--32--27--3. Before it MUST then produce a gap

"Random struggles" and "it MUST". Random doesn't do anything
deterministically, it just is. There's a lot I could say at this point
about what you think you have and the amount of actual experience
behind it, but it would have the censors going berzerk, so I won't
bother.

You don't have to attempt to explain anything more, I now know exactly
where you're coming from.

Quote from: JohnLegend on December 15, 2012, 12:31:29 AM
What I am saying is go and see how many times you can count over 30 CONSECUTIVE SPINS. Without seeing a dozen produce a 5 gap or more.

Let me get this straight. You think in every 30
spins, every dozen sleeps for at least 5 in a row.
Is that correct?

Quote from: JohnLegend on December 15, 2012, 12:10:30 AM
Example this is a 5 gap for DOZEN ONE---11--13--24--33--22--12.

A dozen doesn't hit for 5 spins and that's a virtual limit on
random outcomes? How so? Its just a dozen not hitting
for 5 spins, it doesn't mean anything.

How is it a limit on random?

Quote from: JohnLegend on December 14, 2012, 11:47:41 PM
One of randoms VIRTUAL LIMITS. I struggles to keep a dozen under producing a 5 Gap I.E a dozen that hits sleeps for 4 spins then hits again for more than 30 consecutive spins.

"I struggles to keep a dozen producing a 5 gap"

HUH? What on earth does this mean???

"a dozen that hits sleeps for 4 spins than hits again
for more than 30 spins"

And what the heck does THIS mean? Seriously, I
have no idea.

Quote from: ADulay on December 14, 2012, 11:35:07 PM


I would tend to think the casino management has no real reason to "program" the wheel to cheat

Its not cheating anymore than a slot machine cheats.
Having it run on an algorhythm is not cheating, its
perfectly legal. Its just not the same a a random wheel.
And nowhere do they claim its the same as a random
wheel. Ask anybody in that casino and they won't know.
Call the manufacturer (like I have) and they won't talk
to you because you aren't their customer, the casino
is. They'll refer you to the casino, which knows nothing.

But it doesn't matter. If you don't have a winning system,
play the thing, you won't be able to tell the difference.
It will gladly take your money just as fast as a real wheel
does.

Quote from: JohnLegend on December 14, 2012, 11:24:36 PM



I am putting myself on the.line with real working methods. Can you do the same?

By making statements you can't back up? Why would I want to do that?

You just said "random has virtual limits". Like what? Name some
limits, explain what you mean. Why do so many people here love
to make statements they can't back up? They act offended when
you ask them to explain something.

Any statement I make here I will gladly explain till the cows come
home. I never make a statement I can't back up.

Quote from: Bally6354 on December 14, 2012, 10:51:55 PM

Who are most likely to be the victims?

Th victims of variance is anybody who plays close
to 50% or lower. A card counter has an edge of 2-3%
and they have devastating variance. Even the casino is
a victim of variance. They often have months and even
entire quarters where they lose money. Their edge
just isn't high enough to escape occasional negative
variance. The math says its possible for a poker player
to never have a winning session for his entire career!

The only way to escape it is to have a bet selection so
good that you have at least a 20%+ edge over the casino.
And how many people can claim that.

Quote from: JohnLegend on December 14, 2012, 10:54:58 PM
To beat random you don't need it to do anything. You simply need it to be poor at doing something. And a TRIGGER is PURE GOLD when it comes to identifying the start of that.

Not suprizingly, I have no idea what this means. Does anybody?


"Random has VIRTUAL LIMITS. Points it can not pass very often."

Really? Name some limits. Go ahead, you can do it. Right?

"That's exactly what Ill prove by July."

that's what you said about The Zone, and we waited
and waited and we're still waiting. You have a track
record on predictions, you never make good on them.

Quote from: Bayes on December 14, 2012, 09:36:57 AM
Not necessarily. Only if you stubbornly persist when the results are suggesting that the trigger hasn't worked.

The use of the term trigger defeats the explanation of what
random is. It traps you into thinking its something it isn't.
To deal with random effectively, you need to understand
it as well as possible, and that means not trying to make it
do things that aren't possible.