Quote from: Bally6354 on December 14, 2012, 12:01:18 AM


  Did you consider the shift manager was telling you a load of porkies

I heard the story from probably 6 other people
before I found the shift manager. But you're right,
it's a conspiracy, that's why most of the other local
casinos got rid of the IGT airball's. They're just
trying to fool everybody.

Unless you can consistently win more than you lose,
there is no way to test a casino game. I suppose you
could sit there and record thousands of spins, but that
still might not prove anything.

Quote from: Bally6354 on December 13, 2012, 10:56:37 PM


My gut tells me they are above board where I play at least and I am more than happy to play them.

You wouldn't know unless you had a system that won
more than it lost. Because you don't, you have no way
of testing the outcomes. It would have to be substantially
over 50% for you to tell if it was cheating you or not.

I played the airball roulette made by IGT a lot 2 years ago. I never
felt quite right about it. The ball was shot onto the track by air and
the computer could alter the speed of the wheel. One thing that
bothered me was on wins over $1200 it was paid like a slot machine.
A slot attendant gave you IRS paperwork and she paid in cash. Why
was this looked at as a slot if it was random?

Last month I noticed the airball setup was gone from a local casino.
I found the shift manager and asked him why. Keep in mind this is
the shift manager, the guy in the $2000 suit who runs the whole
casino during his shift. He has the final say in everything, this isn't
some flunky floor person I talked to.

He said two guys from Chicago had beaten the airball machine out
of a few hundred thousand dollars a few months before. Apparently
airball isn't random at all, its run by an algorhythm and these guys
had cracked it. No wonder I never felt quite right about it, it was rigged
just like a slot machine is rigged. Consequently they got rid of the
airball as did several local casinos. The ones that kept it lowered the
time to make a bet down to 15 seconds which defeats anybody trying
to beat the program.

So beware of airball roulette, the outcomes are not random, they are
preprogrammed to pay out like a slot machine, which means if you play
your system on them, you aren't getting fair results.

Quote from: JohnLegend on December 13, 2012, 08:28:48 PM
Spike would you care to name these so-called Shills?. Because this is news to me.

Uh Huh. Go here: http://www.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=11347.msg100104;topicseen#msg100104

As you can see, Steve erased most of the evidence when he
deleted Fender's and Fender's shills posts. But you know that,
don't you.

Quote from: Bayes on December 13, 2012, 08:56:05 AM
Well, yes, in a way the last note IS a trigger for the future notes. I sort of get the analogy and understand that you can look at past spins and see the "gestalt", as it were, but it's still a trigger in the sense that you need those past spins in order to make your best guess.

I'm sorry, but no, that's not correct. There is no trigger, no 'aha!', I
have to bet such and such. Just because I need the past spins doesn't
mean a trigger is involved. If you think this can be programmed,  you're
doing something vastly different than me. You have to teach yourself
to think randomly, that's what's happening. Its not 100% accurate, but
that's the beauty of gambling, you only have to be right more often than
wrong. If you can teach a computer to think in a random fashion, more
power to you.

Quote from: Gizmotron on December 13, 2012, 02:44:49 PM
Spike may very well be right. I've done everything I can think of to teach this.

I've asked you in the past, Gizmo, do not equate what
you do with what I do. I let you go on and on, implying
we have some kind of connection, but from what I've
seen we have none. 98% of the time I have no idea
what you're talking about. People constantly refer to
us like we're twins. We are not. that's all your doing, I
have never EVER said 'me and Gizmo this' or 'me and
Gizmo that'. Somewhere along the line you have learned
to talk and sound like me, but you don't have even the
vaguest idea what I do in roulette.

So people, if you think by listening to Gizmo, you're in some
way listening to me, don't be fooled. I don't have any idea
what he does or what he's talking about. All I know is that
when he enters challenges he fails miserably. That should
tell you something about how good his method is.

Quote from: Bayes on December 13, 2012, 08:56:05 AM
it doesn't mean he's a scammer or has shills (where is the evidence for this?).

He admits to being Fender1000 and Fender had
more shills that could be counted. But you're
right, test his system till the cows come home,
idle hands and all that..

I don't use triggers. I have no idea what the next
outcome is, that's why I guess. Using triggers with
random outcomes is a disaster waiting to happen.

I grind. I play till I reach my goal and I leave. I
make the best guess I can on every spin and let
the chips fall where they may.

Quote from: KingsRoulette on December 13, 2012, 06:45:50 AM
.We expect these traits in so-called experts, because they are self-proclaimed experts.

"Nothing can perfectly beat a random session but luck."

Translation:

You mean YOU can't beat a random session except thru luck. Please
don't apply what you do to me. You have no idea what I do when I
play roulette.. Thanks in advance.

Quote from: Gizmotron on December 13, 2012, 06:35:53 AM
Really! I just helped spend six years being deliberately vague and ambiguous.

Like I said, what makes anybody think it's a bad thing.

Quote from: KingsRoulette on December 13, 2012, 06:23:07 AM
      I think this is failure at your part or your concepts are vague and ambiguous.

You say that like vague and ambiguous is a bad thing..

Quote from: KingsRoulette on December 13, 2012, 05:04:14 AM
           In reality, all the "reading randomness" concept and "educated guessing" concept is as much a failure as any other random system is.
             

Dude, as I said, music to my ears. If only you were a
casino consultant, it would be the icing on the cake.
If only every casino had your insight and clarity of
vision.. My hats off to you, sir..

Quote from: KingsRoulette on December 13, 2012, 03:27:20 AM
              no one can make it a game of skill... There can not be an "educated guess"... This is the most uneducated way to handle randomness... You can of course read the past but by no mean take any inference out of those regarding future.

From your mouth to the casinos ear. If only everybody
had your attitude, I would be very happy. This fits
perfectly into my 'never wise up' philosophy. I love it. 

Quote from: Bally6354 on December 12, 2012, 04:27:29 PM
It would be a shame to lose anybody because of a bit of squabbling now and then.

that's what happens when you get too heavy handed with
the moderation. People want to be people and express
themselves, that's why so many countries have free speech
laws now. Freedom of expression is essential for growth.
Otherwise you have one persons or a group of persons
viewpoint running everything and that never works for very
long. Its what breeds revolutions.

Quote from: Bayes on December 12, 2012, 10:04:32 AM
SOMETHING in the past spins determines which way you bet;

Its like listening to music. Is the last note a trigger for the
future notes? When you listen, do you just hear the last
note? Your brain hears all the notes flowing together and
makes sense of them. The past notes make music what it
is, the past outcomes make roulette what it is. I don't see
any triggers, all I see is the flowing and changing of random
and from that I make educated guesses.